Odd I think, but racist?

AARRRGH · 15-10-2007 05:59PM

It's not just white people who are racist.

Hobbes · 15-10-2007 06:03PM

cas91 wrote: »

Whatever they're doing its against the law but to be honest I would'nt be bothered with them ther only losing out themselves after all..

Cas

Personally I wouldn't let it slide. I'd not see it done to a non-Irish person, so why allow it for Irish people?

Tar.Aldarion · 15-10-2007 06:12PM

Less money for them, pretty stupid.

axer · 15-10-2007 06:24PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

10%.

At least 10% - the real figure is much higher possibly up to 15%.

I can understand if a hairdresser specialises in Afro textured hair but other than that it is illegal. If someone comes to across such illegal behaviour they should be reported asap. Discrimination is discrimination.

Jesus Wept · 15-10-2007 06:29PM

tallus wrote: »

Also, there was a shop in Oldcaste Co Meath, that wouldn't serve catholics. My mam told me about it once as we have relatives out in that neck of the woods. I'll try to find out the name later.

How were they in business then? When was this? lol

Perhaps we should march on these shops, for our civil rights. (boards events forum?)

Cheeky_gal · 15-10-2007 06:41PM

I don't understand people these days....

no one seems to see the funny side of racism any more, it's mad!

dame · 15-10-2007 06:47PM

Vegeta wrote: »

was just thinking the same thing, maybe they just don't have the experience and were afraid they'd mess it up

I went into an Asian hairdressers with a friend for an up-do before. They had her hair done in less than twenty mins but then spent nearly an hour putting mine up before they were satisfied they'd done it right! Fantastic hairdo but the girl had never done an updo on blonde fly-away hair before and it kept slipping on her. They were really nice and did a lovely job.

speaktofrank · 15-10-2007 06:53PM

:)If this happens to you just take your business elsewhere. Personally I would report it too. My last haircut was in a place on Dorset street near the big tree, seems to be a Chinese place, so I went in there as the price was pretty reasonable for a cut, and wash and dry.
What followed was great, she cut my hair with millimetre precision, took ages but I didnt mind, then she washed it and then I got a neck massage. I nearly fell asleep as it was so relaxing.
Cost €15. I gave her a 20 and told her keep the change.

Best haircut ever.

Jesus Wept · 15-10-2007 06:53PM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

I don't understand people these days....

no one seems to see the funny side of racism any more, it's mad!

Here ye go now!

Not Suitable For Work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WyhRdrwy4Y

Wertz · 15-10-2007 06:54PM

Mordeth wrote: »

that's ****ing brilliant

i'm going to open a shop in israel and refuse to serve jews. I can see myself making millions.

Ooh, are you looking for any staff?

Seriously, I'm not too surprised by the allegations being made on this thread....we are not integrating our immigrant population (through faults on BOTH sides) and a ghetto mentality is forming. IMO the problem is only going to keep getting worse...it's the price we pay for unchecked mass immigration.
Has anyone considered the possibility that this is a backlash by immigrant communities against Irish businesses who refused them service in the past?
How long before we're building peace walls in suburban neighbourhoods?

the_syco · 15-10-2007 06:54PM

Meh. Explains the funny looks I got when I walked into a Chinese shop to get a bottle of lucozade. Picture me, in a full length trenchcoat, shaved head, with Slayer blasting out. Shop assistant said something to me, so I waved the bottle in front of her. She said something again, and I pointed the fiver in her direction. There was a pause, and she took the lucozade, scanned it in, and gave me change.

Moral of the story: f**k 'em. Ignore what they say, go in, and buy your sh|t. If you're big enough, and listening to angry trash metal, they're not going to say no:cool::D

Get same weird looks in Indian and Chinese shops. Never in Spar, even though they're staffed by Indian and Chinese. Go figure.

Cheeky_gal · 15-10-2007 07:06PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Here ye go now!

Cheers Rigger...not quite what I was hopin for but brought a smile to the face

Anyways whos on for a forum entirely dedicated to the pros and greatness of racism!?! Anyone?

