Manchester United Transfer Rumours/Discussion 2007/2008

kaisersose77 · 05-08-2007 05:18PM

Tauren wrote:

well i've been hoping rooney or giggs would take the ones from about 25 for the last two years and it hasn't happened.

Giggs is just as bad, he'd barely reach the 6 yard box. Hopefully Tevez signs and scares the **** out of Ronaldo and takes over all the free kicks. I'd say Anderson takes free kicks aswell.

PHB · 05-08-2007 05:24PM

Anderson and Hargreaves will take over a lot of them, the closer ones. Anything more than 27 yards out will be Ronaldos.

Necronomicon · 05-08-2007 06:28PM

Tauren wrote:

Well Tevez had his first training session in about a month on friday - no chance of it. Hargreaves has only played 45minutes after injury, was highly unlikely. Anderson has only been training for a week, only 45minutes and tweeked his hamstring, was always unlikely. Nani was the only one of the 4 i reckoned had a real chance of playing, and he is on the bench.

Well I pretty much guessed Tevez wouldn't be able to play, it was more of a hope. Hadn't heard until I got home that Anderson did his hamstring in. How did he play in his debut? I saw a clip of Hargreaves playing, he looked like he was settling right in.

Mitch Connor · 05-08-2007 06:30PM

Necromomicon wrote:

Well I pretty much guessed Tevez wouldn't be able to play, it was more of a hope. Hadn't heard until I got home that Anderson did his hamstring in. How did he play in his debut? I saw a clip of Hargreaves playing, he looked like he was settling right in.

didn't see the game anderson played in, but i'm told he looked pretty good. Some nice touches and inventive passing. decent amount of tracking back too - which is good to hear.

Mr Alan · 05-08-2007 06:32PM

PHB wrote:

Why? That free kick got us a goal against Liverpool.

Well that wasn't even a foul that led to that free kick in the first place! but thats another point altogether

Not doubting once in a blue moon something will come from one of them, but the fact is that its wasteful to do it all the time.

PHB · 05-08-2007 06:49PM

Seems to work in some cases, and it's working more and more as time goes on.

evad_lhorg · 06-08-2007 11:15AM

i dont know how anyone can stick up for Ronaldo and his style of free kick taking. its hit and hope and that is all. Was watching him in Wembley before the community shield and he was practicing from 30 yards out and out of 10 or 15 kicks he hit the target once and it was straight down the middle. He is a joke. the sooner Tevez starts playing the better.

PHB · 06-08-2007 11:18AM

I don't think it's great currently, but it's not as terrible as people make out, and it's getting better. Practice makes perfect and I have no doubt he can reach the heights of Juninho.

evad_lhorg · 06-08-2007 11:54AM

ah now come on. he is crap. his goal rate from free kicks is absolutely awful. he cant hit the target most of the time.

meathman 007 · 06-08-2007 12:24PM

yea if we are lucky he gets about 1 in 15/20 shots..... tevez and hargreaves are free takers so i hope one of them has the balls to take the ball of ronaldo this season.....

kaisersose77 · 06-08-2007 12:55PM

How can you stick up for him! The amount of .... you talk is unbelievable. Your last 2/3 posts are mind boggling. If you actually watch him for 90 mins, he's ****e for most of it and then does a bit of skill or scores a goal, and then he gets 9/10 in the papers. The way he played yesterday is the way he is nearly every match. If he was playing abroad, the English media wouldnt care one bit about him. If Keane was still at the club he wouldnt have being taking too many free kicks last season. When he leaves I wont care one bit as they'll probably replace him with someone who actually does something for more than 10 mins.

fortuneg · 06-08-2007 12:56PM

PHB wrote:

I don't think it's great currently, but it's not as terrible as people make out, and it's getting better. Practice makes perfect and I have no doubt he can reach the heights of Juninho.

Someone needs to put down the crack pipe, he's hopeless at free kicks.
As Evadlhorg said during the warmups prior to the shield he took at least 10 free kicks from ~25+ yards out, one of them went straight down the middle into Shaggys arms, EVERY SINGLE other one went high and wide & i don't mean marginally wide i mean WAY off, these were all straight infront of the goal aswell.
During the match he also took 3(-4?) I remember one straight into the wall, one high and wide & one straight at the keeper.
He needs to stop buying into his own hype and cut that ego down a notch

leninbenjamin · 06-08-2007 01:18PM

allowing Ronaldo take free kicks week in week out is one of Ferguson most glaring tactical errors. it's nothing more than a farce, although i'm sure it has something to do with satisfying that boy's ego.

fortuneg · 06-08-2007 01:19PM

leninbenjamin wrote:

allowing Ronaldo take free kicks week in week out is one of Ferguson most glaring tactical errors. it's nothing more than a farce, although i'm sure it has something to do with satisfying that boy's ego.

