The fat v thin battles rages on

Terry · 27-08-2007 04:18PM

Spyral wrote:

I've also found that most people who tease other people generally do it to make up for personal inadequacies - otherwise they would feel no need to make fun of said person.

I'll have to disagree with that one.
Sometimes people do it because it's really funny.

Sangre · 27-08-2007 04:19PM

This is the problem with society. The lack of education on diets, exercise and healthy body maintaince is outstanding. Even the title of the thread says it all.

It should read 'healthy vs unhealthy'. Something which bodyfat can be related to be its hardly exclusive.

Also people who eat loads, dont exercise and are still skinny usually have the worst bodies of all. Skinny yet pudgy, no definition and as soft as a babys arse. Weak as kittens as well and struggle on stairs. Yeah, I really envy that.

seamus · 27-08-2007 04:20PM

I don't think there's any real debate here. 99% of people will accept that the most attractive people range from slightly underweight to slightly overweight. Anyone who thinks super-skinny or super-heavy is "the best" is obviously a moron.

curiousxxx1 · 27-08-2007 04:43PM

Fortunately i am a size 14, at some stage in my life i was a 10 and i looked really sick.... I am African and with that the hips, butts and boobs are a MUST!!!! I hate buying jeans that fit on the hips but too big at the waist.. Life is a bi***
I have stopped complaining..... i reckon we should all STOP too
Don't forget for these celebs we keep comparing ourselves to, it is their career at stake... They are selling a package...If only we could all pay a personal trainer then i bet we would be HOTTER than Brad Pitt or Jessica Simpson

Duggy747 · 27-08-2007 05:04PM

Obviously I don't eat like a monster, as much as I'd love to with all the delicious foods out there, yum yum.................eh, anyways every weekend I'm a sirlone steak (Fridays), lamb chops (Saturdays), bacon (Sundays) and potato guy. During the week my usual intake consists of Pasta, Rice (egg-fried or bits of veggie with that), beans (can never have too much beans!), chicken, and fancy sandwiches I make. Then there's also the usual gobbling of some Goodfellas pizzas too which, honestly, I'm eating too much of. The only sweets I'll eat is the occasional Moro

I'm thin but not pudgy or out of ratio sort-of-thing. I'm just (I'm stressing the just here!) above average tone and I've pretty big, tight biceps for my physique though that can go down to weights I did during school and work.

Dudess · 27-08-2007 05:04PM

layke wrote:

Which are you dudess? Pictures please

Unbalanced. Size 10 below the waist, 12 above the hips. Slim with curves on the upper body. Apple-shaped. That's good because it means an ample rack, bad because it means a tendency towards a bit of sticky-out stomach.

Wibbs wrote:

Well funny enough...... Maybe that's the real diet that men should be promoting in the womenfolk. Exercise and a good source of zinc.

With a marketing pitch like that, I'd do it!

Blush_01 wrote:

Dudess, I didn't really see how the article was full of the "usual bitter and jealous "thin people are so horrible", "I'm proud to be big" crap". It didn't laud being overweight, just as it didn't praise being severely underweight.

Sorry Blush, I was half asleep when I wrote that opening post. What I mean is, there are individuals featured in the article who are blowing on about how proud they are to be heavy, and how slim women are nasty. I'm not saying it's the sentiment of the journalist, just that people saying those things are interviewed in it.

Niamho! · 27-08-2007 05:36PM

woah! hahaha. you just practically described me there Dudess when you were describing yourself. my stomach is not too big though thank god. plus im workin on makin it Flatter!
im not happy though. i never am. thankfully i dont gain weight really and if i do its a couple of lbs and doesnt take much to get rid. but im still ALWAYS trying to lose weight. im a tad obsessed i think. im not overweight either im pretty much in my Healthy weight range, closer to the minimum infact. but never happy. i think most girls aren't ever happy with what they've got.

SimpleSam06 · 27-08-2007 05:36PM

krazy_8s wrote:

2 pieces of toast with jam at 10, a plate of spicy wedges with chicken and a triple decker sandwich at 1:30. I'm going to be having a chipper on the way home, and a toasty or something similar around a hour or two after.

I wouldn't call that an excessively fattening daily diet, although you will gain weight on it, so long as you are fairly active in your daily routine, which you say you are. A lot has to do with age as well; people in their teens are still growing, so the energy is diverted towards physical (upwards) growth, to a certain extent. Depending on how much exercise you partake in, it can take years for a debilitating diet to make its effects known. This may have lent itself to the myth of the "thin fat people", and myth it is.

