Rape Seed/Trinity College/Begger - C&C

slumped · 08-05-2008 03:16PM #1

Hi All

Took these over the last few weeks and have to say I am very pleased with them. However I'm sure they can be improved upon so feel free to comment!

Rape Seed Field in Co. Kildare

Bell Tower in Trinity College Dublin
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs30/f/2008/129/f/5/Trinity_College_Dublin_by_slumped.jpg

Bell Tower 2 in Trinity College Dublin
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs30/f/2008/129/f/7/Trinity_College_Dublin_Ireland_by_slumped.jpg

Begging and Ignoring

AnimalRights · 08-05-2008 03:24PM

#2 and especially #3 are nice.
#1 while gorgeous it also looks like you've over used the photoshop, not saying you even did use it but that what it looks like, the 2 trees either look like they were slapped in there or the others removed.
#4 looks like you've lit the begger up too much or darkened the rest of the photo.

Paulw · 08-05-2008 03:27PM

#1 - Stunning. Love the colour, light, angle, DOF ... brilliant photo.

#2, #3 really nice images. Not a big fan of B&W but these look great.

#4 - Does nothing for me at all.

PaulieC · 08-05-2008 03:29PM

#1 I like as it's almost like 3 pics in one - the sunny foreground, the overcast midground with the stripes and the background with the trees. I would like to see it with the clouds bumped up a bit - I think there's scope in there to bring them out a bit to give then a bit more oomph.

#2,#3 - I like #3 the best of these, again because it's like 2 pics in one - the top half looks kind o mediterranean and the bottom looks more like what it is - serious academia...

Nice set

PopeBuckfastXVI · 08-05-2008 04:24PM

First three are pretty nice.

Beggertography has been done to death imo.

There's always a contrast to be had between a begger/people at pass machine or a begger/people shopping. It's because beggers hang around where people with money will be!

And on the other side of things beggers and the homeless weren't put on this earth for our amusement and so we can get their picture outside a big corporate building and think how clever we are for building such an interesting dichotomy.

No offence OP, this isn't really directed at you in particular, but at beggertography in general.

run_Forrest_run · 08-05-2008 04:53PM

I love #1, tis the season for rapeseed pics, I was going to stop the car on the way from Kilkenny to Dublin last Sunday to take a pic but realised I had no camera:(

slumped · 08-05-2008 05:50PM

AnimalRights wrote: »

#1 while gorgeous it also looks like you've over used the photoshop, not saying you even did use it but that what it looks like, the 2 trees either look like they were slapped in there or the others removed.

The photo has been processed very little. The trees are natural and nothing has been added.

I increase saturation on yellows and adjusted contrast in sky.

S

decsramble · 08-05-2008 05:52PM

Love #1 The dof with the division of the shot into 3 bands of color and then the lines draw me in. Great composition. BTW there seems to be a black line in the bottom left?

Personally I prefer #2 to #3 it's nicely framed, the b&w suits it and it's more original than #3.

#4 I agree with AnimalRights, beggar looks too bright?

shepthedog · 08-05-2008 06:51PM

Very strong set of images there and a nice variation in subjects.. Number one and two really stand out for me.. Rapeseed is the subject of the month on boards anyway.. Cool shots overall/

pippatee · 08-05-2008 07:05PM

Very strong panel of images ... they show a good understanding of different aspects of photography ...

Number 1 is my favourite, but only because I would prefer landscape photography,

I would brighten the top of the image if it were mine ... but ... well ... it isn't ...

lovely set,

Philip

slumped · 08-05-2008 08:51PM

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

First three are pretty nice.

Beggertography has been done to death imo.

No offence OP, this isn't really directed at you in particular, but at beggertography in general.

This is actually the only beggartographic shot I've ever taken but know what you mean.

S

Dodgykeeper · 08-05-2008 09:40PM

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Beggertography has been done to death imo.

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Agreed!

Valentia · 08-05-2008 09:48PM

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

First three are pretty nice.

Beggertography has been done to death imo.

There's always a contrast to be had between a begger/people at pass machine or a begger/people shopping. It's because beggers hang around where people with money will be!

And on the other side of things beggers and the homeless weren't put on this earth for our amusement and so we can get their picture outside a big corporate building and think how clever we are for building such an interesting dichotomy.

