Greatest Bargains of all time

mormank · 19-07-2008 04:01AM

Nah i cant believe ole gunnar is being touted here as the best bargain of all time!!! Come on. seriously, grand a bargain but the thread title is best bargain of all time. He doesnt even come close. Just cos people like him doesnt mean he was a bargain.

And santa cruz...pffft.. not a chance either. One season he has had, come on, one season. Toure is a better bargain than him at 150k!!!

weemcd · 19-07-2008 12:32PM

Lot of differing opinion on Solskjaer on this thread.

As a united supporter I feel Ole was a player you couldn't really put a price on or quantify, he brought an extra dimension to united when they needed a shot in the arm, when i look at united now id give anything to have a player the calibur of Solskjaer on the bench dying to get on and do some damage to the opposition (who's gonna do that atm, darren fletcher? michael carrick? I think not.) His ability to change the run of play in such short time periods is not to be sniffed at. When you take into account his versatility in filling the role on the right wing when Beckham was unavailable, even resigning David to the bench on more than one occasion - unthinkable when you think of the perception David Beckham has had over the years, the shirt sales, the transfer fees, captaining Manchester United AND England, undoubtedly the most recognized footballer on the planet! Yet for a time Ole kept him out of the position, there's a special element there that isn't really quantifiable by statistics such as goals per games ratio or how many starts he had...

Considering he must have had offers to go to albeit smaller clubs where he would have been top dog, he didn't, a truly loyal servant to our club in his playing days. Now his career as a player is finished he has taken on an ambassador role for the club touring Asia, managing the reserves and earning his coaching badges.

That's all before you even think about 1999, dragging us from the brink of disappointment to winning the biggest prize in club football, characteristically netting in injury time - a sight United fans were all too familiar with, it might as well have been the dying minutes against a mid table premiership team to avoid a massive upset.

I for one will be going to Colerane VERY early on the 27th, before he kicks off the milk cup to try and catch a glimpse of the man himself.

BARGAIN player if there ever was one.

herbieflowers · 19-07-2008 03:54PM

Cantona was pretty inexpensive iirc

Unearthly · 19-07-2008 04:04PM

How about Sol Campbell? Granted he was given a huge wage but he did contribute a lot towards 2 league titles and the fact he came from their local rivals must make it even sweeter.

Apart from that there are the obvious ones already mentioned

Seaneh · 19-07-2008 05:56PM

Flamini to Milan, not a bean paid, happy out =D

sitout · 21-07-2008 08:25PM

tim cahill to everton from milwall 1.5 million about 3 years ago . case closed.

CHD · 21-07-2008 08:53PM

Kevin Keegan £35,000 from Scunthorpe to Liverpool 230 Apps and 68 Goals
Aldridge £250k Real Sociedad to Tranmere 242 Apps and 138 Goals

iregk · 21-07-2008 09:21PM

I wish people would stop looking at past transfers and bench mark it against todays fee's and quantify that as a bargain. Yes 500k for Kenny Daglish is a Bargain when you think of the 48million Real paid for Zidane but thats not like with like. The Daglish transfer was an English record at the time and possibly a world record also so in my mind that doesn't count. Neither does Ian Rush to Liverpool as that was mega money for a teenager at the time.

Bargains for me is the 300k Chelsea paid for Tore Andre Flo and then sold him to Rangers for 12mil, likewise Anelka.

So if we are talking context to market value i'd have to say Marco Van Basten 1m to Milan. The same summer they also signed Gullit for 8m!!!!

CHD · 21-07-2008 09:22PM

iregk wrote: »

I wish people would stop looking at past transfers and bench mark it against todays fee's and quantify that as a bargain. Yes 500k for Kenny Daglish is a Bargain when you think of the 48million Real paid for Zidane but thats not like with like. The Daglish transfer was an English record at the time and possibly a world record also so in my mind that doesn't count. Neither does Ian Rush to Liverpool as that was mega money for a teenager at the time.

Bargains for me is the 300k Chelsea paid for Tore Andre Flo and then sold him to Rangers for 12mil, likewise Anelka.

So if we are talking context to market value i'd have to say Marco Van Basten 1m to Milan. The same summer they also signed Gullit for 8m!!!!

yeah good shout.

sitout · 21-07-2008 10:05PM

CHD wrote: »

yeah good shout.

+1

sitout · 21-07-2008 10:06PM

6 grannie smiths in tesco today for 49 cents. now thats value!