Wertz · 15-10-2007 07:07PM

In so far as the polskis go, perhaps (just perhaps) they're offering a polski price to a polski client (as there's obviously enough potential clients) and are leaving the foolish Irish to pay extortionate Irish prices in the Irish salons/barbers?
Not that that makes it right, but maybe there is more than race coming into play here....or maybe I'm just being naeive and it's just blatant racism...

*starts making molotovs*

Overheal · 15-10-2007 07:21PM

Wertz wrote: »

Seriously, I'm not too surprised by the allegations being made on this thread....we are not integrating our immigrant population (through faults on BOTH sides) and a ghetto mentality is forming. IMO the problem is only going to keep getting worse...it's the price we pay for unchecked mass immigration.
Has anyone considered the possibility that this is a backlash by immigrant communities against Irish businesses who refused them service in the past?
How long before we're building peace walls in suburban neighbourhoods?

Quoted For Truth.

Worked the same way in the states with black people - the whites persecuted them and now the situation is begining to turn on its head all over again: now there is more black-instigated hatecrime than white-instigated. I remember back in my final american school (a middle school, almost a decade ago) there was a 3/4 black majority - if you got into a fight/got beat up by a black kid, the all-black administration looked at you like a ****ing racist and punished you purely on the word of the black kid. It wasn't until I finally got fed up and accused my Dean of being a racist that it calmed down.

But look at the Irish situation - went to a Turkish Kebab place the other night and had a sit in (great food - Carlow: if you see an abrakebabra, cross the road and go to a real kebab place

) while this group of girls (all 20 somethings) sat there for 30 minutes and did nothing but heckle the Turkish staff for their english and accents. ... <Herr K attacks> ...

But could I blame the Turkish Kebab place if they wanted to put up a sign saying 'no white people'? Hell no - not with people like that.

Trojan911 · 15-10-2007 07:30PM

dodgyme wrote: »

Feckin hell - more details more details

The two lads were complete muppets in my opinion. They robbed a bank using the pointed fingers in the pocket and then tried to make good their escape in a car..... Problem was, the area they entered (Sheerness in Kent) was a one way in, one way out. So plod was waiting for them at the exit of the causeway. It turned out they were two British Army deserters as well, been on the run for ten years from the Army. Their haul..... Less than £3000stg....

The two crack whores were just, in my opinion, not worth looking at... Scabby junkies, how they got business beats me....

TJ911...

Trojan911 · 15-10-2007 07:40PM

Terry wrote: »

Thus begins the ghettoisation of Ireland.

Well, you are correct there. One of the problems in London was the blacks were segregated to a degree that some parts of South London are "Ghettos". The Asians went to East & North London. I can see it happening here also.

Most of my neighbours are Polish and I am on the Residents Assoc for my estate. The Polish residents are always invited to meetings but shun them when they come up. They keep themselves to themselves.

We had a lot of problems with some of them last year with noisy parties etc but that was soon sorted as they were renting and the problem ones were moved off the estate (and I am talking drug dealing allegations as well).

TJ911...

SpAcEd OuT · 15-10-2007 07:54PM

the_syco wrote: »

Meh. Explains the funny looks I got when I walked into a Chinese shop to get a bottle of lucozade. Picture me, in a full length trenchcoat, shaved head, with Slayer blasting out. Shop assistant said something to me, so I waved the bottle in front of her. She said something again, and I pointed the fiver in her direction. There was a pause, and she took the lucozade, scanned it in, and gave me change.

your so cool.

Back on topic I wouldn't look into it too much Irish people are renowned in other countries for refusing to serve non Irish in their many pubs. I was actually in an Irish pub in Australia that had a sign up saying No Dogs, No Blacks, No Asians were just as bad that said theres a club in Crete that had a sign up saying No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish so i quess it works both ways. Racism against dogs is rampant it would seem

syklops · 15-10-2007 08:05PM

You go into a cafe/bar/restaurant in ballsbridge, or ranelagh, or somewhere else, order some food, and the order is wrong, and the person serving you talks little english, and there is a bit of an argument and the manager gets involved, and everyone goes away unhappy. Fair enough. The manager should have made sure his/her staff had the lingo, though, not many Irish people will accept those wages.

