[27th/28th June] IPSC Level III - U.K.Open

Bananaman · 03-05-2008 07:18AM #1

The U.K. Open is being held up north this June.

http://www.kellsrpc.com/ipsc/uk_open.php

A few champions are on the roster now including the current world champion Eric Grauffel. Saul Kirsch is shooting aswell which should make a for a good match.

Greg Midgeley is registered aswell which puts a dent in my plans for the first Irish Gold in standard

(then again I could just be giving them a false sense of security - my Glock can take his CZ)

B'Man

Double-Alpha · 03-05-2008 12:10PM

"puts a dent in my plans for the first Irish Gold in standard"

Hey B'man, I think everyone else in standard is pitching for that first Irish Gold, you will have to get in line behind the rest of us..........:D:D

Bananaman · 12-06-2008 04:27PM

Kells, Co. Antrim

http://www.kellsrpc.com

Bananaman · 28-06-2008 11:31PM

Congratulations to the Kells RPC for a very well run match.

Great Stages - I had a couple of great days shooting - unfortunately the targets did not take part in most of it :-)

Looking forward to the next one.

B'Man

packas · 29-06-2008 01:48AM

Bananaman wrote: »

Congratulations to the Kells RPC for a very well run match.

Great Stages - I had a couple of great days shooting - unfortunately the targets did not take part in most of it :-)

Looking forward to the next one.

B'Man

Agreed B'man. Congrats to Alex & all the crew for a well run match. For me I had far too many misses & penalty targets. Time to start practicing again from the beginning the basics i.e. shoot as fast as you can hit alpha's. Simple concept but once the buzzer goes it's amazing how quick you forget those basic statements "shoot alpha's"

role on the selection shoots for Euro 2010 & the IPSA level III for next year.

Bananaman · 29-06-2008 07:59AM

I had far too many misses also. They were very challenging stages with the majority of targets at 15 metres +.

One of the stages on day one was particularly difficult where you had to shoot through two apertures each of which were from the floor to just above knee height and the targets were out between 15 and 20 metres.

I saw Saul Kirsch and later Eric Grauffel shoot this. I was most interested to see Saul shoot it as he is a foot taller than me. He just sat down onto his foot and let rip. Very impressive. Eric is bit shorter - ~ same height as me but a mite more pliable so he just did something gymnastic which I will not be repeating anytime soon :-)

It took me 14 seconds for the 12 shots and I had three total misses.
The rest half and half Alphas and Charlies.

It took Eric 6 seconds for 12 Alphas.

My best stage was on day two where there was a long stage on the outdoor range with 32 shots from four shooting posiitions, fairly far apart, including a swinging target.

I did that in 32 seconds, includng three reloads and had 22 alphas and 10 charlies (two in the moving targets). I had to take two extra shots aswell on the "haunted popper" so should have had a time under 30 seconds.

Saul did it in something like 15 seconds.

So, I was not at all happy with my own performance but any day you can spend on the range with the best in the world (who are in full practice for the World shoot in October) where you are seeing, first hand, how it should be done, is a good day on the range. Not only were Eric and Saul there but Angus Hobdell and also quite a few of the European STI team. I actually didn't get to see Angus shoot but I would like to thank him for all the advice he gave to myself and others on our off-range duties at Level III shoots :-).

It has to be said that I witnesssed some fantastic shooting from a few of our own aswell.

As Packas said though, we're all going to have to knuckle down and put in some real practice to tie down the basics (My crouched and strong hand shooting was brutal).

I'm away to Lithuania for their Level III Open on Friday so I dunno about the rest of you but I think I'll be heading to the range now and spend the day with my left hand in my arse pocket :-)

B'Man

Rosahane · 29-06-2008 09:02AM

+1 on all the above, praise for the organisation and officials

...similarly on the misses and penalties unfortunately:(

They did a great job in running the shoot and amazingly, given the weather, managed to keep pretty much to the schedule, so we started and finished on time both days

I even had confirmation that my god fearing, clean living lifestyle is paying off as on Friday in the outdoor stages the rain stopped when I was shooting:p

It fairly p11sed down on some others but we know what their morals are like;)

Bananaman · 29-06-2008 11:11AM

Seeing as we were expecting very bad weather it was not too bad.

My Squad had some bad stuff for our stages on the outdoor range for day one in the afternoon but thankfully had no rain on the morning of day two.

I was first up from our Squad on Day one and it lashed on me. I was Booted and Suited for it but the flash of steam off the firearm was a bit of a surprise when I took the first shot.

This is Practical and thems the breaks - it's never fun to shoot in the rain - I'd done it once before - ironically in July Last year - but the real stress is on the match organisers as it slows down the progress and the targets, patches and scoresheets suffer, however, the guys in Kells were well ready for it with loads of standy targets, very good "tents" for the scoresheets - must get some of those, etc. Regardless of the weather they kept it right on track. The all weather surface on the outdoor range performed very well with no water or muck underfoot for your magazines to fall into.