HashSlinging · 21-07-2008 10:07PM

Vladimír Šmicer to Girondins Bordeaux in the summer of 2005. Free.

gosplan · 21-07-2008 10:28PM

Necronomicon wrote: »

126 goals in 366 appearances isn't a great record? Whether you think he's a great player or not, I don't see how you can't consider that a bargain for the money paid. Solskjaer changed absolutely countless games for United. He must've been a manager's dream, never complaining about having to start on the bench. Even when he was asked to do a job out on the right wing, he completely re-invented himself and pretty much kept Beckham out of the team. After years of rehab and coming back from a career threatening injury (and one that ultimately undid him) he still managed to get 11 goals when United won the Premiership two seasons ago, despite limited playing time and having to retire towards the end of that season. Arguably the most clinical finisher we've ever had, certainly in this generation. How was he not a bargain?

A fringe player, no matter how good they are, is still a fringe player. I don't think you can claim greatest bargain of all time for someone who's first position was on the bench IMO.

Wreck · 21-07-2008 10:33PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Sami Hypia is ... one of the best defenders ever to play in the Premier League

Eh, how are you defining best there? Is it like he is in the top 100 defenders or something? Because he's not even the best defender to play for Liverpool, a team that hasn't even won the premiership. He has been a great servant for the club and plied his trade admirably, but he is in no way one of the greatest defenders to play in the premiership.

On topic, Toure for 150k is unbelievable, considering the way the market was when he signed.

Necronomicon · 21-07-2008 10:46PM

gosplan wrote: »

A fringe player, no matter how good they are, is still a fringe player. I don't think you can claim greatest bargain of all time for someone who's first position was on the bench IMO.

Not to sound pedantic, but the title of the thread is Greatest Bargains of all time. I'm not claiming he's the biggest bargain ever, but he is most certainly a bargain for the impact he made on the club.

Besides, I think it's unfair to call him a fringe player. It's a myth that he scored more goals off the bench, he actually scored more when starting.

HalloweenJack · 21-07-2008 11:53PM

Tim Cahill from Millwall to Everton.

He's worked wonders for them.

Mr Alan · 21-07-2008 11:57PM

Wreck wrote: »

Eh, how are you defining best there? Is it like he is in the top 100 defenders or something? Because he's not even the best defender to play for Liverpool, a team that hasn't even won the premiership. He has been a great servant for the club and plied his trade admirably, but he is in no way one of the greatest defenders to play in the premiership.

well i would disagree very strongly.

I think he is the best defender to play for Liverpool in the last 15-20 years.

Him never having won the premiership is totally irrelevant. He has won every title he can win with Liverpool with that one exception. But i think its highly insulting to write off a player whos honours include;

Winner

* 2001 League Cup
* 2001 FA Cup
* 2001 UEFA Cup
* 2001 Charity Shield
* 2001 European Super Cup
* 2003 League Cup
* 2005 UEFA Champions League
* 2005 European Super Cup
* 2006 FA Cup
* 2006 Community Shield

Runner Up

* 2001–02 FA Premiership
* 2002 Charity Shield
* 2005 League Cup
* 2005 FIFA Club World Championship
* 2007 UEFA Champions League

Wat about LeTissier?Kinkladze?Asprilla?Ginola?Zola? are they not classed as "great players"? their PL trophy haul would certainly indicate they aren't, but yet of course, we know better.

IMO Sami Hypia is in the top tier of defenders in the PL since its inception, right up in the top tier, as in, he'd be in with a good shout of making a PL "best team ever". If you disagree, fair enough but you have to be taking the piss with;

He has been a great servant for the club and plied his trade admirably, but he is in no way one of the greatest defenders to play in the premiership.

That is the kind of thing you'd say about John O'Shea,Lucas Neil and other distinctly average players. Not, imo, a player of Samis calibre.

Frisbee · 22-07-2008 12:09AM

Hyppia is in now way one of the greatest defenders ever to play in the Premiership.
Thats and absolutely farcical statement to make.

Dixon
Adams
Winterburn
Irwin
Stam
Vidic
Ferdinand
Carragher
Evra
Cole
Clichy
Terry

All much better players than him, and most are recent players. Didnt even try to cast my memory too far back...

Mr Alan · 22-07-2008 12:17AM

Frisbee wrote: »

Hyppia is in now way one of the greatest defenders ever to play in the Premiership.
Thats and absolutely farcical statement to make.

Dixonfull back
Adamsis better
Winterburnfull back
Irwinfull back
StamHypia is/was better imo
Vidicone good year, lot to do to be better than Hypia
Ferdinandpossibly, but only really shone imo over the last couple of years, but ok, i'll accept him and hes been very good for a long time and outstanding over the last couple of years
Carraghernope afraid not
Evrafull back
Colefull back
Clichyfull back, and you're obviously having a laugh including him in a list of the best ever anything? so so so so so much to prove
TerryHypia would eat Terry for breakfast, Sami was the far better player

All much better players than him, and most are recent players. Didnt even try to cast my memory too far back...

its not really fair to compare attacking full backs to Sami Hypia tbh.

so you've come up with Adams and Ferdinand, one of which is debatable.