True, i'm sure he does it to keep Ronaldo happy for as long as possible

Dave! · 06-08-2007 01:40PM

Yeah his free kicks are atrocious. Hopefully Tevez will take over.

PHB · 06-08-2007 04:26PM

kaisersose77 wrote:

How can you stick up for him! The amount of .... you talk is unbelievable. Your last 2/3 posts are mind boggling. If you actually watch him for 90 mins, he's ****e for most of it and then does a bit of skill or scores a goal, and then he gets 9/10 in the papers.

That's one of the stupidest things anyone has ever said ever. If anything, the problem with Ronaldo has never been with his general play but his end product. It must be the papers who are wrong, it must be all the players who talk about him, it must be all the coaches who rave about him, it couldn't possibly be you who are completely delusional.

In terms of his freekicks, I think letting him take them from about 25 yards is a decent enough idea. He scores about 2-3 a season so far, and we get about 2-3 more goals from the keeper not dealing with them due to the pace. Ultimately, he is no Beckham, but not that many people have that sort of goal ratio.
He currently is not great at them, and I'd say that about 1/3 go close to the goal/in the goal, but he is improving. I have no doubt that in the future he will get to the levels of Juninho, in which case, I'm happy to deal with the **** part of it now. It's part of the learning process.
Do you think Ronaldo doesn't realise the level of free kicks he is at? He knows how good he is at them currently, and so does Fergie. They don't do it just cause. Aside from the fact that Rooney/Giggs aren't any better at them, he allows it because he wants to let him improve at them, and get to a higher level. This might change with Hargreaves/Nani/Anderson/Tevez in the team

I would like the closer kicks to be taken by somebody else, most likely Hargreves or possibly Tevez, and I would like more of the byline ones to be whipped in by somebody like Nani, but in terms of the 25+ yard ones, let him take them.

RasTa · 06-08-2007 04:31PM

kaisersose77 wrote:

How can you stick up for him! The amount of .... you talk is unbelievable. Your last 2/3 posts are mind boggling. If you actually watch him for 90 mins, he's ****e for most of it and then does a bit of skill or scores a goal, and then he gets 9/10 in the papers.

That is probaly the dumbest thing I have ever read on boards in regards to a player. Actually go to a match and watch him play.

fortuneg · 06-08-2007 05:00PM

PHB wrote:

Do you think Ronaldo doesn't realise the level of free kicks he is at? He knows how good he is at them currently, and so does Fergie. They don't do it just cause. Aside from the fact that Rooney/Giggs aren't any better at them, he allows it because he wants to let him improve at them, and get to a higher level

He obviously doesn't, do you honestly think he would insist on squandering so many good free kick oppertunities if he knew what level he was at.

In order for a free kick to be successful it first has to either be on target, or placed into a dangerous area so one of your players can get onto the end of it or an opposition player makes a mistake and puts it in their own net.

For either of these the first requirement is accuracy, something a blind swamp donkey could see Ronaldo does not have in abundance.
So the solution to this is to give the man a ball and a goal with a target in it and get him to practice there, NOT in the middle of an important match where so many advanced postitions are wasted every game.

By the way what makes you believe Ronaldo will be as good as Juninho one day? Because if you're basing this on what you've seen in the past then we've obviously been watching completely different Ronaldo's!

kaisersose77 · 06-08-2007 05:04PM

I saw him play every match last season whether it being on Art Sports or in Old Trafford. I must looking at the wrong player then, i'll try to get it right this season and watch this amazing player.

PHB · 06-08-2007 05:08PM

By the way what makes you believe Ronaldo will be as good as Juninho one day? Because if you're basing this on what you've seen in the past then we've obviously been watching completely different Ronaldo's!

Potential. He has been able to improve every other area of his game, why not this one?

do you honestly think he would insist on squandering so many good free kick oppertunities if he knew what level he was at.

He used to do lots of tricks that didn't work. He kept trying them until they did work. When they did work, he was unstoppable. I think the same thing will happen with his free kicks.

Paul Tergat · 06-08-2007 05:19PM

kaisersose77 wrote:

When he leaves I wont care one bit as they'll probably replace him with someone who actually does something for more than 10 mins.

ha ha, this gave me a good laugh

to say that you wouldn't care if he left is silly - the amount of points he won for us last season and the fact that he pulls 2 or 3 defenders away whenever he has the ball shows how other teams fear him. oh, he's still a young player who will still learn an awful lot!

i agree that he should not take free kicks from anywhere on the pitch (he is an asset in the air so i think he ought to be in the box when we're not shooting)