You then go into one of the most polish areas in the city, [there are 2 polish restaurants, and a polish supermarket on capel st], and ask them in english for a haircut. Their english is not great, but they are in the polish quarter of the city so it does not necessarily need to be. If you ask them for [enter random hairstyle here] and they get it wrong, you will refuse to pay them, and want a manager, and depending who you are, possibly threaten to sue. Why should they serve you if neither you nor they have the skills to accurately complete the service. They have the right to refuse to serve you. If its because you can not understand them, and they can not understand you, then fair enough. I am pretty sure if you had gone into them, and said:

Czesc, Chcialbym sciac wlosy krotko - okolo jednego centymetra. Nie mowie zbyt dobrze po polsku.

They would have smiled, been pleased you made the effort, and given the haircut as best they could.

There are not half as many acts of racism in this country as gets reported.

cormie · 15-10-2007 08:16PM

the_syco wrote: »

Meh. Explains the funny looks I got when I walked into a Chinese shop to get a bottle of lucozade. Picture me, in a full length trenchcoat, shaved head, with Slayer blasting out. Shop assistant said something to me, so I waved the bottle in front of her. She said something again, and I pointed the fiver in her direction. There was a pause, and she took the lucozade, scanned it in, and gave me change.

Moral of the story: f**k 'em. Ignore what they say, go in, and buy your sh|t. If you're big enough, and listening to angry trash metal, they're not going to say no:cool::D

That's just being rude though. I'm sure that lady would have served you no problem. She was probably saying hello to you or maybe even asking you to remind her if that song was on CD 1 or CD 2 of Decade of Aggression.

There's a Chinese shop up the road from me, they have no problem serving my friend or I, my friend is one of their best customers. My mother is also a great customer to a Polish shop up the road from her.

There's racists in every race.

Cheeky_gal · 15-10-2007 08:29PM

syklops wrote: »

You go into a cafe/bar/restaurant in ballsbridge, or ranelagh, or somewhere else, order some food, and the order is wrong, and the person serving you talks little english, and there is a bit of an argument and the manager gets involved, and everyone goes away unhappy. Fair enough. The manager should have made sure his/her staff had the lingo, though, not many Irish people will accept those wages.

Omg this is sooo true! Ordering lunch now from the likes of O'Brines, Cafe sol, Lemon etc is now a stress cuz they always manage to fck it up! OMG! Went into O'briens and ordered a tuna melt..no strings attached simple as, and what does your one do...puts all the correct ingredients on and then slaps a **** load of chicken mayonnaise on top! I was like "Hold on here, whats this"?? And she goes (really angrily) "you asked for a tuna wrap this is tuna wrap!"....My God! :mad:

syklops · 15-10-2007 08:49PM

Cheeky_girl, I think you knid of missed my point, but anyhoo.

Terry · 15-10-2007 09:30PM

syklops wrote: »

You go into a cafe/bar/restaurant in ballsbridge, or ranelagh, or somewhere else, order some food, and the order is wrong, and the person serving you talks little english, and there is a bit of an argument and the manager gets involved, and everyone goes away unhappy. Fair enough. The manager should have made sure his/her staff had the lingo, though, not many Irish people will accept those wages.

You then go into one of the most polish areas in the city, [there are 2 polish restaurants, and a polish supermarket on capel st], and ask them in english for a haircut. Their english is not great, but they are in the polish quarter of the city so it does not necessarily need to be. If you ask them for [enter random hairstyle here] and they get it wrong, you will refuse to pay them, and want a manager, and depending who you are, possibly threaten to sue. Why should they serve you if neither you nor they have the skills to accurately complete the service. They have the right to refuse to serve you. If its because you can not understand them, and they can not understand you, then fair enough. I am pretty sure if you had gone into them, and said:

Czesc, Chcialbym sciac wlosy krotko - okolo jednego centymetra. Nie mowie zbyt dobrze po polsku.

