Need help with txts im not sending!

Tazdedub · 08-10-2007 02:05PM

I think the best thing to do here is to call meteor and ask them to provide you list of all the numbers that have been sent a text from your phone. That way you will have proof the that you didn't send the texts from your phone. They should also be able to provide you with all the numbers that have been sent via the web text application. This way you will know where the texts are coming from. This is easy to do so it shouldn't be too much of a problem getting that information.

Also I would do as a lot of others on here suggested and change your number.

Sam Vimes · 08-10-2007 02:31PM

craichoe wrote:

Nope, its really very easy, If you don't believe me PM me your number and i'll send you a message from whoever you like !

yeah i can do that too. That doesn't explain how the cousin apparently texted the op back and the texts didn't arrive on his phone

@Tazdedub, the meteor gives your call records going back 3 months so there's no need to call them for that. He would have to call for the webtext records though

seamus · 08-10-2007 03:04PM

Commander Vimes wrote:

yeah i can do that too. That doesn't explain how the cousin apparently texted the op back and the texts didn't arrive on his phone

Again, disclaimer, I don't know a whole pile about this, but if the previously mentioned IMSI is used for routing (instead of the sender ID) then it's likely the sender is attaching the OP's phone number, but the girl's phone uses the originating IMSI to return the messages.

Either that, or the increasingly likely case that the number is one digit off (or two digits transposed) from the OP's.

Thomas · 08-10-2007 07:06PM

As far as I know on older phones ONLY the last 4 or 5 digits are used to distinguish a number in the phone book. So the cousin could have been receiving msgs from a number with the same last digits as the OP and his name would come up on her screen. Then when she hit reply it would show as sent to his name also even though it was going to the real sender.

littlemizz · 08-10-2007 08:12PM

Commander Vimes wrote:

All this talk of sim card cloning, bluetooth hacking, network manipulation and diverting texts is ridiculous. Its like something out of a james bond film. Its either something simple like the numbers are similar or someones telling porkies, be it the cousin, the fiance messing with the op, or the op himself seeing if someone on boards can come up with a plausible explanation to help him get away with it

judging by your reaction you sound as tho you work for meteor or for the telecoms industry......;)

muboop1 · 08-10-2007 08:38PM

Worried0512 wrote:

Hi All,

Is the following possible:

Somebody is sending my fiances 14 year old female cousin txts from my phone number. i've met the girl twice and dont even have her phone number but it turns out she has being txting who she thought was me and i have even being txting her back, which i havent - ive had no knowledge of this until the gardai phoned me on Saturday night and warned me to stop.

my fiance was in her house today and saw txts from my number. the txts are very obscene and a few have been frightening for the poor girl.

before anyone says it no, im not txting her!

does anyone know of this happening to anyone or know if its even possible....

thanks for the help,
worried0512

hey, i work in carphone warehouse... know alot about phones...
there is realistically only 2 possibilities...

as already said web texts...change ur pin or pass or something... you could easily of been key logged or similar, or a mate just knows and thinks its a great joke...

2 it could be a duplicate sim, these do exsist, if say for example you lost ur phone and someone found your sim, and you got replacement without cancelling the old one... or it was a recycled number but shudnt of been recycled, their can be 2 people with the same sim card and number.,.. gets weird and complicated... usualy this will be discovered quite fast! as ur credit etc will be vanishing! this goes for cloned sims to... you will have lost money on credit account... plus now a days... there are much easier ways to run up nice big bills... u dont need to clone phones..,its just a more risky and much more effort way of doing it...
if you have the brains to clone them... u have the brains to figure this out!

so tbh its most likely the first one...
somebody knows ur pass...

LegacyUser · 08-10-2007 08:41PM

My brother is on meteor and i got a few missed calls from him. When i rang him back he always told me he hadn't rang me. Weird.

I came across a website once for revenge and you can send text messages to any number. As far as i can remember u can enter someone else's number and make the receiver believe its from someone else. Or was it that you can enter a name like Joe Soap and pretend its from him? I dont remember but its 1 of them.

Sam Vimes · 09-10-2007 12:41AM

Thomas wrote:

As far as I know on older phones ONLY the last 4 or 5 digits are used to distinguish a number in the phone book. So the cousin could have been receiving msgs from a number with the same last digits as the OP and his name would come up on her screen. Then when she hit reply it would show as sent to his name also even though it was going to the real sender.

this is true on nokias anyway. If the number is 0861234567 and you call 0871234567 it'll still show up as the persons name. Just tried it on a sony ericsson and it didn 't though

littlemizz wrote:

judging by your reaction you sound as tho you work for meteor or for the telecoms industry......;)

yes i work in the industry

Red Alert · 09-10-2007 09:00AM

I would imagine that this came through webtext but the real question this brings up is who is actually doing the texting? It must be somebody known to both you and her.

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 09-10-2007 09:40AM

could there be a bitter ex-boyfriend of your fiance who is trying to break you up? or maybe some family / friend members who are not in favour of the marriage?

must be an inside job ...

davyjose · 09-10-2007 09:52AM

looks like your phone has been hacked. This is apparently p!ss easy to do with a laptop within range of someone's phone - I read an article on it recently, but can't find the link. You could try the tech forums.
Contact the police and let them know you are suspicious of this, also contact the phone provider ask them if they can track where/when these texts came from (I'm no expert, but it's worth a punt).