~Rebel~ · 06-08-2007 05:25PM

I cant help thinking it just doesnt make any sense. its a team sport, he doesn't need to be able to do everything on the pitch. yes if he practices non stop he has a decent chance of getting better at them (as good as juninho im not so sure, Juninho is a genius at set pieces and i think its safe to say theres a lot of natural talent to go with the practice), which brings me to my next point. yeah Ronaldo was having trouble with some tricks and improved them that little bit to get them to work, but he was pretty close already, he had the natural talent meaning he was on the cusp of making them work. At free's however from what i've seen, he's very very far away, he doesn't seem any better at them then any other random player, so for me it makes no sense to focus on trying to force a skill he shows little natural talent at when other players who do have natural ability at free's will improve faster and almost certainly reach a higher level. Admittedly United havent had those players up to now, but now they do, Tevez being the prime example. It just makes more sense to me to get the best natural freetaker, and have them doing all the practicing rather then Ronaldo.

fortuneg · 06-08-2007 05:30PM

PHB wrote:

Potential. He has been able to improve every other area of his game, why not this one?

Can't say i've seen any with regards to freekick taking

PHB wrote:

He used to do lots of tricks that didn't work. He kept trying them until they did work. When they did work, he was unstoppable.

Now there you could see the potential!

Entirely agree with Rebel

Blowfish · 06-08-2007 05:34PM

fortuneg wrote:

Can't say i've seen any with regards to freekick taking

I dunno, the swerve he tends to get on them has confused several keepers. If he managed to do that regularly it would definitely be useful.

I'd still prefer to have someone else take the closer ones though

DSB · 06-08-2007 05:52PM

kaisersose77 wrote:

How can you stick up for him! The amount of .... you talk is unbelievable. Your last 2/3 posts are mind boggling. If you actually watch him for 90 mins, he's ****e for most of it and then does a bit of skill or scores a goal, and then he gets 9/10 in the papers. The way he played yesterday is the way he is nearly every match. If he was playing abroad, the English media wouldnt care one bit about him. If Keane was still at the club he wouldnt have being taking too many free kicks last season. When he leaves I wont care one bit as they'll probably replace him with someone who actually does something for more than 10 mins.

Hahahahahaha

PHB · 06-08-2007 05:53PM

~Rebel~ wrote:

Admittedly United havent had those players up to now, but now they do, Tevez being the prime example. It just makes more sense to me to get the best natural freetaker, and have them doing all the practicing rather then Ronaldo.

Yeh fair enough, he doesn't need to do everything. I think he has the ability to master it though. I think the ideal situation for next year is,

inside 25 yards : Tevez/Hargreaves
outside 25 yards: Ronaldo
byline: Nani/Carrick
Corners: Nani/Carrick

Paul Tergat · 06-08-2007 06:09PM

~Rebel~ wrote:

I cant help thinking it just doesnt make any sense. its a team sport, he doesn't need to be able to do everything on the pitch. yes if he practices non stop he has a decent chance of getting better at them (as good as juninho im not so sure, Juninho is a genius at set pieces and i think its safe to say theres a lot of natural talent to go with the practice), which brings me to my next point. yeah Ronaldo was having trouble with some tricks and improved them that little bit to get them to work, but he was pretty close already, he had the natural talent meaning he was on the cusp of making them work. At free's however from what i've seen, he's very very far away, he doesn't seem any better at them then any other random player, so for me it makes no sense to focus on trying to force a skill he shows little natural talent at when other players who do have natural ability at free's will improve faster and almost certainly reach a higher level. Admittedly United havent had those players up to now, but now they do, Tevez being the prime example. It just makes more sense to me to get the best natural freetaker, and have them doing all the practicing rather then Ronaldo.

nail on the head

nani looks like he can take a mean corner too!

kaisersose77 · 06-08-2007 09:58PM

taken from man utd 606 board

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/75972584.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19328A71BF6FE301F7D27510159938C21AE

evad_lhorg · 06-08-2007 09:59PM

scores 2-3 free kicks a season?!?! he has scored no more than 5 for us competitively... compared to how many taken? how many are blasted into the wall or miles over? the majority. He just runs and blasts. There is no denying he is our star player but he is not a free kick taker. he just blasts it which leaves next to no accuracy. as I said he couldnt even challenge VDS while practicing. he stood ran and blasted into the crowd by a good way... and thats with no pressure or no wall. yet Rooney was there banging in his 25 yard dead balls. it doesnt make any sense. The free kicks he has scored look good because its the fluky rare one that is on target and because its hit with such power it swerves like crazy but jesus youre blind if you can say he is good at it and he is getting better because he hasnt improved whatsoever. carrick could hit a better free kick.

fortuneg · 07-08-2007 12:51AM

I would actually like to see Carrick try his luck at some of the closer range free's we get.
He certainly can pick a pass and some of his efforts on goal over the latter part of last season were promising, then there was that Roma goal.
(He also had a nice effort against Chelsea in the Shield which just curled wide)

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