As they say, "Nature gives you the face you have at twenty. Life shapes the face you have at thirty. But at fifty you get the face you deserve."

I eat a very varied diet myself, rarely if ever junk food or sodas, and although heavily built, I could in no way be described as overweight (it's mostly muscle). Again, you can pin that on exercise. If I start munching on heavy stuff or indulging in tasty fry-ups every morning, however, the weight piles on in a hurry.

Crumble Froo · 27-08-2007 05:38PM

im with dudess and niamho mostly there.

Niamho! · 27-08-2007 05:41PM

narco wrote:

im with dudess and niamho mostly there.

are you happy enough with your Bod?

Crumble Froo · 27-08-2007 05:44PM

nope, but recovering from eating disorders, so reminding myself how much worse it could be, how sick trying too hard to change it will make me, and how much more worthwhile life is when im not worrying about that kinda shít.

Attol · 27-08-2007 06:04PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote:

And according to the dove ads, ye have to be at least slightly chunky to be a real woman. They seem to assume that all people that aren't as fat as them are fake evil people, maybe they just eat right and exercise, or maybe, shock horror they are naturally thin.

Eh, that's not true. They've ads with all shapes in them. You seen the new Deodorant ads? They're all skinny in that.

Dudess · 28-08-2007 12:27AM

Yeah, but Dove has that "Campaign for Real Beauty" thing going on - using bigger-than-average models, also women in their 50s and 60s (the "Pro-Age" campaign). How noble of them. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that this makes Dove stand out from the rest of the cosmetic companies, and therefore it will help increase sales of Dove products.
I'm all for being positive about age and the non-perfect body, but not for some cynical marketing campaign.

One thing I don't understand though: why the unbelievable thinness of catwalk models? I'm not talking slim, I'm talking starved-looking, on a par with a concentration camp survivor in some pictures (I'm not exaggerating). Why do designers want half-dead people advertising their product? Surely it will look better on slim yet curvy girls? (Heidi Klum and Naomi Campbell are the only examples of such models that I can think of).

seamus · 28-08-2007 09:25AM

Dudess wrote:

Yeah, but Dove has that "Campaign for Real Beauty" thing going on - using bigger-than-average models, also women in their 50s and 60s (the "Pro-Age" campaign). How noble of them. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that this makes Dove stand out from the rest of the cosmetic companies, and therefore it will help increase sales of Dove products.

Well, maybe. Maybe not. I've heard girls say that if a company isn't using a hot (female) model in their ads, then it turns them off the product - like that ad for Veet wax with that woman with the horrific bowl haircut. Something to do with appealing to the inner, "I want to be like her" that many women suffer from. If you use an ugly model, nobody wants to be like her.

That said, Dove still doesn't use ugly women. The normal-sized women are hot, and the 50 and 60 year old are respectable.

justsomebloke · 28-08-2007 09:35AM

I have to say I'd hit most of the girls in the real women dove ad's before most of the skinny women

Floppybits · 28-08-2007 10:12AM

This is an interesting debate. My own two cents is that diets are a waste of time, in my humble opinion to be healthy you have to keep a balance. My rule is you can eat what you want but you have to be prepared to put in the time to exercise so that you can eat what you want.

The best diet is a balanced one, make sure you have your breakfast firstly and not a fry up, then a light lunch and good dinner making sure you get in your veggies. Then at the weekend you can have the chippers and the take aways but then go for a walk.

I myself prefer someone who is neither fat nor skinny but somewhere in between. I once went out with a skinny girl despite warning from my mates that I was making a mistake, then came the night we were going to get down to some hanky panky and she removed her clothes and thats when the little fella wouldn't come out to play. Was so embarrassing but I learned my lesson.

Niamho! · 28-08-2007 10:18AM

will a spark yet another debate by saying i think men are more Fussy about Womens bodies than women are about Mens Bodies?? well i think they are. men can be fookers when it comes to that. skinny model-like figures and all but most girls i know dont go for that Buff man look.....

Dragan · 28-08-2007 10:24AM

Dudess wrote:

One thing I don't understand though: why the unbelievable thinness of catwalk models? I'm not talking slim, I'm talking starved-looking, on a par with a concentration camp survivor in some pictures (I'm not exaggerating). Why do designers want half-dead people advertising their product?