No offence OP, this isn't really directed at you in particular, but at beggertography in general.

My nomination for post of the month. It's like rapeseed fields or the bell tower in Trinity haven't been done to death.......LOL!! Talk about showing bias.......

I like all the shots. The rapeseed shot really works well because of the difference in the foreground and the mid ground contrast and saturation.

The B&Ws are well converted and composed. OK Frank Lampart might appear to be a little lit up but I wouldn't use the shot to have a go at someone else's style. Especially when that style requires a little bit more risk than shooting a blue sky.

slumped · 09-05-2008 10:40AM

Valentia wrote: »

The B&Ws are well converted and composed. OK Frank Lampart might appear to be a little lit up but I wouldn't use the shot to have a go at someone else's style. Especially when that style requires a little bit more risk than shooting a blue sky.

Thanks Valentia.

Didn't spot the Frank Lampard lookalike until you said it!

There was a little risk in this but to be honest I was standing at bank of Ireland on Westmoreland street and the begger was across the road at AIB.

It's not the best shot I've ever taken but was a new departure for me. Also really getting the hang of Photoshop which helps a lot!

PopeBuckfastXVI · 09-05-2008 11:21AM

Valentia wrote: »

My nomination for post of the month. It's like rapeseed fields or the bell tower in Trinity haven't been done to death.......LOL!! Talk about showing bias.......

Well rapeseed fields and the trinners bell tower aren't people who have been f*cked over by life. Beggers are not inanimate objects/subjects, they are people, who are not there to provide some sort of quote-unquote gritty urban subject matter.

I can see a thousand rape seed pictures and, tbh, the one in this post is one of the best I've seen, and tire of them, but every so often see an uplifting one.

I can see a thousand pictures of the homeless or beggers and just get f*cking depressed, it's not some amazing exposé, oh my god there's homeless people, who would have thunk it!? Is it art? Is it right to treat poor people as art?

I don't have the answers, I just think it's a cheap way of building what people seem to think is a clever dichotomy, but it's not clever, it's cheap and easy.

Anyway I don't want to hijack the OP's thread. The 4th picture is well taken, and nicely composed, I just don't think it should have been taken at all.

Valentia · 09-05-2008 11:29AM

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Well rapeseed fields and the trinners bell tower aren't people who have been f*cked over by life. Beggers are not inanimate objects/subjects, they are people, who are not there to provide some sort of quote-unquote gritty urban subject matter.

I can see a thousand rape seed pictures and, tbh, the one in this post is one of the best I've seen, and tire of them, but every so often see an uplifting one.

I can see a thousand pictures of the homeless or beggers and just get f*cking depressed, it's not some amazing exposé, oh my god there's homeless people, who would have thunk it!? Is it art? Is it right to treat poor people as art?

I don't have the answers, I just think it's a cheap way of building what people seem to think is a clever dichotomy, but it's not clever, it's cheap and easy.

Anyway I don't want to hijack the OP's thread. The 4th picture is well taken, and nicely composed, I just don't think it should have been taken at all.

No, no. It has everything to do with the original post. So photography should stick with "nice" things so that you don't get depressed and photographers who take "beggers", homeless, and disadvantaged people are taking the easy option a should stick to the death defying tasks of rapeseed fields and well built victorian archicture. And you don't see the dichotomy there?

Valentia · 09-05-2008 11:32AM

slumped wrote: »

There was a little risk in this

I realise that

I think that His Holiness was referring to someone else who does take enormous risks to capture the more uncomfortable reality that we try to ignore.

PopeBuckfastXVI · 09-05-2008 01:42PM

Valentia wrote: »

I realise that I think that His Holiness was referring to someone else who does take enormous risks to capture the more uncomfortable reality that we try to ignore.

D'oh... not on two threads at once... but no... all you need for a shot with a homeless person next to a rich person is access to a camera and a city centre anywhere in the world. I'd call that pretty easy.

Valentia · 09-05-2008 01:44PM

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

D'oh... not on two threads at once... but no... all you need for a shot with a homeless person next to a rich person is access to a camera and a city centre anywhere in the world. I'd call that pretty easy.

D'oh is right. What's that got to do with what I said??

