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PS3 will save the world

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    LookingFor wrote:
    Well first of all I doubt your DVD player is better than a PS3, given that your PS3 will play DVDs, and HD Blu-ray movies, and upscale your DVDs to HD, and output the signal over HDMI and..so on and so on. Asides from that, I think a lot of people will, initially at least, use it for watching movies, which does leave a lot of spare processing power to soak up. F@H could run when you're doing anything except playing a game, really. Whether it suits you or not or whether your PS3 will be idle enough to make it worthwhile is an individual matter, I think.

    most dvd players can upscale now too, and how many bluray dvds do you think he owns ? or plans to buy ? and I may not know how loud the ps3 will be but im sure it will make some noise and I like dvd players that dont make a whisper. Also I personaly am not going to touch either bluray or hddvd, till the winner of that format war is clear


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    Actually I've got a 6.1 HD-DVD player! that said, I don't own any HD DVD's nor blue rays for that matter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Vegeta wrote:
    Yes they are!! Increase the speed it takes to simulate ans visualise the folding of a protein to help cure several diseases. How is that not revolutionary

    not revolutionary, just better.
    Vegeta wrote:
    Consoles are sold at a loss. PCs aint.

    so? i don't care... in the end it still costs me €600 for a ps3..
    Vegeta wrote:
    In the PS3 it hasn't been used in the medical or military sciences yet. Its all talk. It hasn't been done yet.

    every cell chip that comes off the production lines with all cores running goes straight to military/science afaik


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    lol look at this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2940422.stm ,so this isnt really a new idea and i dont remember hearing of anything comming from it either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    and I may not know how loud the ps3 will be but im sure it will make some noise and I like dvd players that dont make a whisper.

    Sony claims it'll be as quiet as a slim PS2. We'll see. The Blu-ray drive itself should be very quiet, though, it's only 2x, so it should spin slow and quiet.
    iregk wrote:
    Actually I've got a 6.1 HD-DVD player! that said, I don't own any HD DVD's nor blue rays for that matter!

    You should get some HD-DVDs then! :D But you must admit you're hardly typical. There'll be lots of people for whom PS3 will be their first HD movie player.
    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    lol look at this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2940422.stm ,so this isnt really a new idea and i dont remember hearing of anything comming from it either.

    That's not the same idea at all. And something did come of that - they built their cluster afterall.

    I'm not getting the controversy surrounding this. The concept of distributed computing is proven, and Folding@Home has already been up and running for some time now. This is just a new client on a powerful platform, it's good for Folding@Home, it's good PR for Sony - what's the problem?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Burning Eclipse


    every cell chip that comes off the production lines with all cores running goes straight to military/science afaik

    Are you able to read...
    Vegeta wrote:
    In the PS3 it hasn't been used in the medical or military sciences yet. Its all talk. It hasn't been done yet.

    Go on... Give it a shot. Vegeta begins his statement with "In the PS3". He never said the cell by itself. Although the marketing guys at Sony might make it seem like they are one in the same. And if you want to make a decent argument I'd suggest reading responses so you could form intelligent responses in turn.

    While I would like to get a PS3 and probably will at some stage, I couldn't foresee myself leaving it on at night, adding to my electricity bill, or how I would use it for much other than gaming as IregK already pointed out.

    Final thing. This is dependent on the consoles being online...
    What percentage of PS2's are online....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Are you able to read...

    Go on... Give it a shot. Vegeta begins his statement with "In the PS3". He never said the cell by itself. Although the marketing guys at Sony might make it seem like they are one in the same. And if you want to make a decent argument I'd suggest reading responses so you could form intelligent responses in turn.

    i am quite able to read. vegeta didn't state pure fact, it was what he believed to be true. and what i said was not marketing from sony. in fact, nothing i've said or read that's pro-cell in this thread has been anything from sony. i recall everything here being from another company, called IBM... as in, the company building the damn thing.

    zomg
    I would like to get a PS3 and probably will at some stage, I couldn't foresee myself leaving it on at night, adding to my electricity bill, or how I would use it for much other than gaming as IregK already pointed out.

    nor could i... at the same time, i can't see myself leaving the wii on all night to download demo's and stuff.
    What percentage of PS2's are online....

    in 2004 sony said there were over 1.4 million online users in north America alone. i remember hearing figures last year saying there were more ps2's online then xbox's... but that's really down to sheer numbers (a sample of 100 million consoles in fairness) rather then quality of service


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    [woops, wrong thread]


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Firstly I agree with the sentiment that some people are overhyping the cell and are talking it up without having any understanding of it, and it is sickening. (edit: but I do have to laugh at all the fanboys thinking that buy buying a PS3 they'll single-handedly rid the world of cancer)

