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PCBSD/DesktopBSD, anyone?

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  • #32
    Naikon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    As to the most reliable/secure?. No xserver tbh.
    High availibility machines don't need them at all I guess.
    Not as suitable for the desktop mind you.


  • #33
    Naikon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    djmarkus wrote: »
    I really find kde by far the best for my needs at home and at work. Klipper and Katapult make my work so much easier :)

    I have to admit though, KDE is much nicer to work with than Gnome if I don't mind saying so.
    I still stand by fluxbox though:) (at least for the present)


  • #34
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    ntlbell wrote: »
    If you have something to say spit it out.

    I think the rolleyes said it all thb. I think you were looking for a fight with your BSD superiority tripe.


  • #35
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Khannie wrote: »
    I think the rolleyes said it all thb. I think you were looking for a fight with your BSD superiority tripe.

    Not at all.

    He was asking for personal opinions/experiences based on mine that's my opinion.

    Rolley eyes do nothing but look for a fight.

    So roll them and just don't post it's real easy.


  • #36
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    You'd swear FreeBSD was the best thing since sliced bread and that every linux disto was just a toy incapable of running as a decent backend server. The reality is that linux has made serious inroads at the corporate backend over the last 5 years. Pretty sure (without googling) that its growth rate at the backend far exceeds that of FreeBSD. If linux were something that should be used "for a personal toy", there are a lot of people out there that you think you're a lot smarter than.

    For what it's worth: For a lightweight backend box I'd seriously consider FreeBSD but ultimately I'd find it difficult to justify it over (for example) centos server given my own linux experience level. Also, experience with linux is worth real actual money in my experience. Especially experience with RHEL (or centos). I haven't seen too many jobs looking for FreeBSD experience.


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  • #37
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    mick.fr wrote: »
    Anyway I also love OpenBSD, another flavor of BSD Unix, this is more a server but it can also receive KDE/Gnome, which I did some time ago. I made some custom CD the last year, that was a interesting experience.

    I'd love to do more on OpenBSD, I believe this is a beautiful server OS. Cleaner and stronger than FreeBSD itself.
    I love it too, however it's biggest problem is that the extra security measures have a performance impact meaning it's not scalable enough to be used as a large scale server.

    As a home server/firewall it's fantastic though.


  • #38
    mick.fr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭mick.fr


    Blowfish wrote: »
    I love it too, however it's biggest problem is that the extra security measures have a performance impact meaning it's not scalable enough to be used as a large scale server.

    As a home server/firewall it's fantastic though.

    Well yeah but the security features (Well more than integrated into the OS) it has will impact the CPU if they are used.
    Like any other OS such as Windows Server.
    I would disagree with your "home use" statement since OpenBSD is or has been used by many corporates companies, including Microsoft for years. Adobe as well.


  • #39
    mick.fr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭mick.fr


    Khannie wrote: »
    You'd swear FreeBSD was the best thing since sliced bread and that every linux disto was just a toy incapable of running as a decent backend server. The reality is that linux has made serious inroads at the corporate backend over the last 5 years. Pretty sure (without googling) that its growth rate at the backend far exceeds that of FreeBSD. If linux were something that should be used "for a personal toy", there are a lot of people out there that you think you're a lot smarter than.

    For what it's worth: For a lightweight backend box I'd seriously consider FreeBSD but ultimately I'd find it difficult to justify it over (for example) centos server given my own linux experience level. Also, experience with linux is worth real actual money in my experience. Especially experience with RHEL (or centos). I haven't seen too many jobs looking for FreeBSD experience.

    Well this is also because of the commercial interest of Linux.
    Many companies as you know started to professionalize Linux a good couple of years back such as Redhat, Novell.
    I am not aware of any "server" distro based on FreeBSD that has the same commercial penetration that Redhat/Novell.

    In the first place I do not know what made companies choose Linux over BSD since it was a way more solid OS, and probably still is today.


  • #40
    sobriquet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭sobriquet


    mick.fr wrote: »
    In the first place I do not know what made companies choose Linux over BSD since it was a way more solid OS, and probably still is today.

    Plenty of companies did - Hotmail pre the windows buyout, and AFAIK much of Yahoos infrastructure still runs on it. When they kicked off in the mid 90s I'd imagine it was the better option. Whether today you can state one or the other is superior is pretty tricky, Linux is a multiheaded beast, and distros like Debian Stable are reputedly rock solid. I'd add something more inflammatory here but I left the JP-8 at home.


  • #41
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Khannie wrote: »
    You'd swear FreeBSD was the best thing since sliced bread and that every linux disto was just a toy incapable of running as a decent backend server. The reality is that linux has made serious inroads at the corporate backend over the last 5 years. Pretty sure (without googling) that its growth rate at the backend far exceeds that of FreeBSD. If linux were something that should be used "for a personal toy", there are a lot of people out there that you think you're a lot smarter than.

    For what it's worth: For a lightweight backend box I'd seriously consider FreeBSD but ultimately I'd find it difficult to justify it over (for example) centos server given my own linux experience level. Also, experience with linux is worth real actual money in my experience. Especially experience with RHEL (or centos). I haven't seen too many jobs looking for FreeBSD experience.

    As I stated to mick I specifically said I didn't want to get into this too much.

    Your argument is a bit like kids arguing over music.

    Popular is best.

    Ok so the spice girls are one of the best bands in the world, Windows is the most secure stable OS ever written.

    This is exactly why I don't get into it.

    I'm basing my opinion on years of professional experience in production environments all over Europe from large ISP's to huge e-commerce sites.

    Toy was the wrong word sir, I'm sorry.


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  • #42
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    sobriquet wrote: »
    When they kicked off in the mid 90s I'd imagine it was the better option.

    I'd say there's no doubt about that.
    sobriquet wrote: »
    Whether today you can state one or the other is superior is pretty tricky, Linux is a multiheaded beast, and distros like Debian Stable are reputedly rock solid.

    I've never used debian stable myself, but I am told it's rock solid by people I consider to know their stuff. The nature of my job means that I use RHEL a bit. It's pretty rock solid too. Never had it actually crash. Same applies to solaris too. Just checked the uptime on one of our (heavily used) servers and it's 250 days. Not bad at all.


  • #43
    mick.fr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭mick.fr


    I would have imagined 10 years ago a BSD was probably a better option than a Linux distro. Especially with the licensing type Linux is tied with.
    Berkeley license is a lot more opened (Because there is no restriction).
    But I may be wrong. This whole "open source" thing made a lot of noise back at that time (Well a bit older than 10 years...), I suppose they (The different developers, including Torvalds) had better resources than they might have had with BSD. Back at that time, there was almost only one BSD flavor (More or less, many of them splitted a bit more than 10 years ago now...)


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