They would have smiled, been pleased you made the effort, and given the haircut as best they could.

There are not half as many acts of racism in this country as gets reported.

That's complete and utter bollox.

If they want to live here, then they need to speak the language of the majority.
Attitudes like yours just lead to ghettoism and the inherent racism that it brings.

Polish quarter my arse.

Have we learned nothing from our European neighbors?

leninbenjamin · 15-10-2007 09:44PM

Terry wrote: »

That's complete and utter bollox.

If they want to live here, then they need to speak the language of the majority.
Attitudes like yours just lead to ghettoism and the inherent racism that it brings.

Polish quarter my arse.

Have we learned nothing from our European neighbors?

yeah I agree. it's just a cop out really... i shouldn't have to go around with sterling in my pockets if i wanted to buy in one of them big English owned stores like M&S. same principle.

Wertz · 15-10-2007 10:05PM

IMO a decent competency in spoken english should be a pre-requisite to being allowed employment in this country, at least if it's intended that the immigrant is to work in the services sector...but of course, that would probably be some form of descrimination on our behalf, so couldn't be implemented because it's "racist"...oh and because we have no actual entry requirements for EU (or seemingly any nation's) citizens...

Overheal · 15-10-2007 10:15PM

Wertz wrote: »

IMO a decent competency in spoken english should be a pre-requisite to being allowed employment in this country, at least if it's intended that the immigrant is to work in the services sector...but of course, that would probably be some form of descrimination on our behalf, so couldn't be implemented because it's "racist"...oh and because we have no actual entry requirements for EU (or seemingly any nation's) citizens...

would want to have to work in Paris but not get accepted into say, McDonalds, even though 7/10 people that go into a McDonalds in Paris are more than likely english speaking tourists?

They have competency in english - most of us just cant see past the accents (on either side)

Cheeky_gal · 15-10-2007 10:17PM

syklops wrote: »

Cheeky_girl, I think you knid of missed my point, but anyhoo.

k I've re-read your post 3 times and can't see what I'm missing...ah well my comment looked good so I'm happy!

Hobbes · 15-10-2007 10:20PM

Wertz wrote: »

In so far as the polskis go, perhaps (just perhaps) they're offering a polski price to a polski client (as there's obviously enough potential clients) and are leaving the foolish Irish to pay extortionate Irish prices in the Irish salons/barbers?

Well ignoring the fact there are more Irish then Polish, and that doing discount all the time generally isn't good business sense, it is illegal to not have prices displayed in the shop. But you could be onto something as it is very common for countries to do this. Why sure I am guaranteed being Irish going to any Irish shop outside Ireland guarantees me a 20% discount.

Of course what I heard is that Polish are secretly transformers and need special lube to cut their hair. I think that has about as much proof as your story does.

We have gone from refusing to serve to serving but making us pay more then non-Irish. Whats next? Free hair?

mise_me_fein · 15-10-2007 10:21PM

This is the same sh!t as the 20% thread.

Basically, we're not racist as a nation but we're starting to get annoyed at some of the things non nationals are doing that come across as sorta taking liberties, but well, we're not gonna do anything about it, coz well..........we're Irish.

15-10-2007 10:21PM

Haven't been in Ireland in 2 years, but never had a prob. Then again, I would only go to the same person (who knew my hair). Currently go to a hair salon in OC, but always get an appointment for the same person. He is Vietnamese, which I find ironic in a way, cause the USA lost a war fighting them back in the early 70s. Yesterday's enemies are today's friends? No wonder I hate stupid politics!

Hobbes · 15-10-2007 10:22PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

yeah I agree. it's just a cop out really... i shouldn't have to go around with sterling in my pockets if i wanted to buy in one of them big English owned stores like M&S. same principle.

Currency isn't a language, even if money does talk.

Odd I think, but racist?

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