This is a really horrible thing to face and it's quite scary. Many of the newer phones have prevention in place to prevent this. If I were you , I'd get one of these and a new number. So that if the messages are sent again (off the old number), you're effectively vindicated.

syklops · 09-10-2007 04:20PM

Hi,

Can I ask the make and model of your phone, and of hers? From this I can tell you whether it is vulnerable to bluetooth attacks.

It could be the webtexts as the meteor site is very easy to get into, though assuming you did not have her number someone who knows you both can be the only culprit.

Your number could also have been gotten from her phone via bluetooth, again they would have to know you and your relationship.

What doesnt sit with me, is this: Why use your number? I suspect this is not someone cloaking their illegal actions, but rather framing you for the drop. Its pretty obvious aswell.

Spoofing the source number of SMS's is almost as easy as spoofing the source address of emails, but I still think there is someone who knows you both who wants to drop you in it. Do you get on with her family? Is there a brother who you dont get on with?

If I was you I would get some technical advice in real life. PM me if you want. I would also get legal advice. If you are close to the family, would they not have talked to your Fiancee before going to the police? Or even confronting you?

Hope this turns out ok for you.

matt-dublin · 09-10-2007 04:50PM

all a bit technical here, are you sure that someone didn't change ur number in her phone book on her phone?

CrazyNoob · 09-10-2007 05:26PM

OP in order to get to the bottom of this, you need to get the 14 year old's phone.

Do so with witnesses, in fact do not handle the phone and let them see where she texted back (if you didnt get those text they must have gone somewhere, and then the perv replies) Thats how you track it down further
Remember comms is a two-way process!!

Also look at the message details she received to check msg center numbers.

At the moment you can only see one side of the comms link look at both and it should point you closer to the answers you seek

masseyno9 · 09-10-2007 10:16PM

Read this tgread a few days ago, and something just occurred to me. I remember a while back a few people figured out how to send texts where instead of them appearing to com from a phone number, they come from a named company/organisation. Sounds complicated so i'll try explain better.

right, when a phone receives a text, it recognises the number it came from and substitutes the name from the phone book. so, text received from 0871234567 appears as from 'joe bloggs.' Now the people who i know used to be able to make it show up a from 'ucd library' and then saying you owe €75 or something (funny, but was only a joke!). It is possible that somebody is doing this 'trick' but instead of putting 'ucd library' in, they put in your name (as it appears in the 14yr old's phone) so it looks like the text is from you. complicated to explain, but i think i did an ok job!

Anyway, this is just another possibility, and i hope you get this sorted.

hullaballoo · 09-10-2007 10:44PM

masseyno9 wrote:

Read this tgread a few days ago, and something just occurred to me. I remember a while back a few people figured out how to send texts where instead of them appearing to com from a phone number, they come from a named company/organisation. Sounds complicated so i'll try explain better.

right, when a phone receives a text, it recognises the number it came from and substitutes the name from the phone book. so, text received from 0871234567 appears as from 'joe bloggs.' Now the people who i know used to be able to make it show up a from 'ucd library' and then saying you owe €75 or something (funny, but was only a joke!). It is possible that somebody is doing this 'trick' but instead of putting 'ucd library' in, they put in your name (as it appears in the 14yr old's phone) so it looks like the text is from you. complicated to explain, but i think i did an ok job!

Anyway, this is just another possibility, and i hope you get this sorted.

I thought of that too, but you can't reply to those texts, I've tried.

My initial thought was that this sounds like a likely story. It's easy to prove the texts didn't come from your phone when they didn't. A print out of your account history would help things for starters. Failing that, meteor will be able to say for definite whether or not the texts came from your phone. If the Gardaí become involved, that will come to light very quickly.

s_carnage · 10-10-2007 03:49PM

hullaball&#250 wrote:

I thought of that too, but you can't reply to those texts, I've tried.

You can actually reply to them texts. It goes back to the person who sent the txt in the first place. That would explain how OP never got any of the texts back to his phone.

LegacyUser · 10-10-2007 05:01PM

there are web apps out there that let you spoof a phone number simply enter the phone number you want the text to appear to come from and the receiver will not know the difference between the real thing I had some of my mates near killing each other sending txts after mad nights out where I knew they wouldn't remember clearly if what they are being accused of doing was true. Just used to stir things up and watch the fireworks (all harmless fun now) the replies however are normally sent to the spoofed number meaning you should have received the txts as this didn't happen in this incident I'd say the said person is using one of the other methods mentioned previously

LegacyUser · 16-10-2007 09:48PM

It should be quite easy to narrow it down to a list of suspects. Somebody who knows both you and your fiance's cousin and is crazy & hateful enough to do it. It can't be a long list.

I have to say though, the fact you say you didn't receive the replies is strange. And it makes me doubt your story. As somebody says the OP could be looking for a way out of this. I hope that's not the case. I know number's can be spoofed but the fact you say you didn't receive the replies is strange.

Need help with txts im not sending!

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