One of the aspects of "practical" shooting is that you have to take the rough with the smooth and perform, regardless of the conditions of the weather. I just have to try to make my own conditon a bit more reliable or predicatble for the next one :-)

B'Man

Double-Alpha · 29-06-2008 12:08PM

Lads,
Will the results of the UK Open be posted on the IPSA websiteor where ??

I would have loved to have seen it, even just a few of the stages, but alas, it was a bit far to travel.

I heard that the IPSA regional director and one other IPSA RO were officiating on some of the stages for the whole of the match. The same RO guys all the time, do they ever get a break and do they ever get to shoot themselves !!

Bye the way, B’man, what kind of measuring tape do you use “I was most interested to see Saul shoot it as he is a foot taller than me.”

:D:D:D

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Mr Mole · 29-06-2008 12:19PM

I will begin by going through the "woe is me" part of this posting. Yes, I was DQ'd (disqualified) at the UK Open.

I am relatively new to the sport of practical pistol, and have shot a few level 2 competitions this year. On day one of the UK Open, I shot six stages, and was very happy with my performance on two of them in particular. The first stage on day two was also ok, but I met misfortune on the next. Regretfully, I could not then shoot the remaining stages.

Its very easy to find someone to blame, but there is only one person to blame....ME! Even though I might think the decision was marginal, the rules are not. Take it like getting penalty points on your Driving Licence for driving 5 KPH over the limit. The law applies the very same.

While I was a bit "gutted" I had the support and commiserations of some great colleagues, and I had the pleasure of watching them shoot to the final stage of the competition.

From my experience, I can only say to everyone,

Respect the decision of the RO.
Know the rules and appeals procedures applicable.
Move on and get over it!
Practice, enjoy the sport, and learn from your mistakes!

Mr Mole.:)

V Bull · 29-06-2008 04:46PM

Well said Mr Mole and more importantly, you haven’t gone off in a huff and blamed others or your gun.

It’s a harsh and blunt lesson learned by you and taken in the spirit of a true sportsman. Lesson learned and experience gained.

No doubt we will all see you again at the next IPSA organised shoot.

In answer to Double Alpha’s question, Yes, I am told that there were actually 4 Irish IPSA Range Officers helping out in the UK Open but only one for the whole period of the shoot and Yes, they did get time to shoot in the Pre Match which was held on Thursday.

Well done all involved...............:)

Rosahane · 29-06-2008 04:49PM

http://www.kellsrpc.com/ipsc/uko_results/kellsrpc01_12.htm

Unfortunately all the misses put me in midfield:o

... still it was great fun. Well done to organisers, officials and compeditors:)

V Bull · 29-06-2008 08:02PM

Yes,

the score line and positions for the IPSA guys are getting better & better, here is the link to the overall final result and the individual Stages can be clicked on at the bottom of the link page.

http://www.kellsrpc.com/ipsc/uko_results/kellsrpc01_mt.htm

The Usual Suspects feature very well indeed.....:cool::cool:

Well done all..................

Double-Alpha · 29-06-2008 08:30PM

+1

Very well done

Two people finishing in the top ten in both the Production & Standard Divisions is fantastic, and one of them being a Senior Shooter, a great result and just missed out with a top ten finish in Open

29-06-2008 09:12PM

Congrats to the lads at Hilltop who as usual, represented the club very well, both on Saturday - and Friday night, if reports are to be believed!

V Bull · 29-06-2008 09:20PM

Hey, Double Alpha, just thinking, here is an interesting link for you and for all the other readers, goes by your own name sake.

www.doublealpha.biz

It is Saul Kirsch’s website, keep checking it out from time to time, he usually writes a report on some of the Practical Pistol matches that he attends, so hopefully he will do one on the UK Open and give us all more of an insight into the event.

You will find the Match Report link on the left hand side of the home page……..happy reading…..

:cool::cool:

packas · 30-06-2008 08:05AM

Mr Mole wrote: »

I will begin by going through the "woe is me" part of this posting. Yes, I was DQ'd (disqualified) at the UK Open.

I am relatively new to the sport of practical pistol, and have shot a few level 2 competitions this year. On day one of the UK Open, I shot six stages, and was very happy with my performance on two of them in particular. The first stage on day two was also ok, but I met misfortune on the next. Regretfully, I could not then shoot the remaining stages.

Its very easy to find someone to blame, but there is only one person to blame....ME! Even though I might think the decision was marginal, the rules are not. Take it like getting penalty points on your Driving Licence for driving 5 KPH over the limit. The law applies the very same.

While I was a bit "gutted" I had the support and commiserations of some great colleagues, and I had the pleasure of watching them shoot to the final stage of the competition.

From my experience, I can only say to everyone,

Respect the decision of the RO.

Know the rules and appeals procedures applicable.

Move on and get over it!

Practice, enjoy the sport, and learn from your mistakes!

Mr Mole.:)

Mr Mole,
Congrats on the attitude. Too many times do you see so called sportsmen blame other people for the DQ. It's unfortunate that it happened. But as you know the rules are to be applied strictly. In my view you're a great example of a true sportsman. I know you felt real bad getting DQ'd but you can be sure that the RO is not to happy to have DQ you either. I'm currently a trainee RO & the one thing that I'm really not looking forward to is having to say "stop" some day & DQ someone for a safety infringement.