    Secondly, I've a degree in CompSci and have read up extensively about the cell, and am now going to explain why, through it's design it is very suited to Folding@Home and other medical/scientific uses (I don't actually know a lot about F@H but I can infer the types of calculations employed as I'll explain below). The Cell processor consists of a PowerPC based core (PPC) and 8 vector processor cores (PPEs, only 7 of which are active in the PS3). For now we can ignore the PPC, which is more or less the same as the x86 chip sitting in your PC and focus on the vertex based SPEs. Vector processors, such as the SPEs are specifically designed to carry out small sets of instructions on large sets of data, commonly know as vector operations. A common vector operation may be in a physics simulation to apply the force of gravity to a million seperate particles. A standard general purpose processor (PPC, x86 etc) would need to load the instruction (i.e. apply gravity) and load one piece of data (a particle) and carry out the instruction, then load the next instruction (which is actually the same thing again, apply gravity) and the data for the next particle and carry out the instruction, and so on for each of the million particles. A vector processor on the other hand will load up the same instruction (apply gravity) but will take a whole bunch of data (particles) and apply it to all of them. That's somewhat over simplified, but it explains the principle.

    It also shows how/why physics is a vertex operation. With physics calculations being an important, as well as computationally intensive, part of many scientific apps it's clear that the cell has a huge advantage over your standard x86 processor. Ageia's physx processors are essentially vertex processors on an add-on card.

    Graphics operations, such as translating a huge number of points/vertice around an axis, are also vector operations so naturally your GPU is also a vector processor (with some other stuff like shaders bolted on). With the talk of an ATi/GPU client being developed for F@H, I think we can safly assume that F@H mainly uses vector operations too, which explains why the cell can process it so well.

    We should also remember that the cell wasn't just deisgned by Sony for the PS3. IBM and Toshiba have also played a role in it, and have plans for it, and it's currently being used in IBM servers, military simulations and medical imaging equiptment.

    The wikipedia article on vector processors is worth a read.

    As an irrelevant piece of trivia, video encoding/decoding is another vector op which is why some vector like instructions have been added to x86 (MMX, SSE etc).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    An interesting twist to this debate. IBM has won a contract to build the world's fastest supercomputer for the US government, and they're going to put Cell in it.

    http://news.com.com/IBM+to+build+Opteron-Cell+hybrid+supercomputer/2100-1010_3-6112439.html
    IBM has won a bid to build a supercomputer called Roadrunner that will include not just conventional Opteron chips but also the Cell processor used in the Sony Playstation, CNET News.com has learned.

    The supercomputer, for the Los Alamos National Laboratory, will be the world's fastest machine and is designed to sustain a performance level of a "petaflop," or 1 quadrillion calculations per second, said U.S. Senator Pete Domenici earlier this year. Bidding for the system opened in May, when a Congressional subcommittee allocated $35 million for the first phase of the project, according to Domenici, a Republican from New Mexico, where the nuclear weapons lab is located.

    :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Gingervitis


    Hate to resurrect this thread, but
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7074547.stm
    looks like they've done it! It's Guinness official, so if that's not a seal of approval I don't know what is!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Grid computing as its called has some inherent speed advantages over super-computers. They dont bottleneck as much because its all done in parallel so you dont get situations where you have the chip in a wait state until the HD returns some piece of data etc. Against that, you have the over head of working out which PS3/Cell will do what next. Typically though broad and wide is better then tall and narrow as far as architecture goes.

    Some architectures are more suited to bio-algorithms because they have built in functions which take the operation to the heart of the chip without lots of layers of control programming in between the instruction and the silicon. This is a general assertion as I know nothing about protein folding in particular. I do have a degree in Maths though, if thats any help. :)

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    DeVore wrote: »
    I do have a degree in Maths though, if thats any help. :)

    DeV.

    nerd!

    don't forget the story of how some US students entered an IBM-sponsored competition to do something cool with Cell, so they took 3 PS3's and got them to "emulate" 3 parts of the human brain.

    basically, ps3 is the first step to the supreme overlord. i knew IBM would be involved (go back one letter in each letter for IBM and you get HAL... 2001: a space odyssey)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭3rdDegree


    HAL = Heuristic Algorithmic Logic.

    Heuristic's or artificial intelligence in computing was all the rave back in the late 60's, 70's and 80's. Never really hear of it now. Maybe they've already taken over?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    This kind of thing seems to be getting popular ,

    http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=console+supercomputers&meta=

    Top story on this google search is an Astrophysicist who is saving himself a packet because he hooked up eight PS3's and is now using them instead of paying 5000 dollars a session for supercomputer time ,

    http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/7244/

    Seems the cell and the open architecture allowed him to load linux and customise the system to his needs , now he doesnt need supercomputer time anymore.

    Interesting stuff , along with a lot of the other stories.


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