PopeBuckfastXVI · 09-05-2008 01:45PM

Valentia wrote: »

D'oh is right. What's that got to do with what I said??

"I think that His Holiness was referring to someone else who does take enormous risks to capture the more uncomfortable reality that we try to ignore"

I wasn't

djmike · 09-05-2008 01:46PM

The rapeseed is a lovely shot. I live beside a massive rapeseed field so Im hoping for a lot of similar photos this summer.

Ethically , Id have a problem with shots like # 4, so I coudnt really comment on it

slumped · 09-05-2008 02:52PM

djmike wrote: »

The rapeseed is a lovely shot. I live beside a massive rapeseed field so Im hoping for a lot of similar photos this summer.

Ethically , Id have a problem with shots like # 4, so I coudnt really comment on it

see my comments in other thread.

I really don't know what the fuss is about!

DjDangerousDave · 12-06-2008 03:21PM

Toady at lunch myself and a friend were talking about rape seed oil as a fuel. I was wondering what a feild of rape seed looks like, Its really quite nice.

Love the #1, I dont know if I would of saturated the yellows so much. But its still very nice and well composed.

Dave.

Dragan · 12-06-2008 03:54PM

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Beggertography has been done to death imo.

While i appreciate where you are coming from, should us new photographers not explore these type of themes for our own benefit?

Slumped, no.1 is a great shot for me. Excellent compostion and personally i love the almost "unreal" nature of the trees.

The second Bell Tower shot would be my favourite.

AnimalRights · 12-06-2008 05:18PM

Dragan wrote: »

While i appreciate where you are coming from, should us new photographers not explore these type of themes for our own benefit?

Hehe good point, I was so excited when I finally got round to my "Swans test"
Don't know if I'll do my Rapeseed test living in the City Centre though!

Dragan · 12-06-2008 05:30PM

AnimalRights wrote: »

Hehe good point, I was so excited when I finally got round to my "Swans test"
Don't know if I'll do my Rapeseed test living in the City Centre though!

Personally i will not be missing an opportuinity to photograph any subject just because some people don't like seeing it and it has been done already. I can only assume to develop as a photographer and find my own style i need to embrace a broad range of subjects?:)

Alicat · 12-06-2008 06:34PM

Dragan wrote: »

Personally i will not be missing an opportuinity to photograph any subject just because some people don't like seeing it and it has been done already. I can only assume to develop as a photographer and find my own style i need to embrace a broad range of subjects?:)

Two thumbs up for this post, I agree thoroughly! I'm still on sunsets/general landscapes and flowers in my garden

Dragan · 12-06-2008 06:44PM

Alicat wrote: »

Two thumbs up for this post, I agree thoroughly! I'm still on sunsets/general landscapes and flowers in my garden

Me too.....my last 2 weeks has really be concentrating around sunsets and landscapes......my DA is starting to look like a Tourism Ireland advert!!

Actually, Slumped, where is that field, out of interest??

12-06-2008 06:52PM

#2 and #3 are amazing - fantastic photos

I like 4 but think the guy is a bit too dark.. but what do I know?

magicbastarder · 12-06-2008 07:07PM

Dragan wrote: »

While i appreciate where you are coming from, should us new photographers not explore these type of themes for our own benefit?

it's nothing to do with what you think about the merits or lack thereof in photographing beggars.
it's about what the beggars think.

you wouldn't (i assume) take a candid photo of an adult crying. similar principle.

Alicat · 12-06-2008 07:17PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

it's nothing to do with what you think about the merits or lack thereof in photographing beggars.
it's about what the beggars think.

you wouldn't (i assume) take a candid photo of an adult crying. similar principle.

I don't think that's what they were discussing...I think it was more that beggars have been a common subject for many photographs, as have other subjects, and some people feel they are overused, and perhaps abused, but I don't think that was the last two posters were talking about. Merely their opinion on "overused" subjects, not the ethical side of it.

MY opinion would be that although it might not be very nice to some sensitive souls to show a darker, more depressing side of society, it still exists in our culture and cannot be ignored. If you don't like those types of photographs, you don't have to take them, but don't criticize others for doing it. Photography and "art" are open to interpretation.

Rape Seed/Trinity College/Begger - C&C

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