Diffrence between BJJ and jujitsu

ROY_VAN_DAM88 · 26-02-2008 11:48PM #1

could someone please point out the diffrence in fighting tecinique of brazillian jujitsu and normal jujitsu.also which one would you recommend.thanks

pearsquasher · 27-02-2008 10:49AM

For a start...

"BJJ" is a distinct style of martial arts... generally sports-orientated

"Jujutsu" is a type of martial art with many styles some including weapons and generally not sports orientated

So to recomend BJJ over a type of art is sort of meaningless.

Example: Would you recomend BJJ over Takenouchi-ryu jujutsu?

Well - whats your goal in doing a martial art? The schools probably have different goals.

Do you know someone whos practiced both enough to say one's stronger in one area than the other?

See.... it's a tricky one. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu and it might help...

I'd say do both!

cowzerp · 27-02-2008 11:13AM

BJJ is a grappling art that was made famous by its success against all styles in the UFC, its very effective and enjoyable and can be used by fighters or people who just enjoy learning an art-loads of bjj players have no intention of fighting but learn the skills that could be used if necessary!

Japanes JJ is a striking art mainly and would be more similar to Kung Fu or traditional type arts, really you should choose the 1 that suits your goals, BJJ is very popular at the moment and is very technical and effective. i've never done JJJ so cant say if its good or not.

David Jones · 27-02-2008 11:46AM

Did someone just open one of these? :-)

ryoishin · 27-02-2008 01:04PM

Jujutsu is just a term to descride Japanese fighting systems in a certain time period mainly grappling in nature with some strikes. Jujutsu, yawara, Judo (the name was in use before kano was around) etc are just names that were fasionable at the time. However this has changed now with the intorduction of jiujitsu as a more modern style of jujutsu, normally not Japanese in origon. The term traditional means different things to different people to some its the training method to others its how old it is. Origionally the japanese jujutsu was only one part of a school (known as ryuha) teachings prefaring to teach weapons and generalship first. However with all things in martial arts there are the exceptions.

Nothingcompares · 27-02-2008 03:16PM

The answer to your question is BJJ

David Jones · 28-02-2008 04:02PM

Nice Sig Kevin very luhrmanesque!

dlofnep · 28-02-2008 07:44PM

I would reccomend BJJ for anything above it. Self defense, getting fit, sport, etc..

I saw a few JJJ classes in person and I was quite disturbed by the poor level of instruction from black belts. Another time we were training over in England, the B&B we were staying in had a kid there, couldn't of been more than 11 or 12 who was a 2nd degree black belt in ju-jitsu.

I am sure there are some solid, functional and practical traditional schools, but they are more than likely outweighed by the kinds of classes I have seen. The throws resembled a person with 2 months of judo and the striking resembled someone with 2 months of watching too many low budget martial arts films.

If you do choose traditional ju-jitsu, check the class out first and make sure there is an element of solid sparring so you can gauge how good they are or not.

Gorman · 28-02-2008 10:11PM

From what I've read all the schools of JJJ became obsolete/irrelevant in Japan with the introduction of Judo. I think there where some challenge matches where the Judo guys (Kanos lads) beat the classical JJ guy every time. After that judo was seen as the way forward. Then of course one of the best Judo students went to Brazil....

cowzerp · 29-02-2008 08:52AM

That happened when the police changed over too judo after organised fights between the top judo school and the top jjj school, jjj losing all but 1 fight, the change was instant and judo became the biggest thing in japan thereafter, JJJ nearly disappeared after that..and was dumped from the police training program.

connie00 · 29-02-2008 09:27AM

I did some Jiu Jitsu years ago. I found the repititive practice of joint locks (specfically wrist locks) tough and damaging on the joint. I am not too keen on practising wrist locks since then.

Does BJJ use wrist locks ? I trained with a 2nd Jiu Jitsu school when I was based in the UK for a while they seem quite fond of the ould wrist locks too.

pearsquasher · 29-02-2008 09:43AM

So has anyone done a particular style of jujutsu AND bjj to a level of compentancy to be able to compare them?

I'd imagine that if someone was dedicated enough to persue, say, Araki ryu or Yoshin ryu - JJ's which have weapons use - and attend a BJJ gym, then they'd be fairly well rounded, no? You'd get the sport itch scratched and learn a bit about weapons.

A different example of mixing your martial art. does this sort of mix work? anyone here know? (from experience).

Roper · 29-02-2008 10:10AM

I think there's a problem with that there pearsquasher. Most people who do BJJ would see it not just as an enjoyable sport but as a significant part of a total fighting system. Ergo they'll get the sports hit AND learn how to defend themselves under one roof.