Wreck · 22-07-2008 12:23AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

well i would disagree very strongly.

I think he is the best defender to play for Liverpool in the last 15-20 years.

IMO Sami Hypia is in the top tier of defenders in the PL since its inception, right up in the top tier, as in, he'd be in with a good shout of making a PL "best team ever". If you disagree, fair enough but you have to be taking the piss with;

That is the kind of thing you'd say about John O'Shea,Lucas Neil and other distinctly average players. Not, imo, a player of Samis calibre.

I realise there is little point in arguing as its very unlikely you will change your opinion but here goes anyway.

The claim that Hypia would be even close to a PL 'best ever team' is ludicrous to the point of absurdity. I can list at least ten better central defenders off the top of my head, and I'm not even that knowledgeable about soccer. Hypia ahead of Bruce, Pallister, Ferdinand, Vidic, Staam, Adams, Keown, Campbell, Terry, Carvalho, Desailly, McGrath? I think not. And outside of the cream of the preimership defenders there is a second tier of players who are just as good, if not better than Hypia - players like Gallas, Ledley King, Woodgate, Southgate etc.

I'm astounded that a Liverpool supporter rates Hypia above Carragher, personally I don't think he even comes close.

Having said that, I certainly don't think he is a bad player, and (back on topic for a second) at 2.6 million was certainly value for money.

eZe^ · 22-07-2008 12:26AM

eZe^ wrote: »

Luis Enrique... Signed on a free transfer from Madrid.. Bargain...

73 goals in 200 odd games, in a struggling struggling team... Not bad for a free transfer from your bitter arch rivals.

Mr Alan · 22-07-2008 12:31AM

Wreck wrote: »

and I'm not even that knowledgeable about soccer.

Ah see, this is where our problem is stemming from

Hypia ahead of Bruce, Pallister, Ferdinand, Vidic, Staam, Adams, Keown, Campbell, Terry, Carvalho, Desailly, McGrath? I think not. And outside of the cream of the preimership defenders there is a second tier of players who are just as good, if not better than Hypia - players like Gallas, Ledley King, Woodgate, Southgate etc.

I'd have Hypia ahead of Pallister,Vidic,Stam,Keown,Terry,Carvalho.

and would call it a close call with Bruce,Campbell and Desailly and basically personal preference.

I'm astounded that a Liverpool supporter rates Hypia above Carragher, personally I don't think he even comes close.

In the last couple of years Carra has been better, no doubt, but Hypia is in the twilight of his career.

ah well may as well call it a night.

undeniably a massive massive bargain.

Charlie · 22-07-2008 12:41AM

Lads you can debate defenders all day, but there is only one man ftw, Phillipe Albert!

Smartly Dressed · 22-07-2008 12:58AM

If he continues to improve at his current rate, Gael Clichy at £250,000.

Arguably the best left back in the Premier League, and maybe even the world and he hasn't even won an international cap yet.

DSB · 22-07-2008 01:11AM

I think you're overrating Hyypia a tad there.

~Rebel~ · 22-07-2008 01:19AM

Anyone saying Sami doesn't belong in this thread is nuts. The number of years of service, the importance and size of his impact over the time, and his initial price make it a no brainer. Im not gonna go into who he's better then, but imo he'd have made pretty much every team in the premiership at his peak. Fantastic player, fantastic in the air, fantastic reader of the game, fantastic leader.

meditraitor · 22-07-2008 10:54AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Anyone saying Sami doesn't belong in this thread is nuts. The number of years of service, the importance and size of his impact over the time, and his initial price make it a no brainer. Im not gonna go into who he's better then, but imo he'd have made pretty much every team in the premiership at his peak. Fantastic player, fantastic in the air, fantastic reader of the game, fantastic leader.

+1

semibluff · 22-07-2008 11:35AM

one of THE biggest bargains of all time, i think, surprisingly came in more recent time.

When Chelsea decided to PAY arsenal 15 million to give them a more superior player ( Gallas) in return for taking a troublesome average left back off their hands ( A. Cole)

now thats a bargain beyond belief

event · 22-07-2008 11:44AM

from my clubs perspective, lucas radebe for £250,000

played for 11 years, captained the club and at his very best, was a brilliant defender. A leader on and off the pitch, with his work with FIFA against racism. A legend of a man.

ITT-Pat · 22-07-2008 11:49AM

Mr Alan I too think that you're slightly overrating Hyypia but I think most others are really underrating him. Its true that Hyypia was immense from 00-04, he was a rock.

2005 may have been the start of the decline and its around this time that Carragher really started to emerge with his excellent form. This may co-incide with the timeline of when more people started to pay more attention to Liverpool so maybe thats why people are prefer Carragher

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