It kicked off in the 80's , when nearly every major fashion designer in the world was a gay man.....and as such they were designing clothers for a thin man's body, that would just happen to be modelled by a woman.

Hence you have the whole adrogenous look that goes on now. It's all ****ed up in my opinion.

As for people who think they eat a lot, you kind don't, this is eating a lot.

08:00 6 egg whites, two whole eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, onions, bowl of porridge, piece of fruit.
10:00 Whey Protein Shake
12:00 Chicken/Beef with assorted veg like brocolli, sprouts, caluliflower, spinach, sweetcorn, carrots etc.
14:30 , same as above.
16:00 , chicken and beef with veg and rice
19:30 , shake with protein and carbs
20:30 , fish/chicken/beef with veg and rice
23:00 , shake with milk, whey protein and cottage cheese.

Thats eating a lot.

Dragan · 28-08-2007 10:25AM

Niamho! wrote:

will a spark yet another debate by saying i think men are more Fussy about Womens bodies than women are about Mens Bodies?? well i think they are. men can be fookers when it comes to that. skinny model-like figures and all but most girls i know dont go for that Buff man look.....

You go for what you want to go for, as an individual i would have thought?

Niamho! · 28-08-2007 10:29AM

Dragan wrote:

You go for what you want to go for, as an individual i would have thought?

Yeah but in my Experience i think Generally men are fussier. seems to be the way its always been. in my opinion....

seamus · 28-08-2007 10:37AM

Niamho! wrote:

will a spark yet another debate by saying i think men are more Fussy about Womens bodies than women are about Mens Bodies?? well i think they are. men can be fookers when it comes to that. skinny model-like figures and all but most girls i know dont go for that Buff man look.....

Men would probably be more self-conscious about how their partner appears to their mates than perhaps a woman would. That is, a guy might be worried about what his mates think about his slightly chubby girlfriend, whereas a woman would be more than happy to justify her slightly chubby boyfriend on account of him being a great guy. Her mates will be happy with that.

In general though, you'll find that men and women are about as fussy as eachother. As I said before, anything from slightly skinny to slightly chubby, goes for 99% of people. Too skinny or too fat will make you unattractive to most of the opposite sex. Men don't demand a supermodel any more than women demand a footballer.

Piste · 28-08-2007 10:38AM

I don't care about weightm, I care about look, I'd rather be toned and slim with curves in all the right places and be an unheathy weight than look like a bag of bones or a wobbly tub and be a healthy weight.

Imho I really don't have the nicest bod but aparently I have a heathy weight, boo-urns I say, I wouldn't mind losing a couple of inches!

Dragan · 28-08-2007 10:39AM

Niamho! wrote:

Yeah but in my Experience i think Generally men are fussier. seems to be the way its always been. in my opinion....

Ever been to Coppers?

Fussy doesn't come into it for 95% of blokes from what i can see.

Niamho! · 28-08-2007 10:43AM

Dragan wrote:

Ever been to Coppers?

Fussy doesn't come into it for 95% of blokes from what i can see.

Good point! lol

Floppybits · 28-08-2007 11:01AM

Niamho maybe you are going for the wrong types.

Some men are fussy about women because of what their mates think. Then there are some women who wont go out with blokes because they dont earn enough money in their eyes or who dont drive a certain car. All swings a roundabouts if you ask me.

I was in copper face jacks once and I am wondering is always that dark inside especially the bit downstairs.

Niamho! · 28-08-2007 11:23AM

i dunno.... i dont think its a "type" at all..... maybe its al in my head though.

Dudess · 28-08-2007 11:35AM

I don't know. I think women can be guilty of appalling body fascism against their fellow women.

Niamho! · 28-08-2007 11:36AM

Dudess wrote:

I don't know. I think women can be guilty of appalling body fascism against their fellow women.

That they most certainly can!

Reku · 28-08-2007 01:16PM

Dudess wrote:

Yeah, but Dove has that "Campaign for Real Beauty" thing going on - using bigger-than-average models, also women in their 50s and 60s (the "Pro-Age" campaign). How noble of them. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that this makes Dove stand out from the rest of the cosmetic companies, and therefore it will help increase sales of Dove products.
I'm all for being positive about age and the non-perfect body, but not for some cynical marketing campaign.

Don't forget, who would be cheaper to hire for a photo shoot/advert, a professional/semi-professional model or Jane Doe?

The fat v thin battles rages on

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