David Jones · 29-02-2008 10:19AM

Not to put the

but anyone from a traditonal jiu jitsu background including black belts that has ever popped their head in NG's doors and rolled has been tapped repeatedly by white belts. Have yet to meet anyone from a traditonal jiu jitsu background that can actually spar effectively. Too much time spent my opponent punches straight, I block, catch put on a wrist lock he taps, bull****.

Valmont · 29-02-2008 10:45AM

David Jones wrote: »

Not to put the

Cat in front of the pidgeons? Haven't heard that one before

buck65 · 29-02-2008 11:48AM

what about kaza wai jiu jitsu in Limerick? what is this type JJ?

mark.leonard · 29-02-2008 01:32PM

Mike teaches pretty much BJJ, with a few twists. He was producing MMA League winners back in 2004-5 but haven't heard much from him in a while. Maybe someone on here has a stronger lead?

cletus · 29-02-2008 03:08PM

As Mark says, Mike teaches stuff very similar to bjj, he comes form a judo background with lots of newaza. There were a core group of people training with mike that enjoyed the sport aspect of what he was teaching. however, Mikes main interests now lie in self defence, so he doesn't really do much sparring, live rolling anymore.

Quite a few of the guys who were training with him (myself included) now train with fergal quinlan in ul

ryoishin · 29-02-2008 05:01PM

Theres a difference between traditional jiu jitsu and Japanse Koryu Jujutsu.

A world of difference. Some take traditional to mean training method ie kata others take it to mean from a certain time period in Japans history. Koryu schools outside of Japan are rare enough, they do exist but even in Japan it can be difficult to find them.

In the above mentioned competition between judo and the other Koryu Jujutsu schools Kanos fighters where not pure judo men, but still thats beside the point it showed his method was producing better effects. However that one school that he lost to (cant remember the name but ill dig it out if people want to know) specialised in ground fighting and its because of this that Kano decided to include/spend more time on ground techniques. Kano did nt invent randori. Traditional schools do spar (well some do some dont) and did well before judo came along.

I do both bjj and jujutsu and i find they compliment each other. At the same time I do believe that some teachers of traditional jujutsu hide behind the "used on the battlefield" arguement. I mean how else would you have trained for the battlefield without testing your techniques.

john kavanagh · 29-02-2008 06:25PM

ryoishin wrote: »

I do both bjj and jujutsu and i find they compliment each other.

really? in what way? and what grade are you in both systems so i have an idea where you're coming from, thanks

i can understand how bjj + boxing/thai or bjj + wrestling/judo would compliment each other....but not bjj + jjj, their training methods are so diametrically opposed.

Clive · 29-02-2008 06:39PM

ryoishin wrote: »

However that one school that he lost to (cant remember the name but ill dig it out if people want to know) specialised in ground fighting and its because of this that Kano decided to include/spend more time on ground techniques.

Fusen Ryu

Gorman · 29-02-2008 08:10PM

Clive wrote: »

Fusen Ryu

A bit of googling came up with this:
http://www.kobukaijujitsu.com/sensei6.html

Some of this I hadn't seen before, esp about Kanos final decision on the amount of newasa that Judo should have - is this legit?

ryoishin · 29-02-2008 09:34PM

No grade in bjj and 3rd kyu in traditional jujutsu.

More sparing always helps and the angling and idea of building frames in bjj has helped me with the moving into techniques in traditional jujutsu. Traditional jujutsu has helped my bjj with the constant emphisis on puting your whole self into your task and not being egotistical about what im doing.

In regards to training methods its true what you said for the most part. Alot of JJJ guys would do judo style randori but maybe not to the extent that judo players would.

Most of JJJ have just become art forms with the people doing them not interested in sparing and if they do spar its in weapons. But some do.

Scramble · 29-02-2008 11:43PM

I did a fairly authentic type of japanese budo for about six years, including a couple of trips to Japan to train. At the time I enjoyed it and met some really nice people, but in hindsight I think the training methods we used were fundamentally flawed.

While occassionally the training could be physically tough, we never worked consistently against resisting opponents or sparred hard and as a result when I began BJJ and then a bit of clinch and Muay Thai I found I pretty much had no functional ability at any range.

For what it's worth, I believe that in quite a few koryu jujutsu dojo in Japan the guys doing it also study judo. I've heard of one school with a young headmaster (40s) who does BJJ too. I get the impression that for the japanese doing koryu is about a cultural tradition, attention to detail and taking pride in their history, and not really about fighting ability.

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