Bananaman · 30-06-2008 12:20PM

Bye the way, B’man, what kind of measuring tape do you use “I was most interested to see Saul shoot it as he is a foot taller tha

I never got around to asking him to compare measurements....:rolleyes:
He's a big guy - one of, if not, the tallest there and also one of the top in the world so I wanted to see what he did to get down to shoot through those apertures.

The same RO guys all the time, do they ever get a break and do they ever get to shoot themselves !!

DA, you may not realise that under IPSC rules for a Level II or higher - it is mandatory that you have IROA sanctioned Range officers. There was a course held last year where the "same RO guys" were qualified by INROA (Irish National Range Officers Association). There has not been another course since.

That means that all Level II, or higher, matches must have the same guys at them or else they cannot go ahead.

Besides that - in order to keep your RO qualification you're required to RO at a number of matches in a year. Unless you wish to travel to get those points at Level III (International) matches you have little choice but to work at as many Level I (Club) or Level II (National) matches as possible here. We have only ever had Level II matches in Ireland.

I asked shortly after the last course (I didn't hear about it until it was over) and was told there would be one at the end of this year which I hope to attend, and pass.

Then there should be a few more people in the pool for clubs to contact and ask to RO at their matches. I'd prefer that each club had a few of their own and then only needed to call around and get a couple more for a shoot. If the course gets run with any regularity pretty soon each club would have enough to hold a shoot without needing anyone to travel and RO at it. Then people would only need to travel to shoot. Such high hopes I have :-)

In terms of the U.K. Open - that was a Level III and there were ROs from a number of countries. Ireland had a very large contingent. I personally was RO'd by five IPSA members during that shoot.

B'Man

Double-Alpha · 30-06-2008 01:35PM

Gentlemen & Ladies, I have just finished reading / browsing through the official IPSC Match Results on the IPSC website and I think that I have discovered something that others have not yet picked up on.

One of our IPSA shooters has won first place in the Senior Standard Division of the UK Open Level 111.

www.ipsc.org

Surely this is cause for the presentation of a Presidents Medal to this shooter as he is the first Irish IPSA shooter to win a first place in an International Level 111 match.

I don’t claim to know all the rules and regulations but I do think I’m right on this.

Double-Alpha · 30-06-2008 04:03PM

With reference to my last Post # 19,

I was right and it is now confirmed by the IPSC world body official website.

It’s up and posted on the official International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC) website under President’s Medals.

Mr Senior Standard has won Irelands first President’s Gold Medal at the UK Open International Level 111 Match 2008.

Marvellous, Brilliant, Fantastic, Great, Well Done.

:);):)

Bananaman · 30-06-2008 04:47PM

Congratulations

fishdog · 30-06-2008 06:37PM

One of our IPSA shooters has won first place in the Senior Standard Division of the UK Open Level 111.

....and he was also an RO at the match.

Congratulations !!

packas · 01-07-2008 08:42AM

Paul Smith. First ROI winner of Presidents Medal for winning his division in an international IPSC pistol match

http://www.ipscireland.org/paul_smith_wins_presidents_medal.html

Congrats Paul. The entire IPSA region is extremely proud of your achievement.

Pat.

Bananaman · 01-07-2008 09:27AM

In case anyone is not aware of this.

An IPSC Gold Presidents medal is the equivalent of an Olympic Gold medal.

This is a major achievement, not just for the winner and IPSA but for shooting in Ireland.

Remember when Carruth was up for his Medal in the Boxing.....
10 Years from now I wonder will the pubs be putting the price of pints back to what it was this weekend when we are in the running for another Presidents medal :-)

B'Man

packas · 01-07-2008 09:31AM

Bananaman wrote: »

In case anyone is not aware of this.

An IPSC Gold Presidents medal is the equivalent of an Olympic Gold medal.

This is a major achievement, not just for the winner and IPSA but for shooting in Ireland.

Remember when Carruth was up for his Medal in the Boxing.....
10 Years from now I wonder will the pubs be putting the price of pints back to what it was this weekend when we are in the running for another Presidents medal :-)

B'Man

If you ask me it's worth more than an Olympic medal considering that currently IPSC shooting in Ireland gets no funding at all. Anyone invloved in the sprt knows that it's probably the most expensive shooting sport in the world. But now that we're officially on the map & have a medal the future looks very bright indeed:cool:

Rosahane · 01-07-2008 09:40AM

Congratulations Paul, well done!

PMS · 01-07-2008 02:28PM

I thank you all for your kind words.

Hopefully the guys will bring back somemore medals from Lithuania this weekend and I look forward to the after match chat on Boards.ie.

Thanks again.

Paul Smith.

Double-Alpha · 01-07-2008 02:44PM

We thank you for giving us, Ireland and the IPSA this fantastic honour.

Well done again.

Rovi · 01-07-2008 04:46PM

Yes indeed, well done that man!

A terrific achievement, both personally and for IPSA in general.
It's now up to the rest of us to try to emulate it.

b52 · 01-07-2008 05:06PM

Well Done Paul.

Sparks · 01-07-2008 06:30PM

Excellent and well done!

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