What do we have to fear from current "terrorism"?

Nick_oliveri · 14-07-2007 07:27PM

God Al-queda are in Iraq now.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Insurgents_in_Iraq_same_as_0712.html

Q Sir, on that point, what evidence can you present to the American people that the people who attacked the United States on September 11th are in fact the same people who are responsible for the bombings taking place in Iraq? What evidence can you present? And also, are you saying, sir, that al Qaeda in Iraq is the same organization being run by Osama bin Laden himself?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Al Qaeda in Iraq has sworn allegiance to Osama bin Laden. And, you know, the guys who perpetuated the attacks on America, obviously the guys on the airplane are dead, and the commanders -- many of those are either dead or in captivity, like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

nacho libre · 15-07-2007 12:19AM

Nick_oliveri wrote:

God Al-queda are in Iraq now.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Insurgents_in_Iraq_same_as_0712.html

political expediency, much?

they are **now**. What he omitted to mention is the insurgency consists of disparate groups with different goals to Al-Qaeda. I'm surprised he didn't mention specifically the Sunni tribesmen who have turned on Al-Qaeda in Anbar. These are the same tribesmen who were attacking American forces up till last year in Anbar and were described as terrorists at that time.

Nick_oliveri · 15-07-2007 02:53AM

Ah now George Bush never lied. We are spreading freedom throughout the middle east!

Of course theres Al Qeada insurgents in Iraq.....linked to 9/11. They have proof....

Jackie laughlin · 15-07-2007 03:34PM

Bush's madness/badness is not a reason for believing that Islamic terrorism is not a threat.

Nick_oliveri · 15-07-2007 06:33PM

Yes we all know that. But we cant fecking tell without the proper intelligence where they shall strike. Political-gain fearmongering does not help the situation and only serves them (polititians) and not us.

As a terrorist, potential gains can be seen with the current climate. Terrorism seems to work because we are scared of it and the media portrays it like its coming now anytime soon, maybe tomorrow....

Now we have simple mechanisms for terror like cars filled with household items (nails etc.) and petrol rather than planes hitting buildings or suicide bombers striking rail systems and buses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJZqtta3c4

aidan24326 · 16-07-2007 01:00AM

Mike65 and InFront of course I'm not saying all terrorism is Bush and Blair's fault, or that it could ever be simplified as much as that. I'm well aware there are tensions in the middle east that are separate from the current war (if you could call it that).

But, the point is you don't become a terrorist target for no reason. The IRA weren't bombing in England just because they were loonies who liked bombing things. Equally if the USA and Britain today have become terrorist targets it's because they've created a situation (with their warmongering) that has made them widely hated in the Arab world.

The lesson being, if you don't want 'terrorists' to bomb you, don't fcuk around with their country. Don't start illegal wars, don't occupy nations who don't want you there, don't pillage resources(something the English had been doing for centuries)

It's notable that nobody wants to bomb Switzerland, I don't recall any Muslim fanatics blowing anything up in Berne or Basle recently. People can give all the complex reasons they want for terrorism and no doubt many of them may be valid but fact is if you persist in screwing around with other countries (as the US have been doing for decades) you are going to piss off alot of people. Though the whole 'al-qaeda' threat is still undoubtedly exaggerated.

Jackie laughlin · 17-07-2007 11:57AM

Aidan,
Northern Ireland remains part of the UK but now with IRA support.

The 9/11 attacks pre-dated Afghanistan and Iraq.

I hope you are not wearing any cheap clothing produced in the 3rd world while you are getting hot under the collar about British imperialism.

togster · 17-07-2007 12:39PM

Jackie laughlin wrote:

Aidan,
Northern Ireland remains part of the UK but now with IRA support.

The 9/11 attacks pre-dated Afghanistan and Iraq.

I hope you are not wearing any cheap clothing produced in the 3rd world while you are getting hot under the collar about British imperialism.

I dont ever remember the IRA supporting continued British control of Northern Ireland. I agree with Aidan often these issues get over analyzed. There is a reason that these terrorist organisations detest america. Its not simply that they don't like their values. America has been meddling in the middle east for many years. I think its support of Israel has alot to do with it. The simple lesson to be learnt is if you don't want to get messed with dont mess with them.

MrPudding · 17-07-2007 04:41PM

Wicknight wrote:

These things do not trigger the response of "OH HOLY F**KING S**T!!" (to quote the Onion),

Nobody says it like the onion. I think this one sums the whole thing up nicely:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39374

The stupid security measures we see int he airports are to help the idiots of our society believe they are safe. Seriously, it is a sad day when our air safety is based on the terrrorist poor math skills.

MrP

stovelid · 17-07-2007 05:06PM

togster wrote:

Its not simply that they don't like their values. America has been meddling in the middle east for many years.

One question.

(Not attacking you. I agree about the meddling)

Do you think this dislike of American values would exist if the meddling had not occurred?

togster · 26-07-2007 01:36PM

stovelid wrote:

One question.

(Not attacking you. I agree about the meddling)

Do you think this dislike of American values would exist if the meddling had not occurred?

To a certain extent yes. However the problem is deeply rooted in american foreign policy and the image of an "all conquering nation". Hatred towards America had been cultivated many years ago in conflicts all around the world and accentuated recently by the invasion of Iraq. The use of the Atomic Bomb in Japan being of notable interest. The "arrogance" perpetuated by such events has created a cemented sense of loathing towards all things American not just by extremists but by many "westerners" too.

Saint Ruth · 27-07-2007 12:21PM

aidan24326 wrote:

But... the point is you don't become a terrorist target for no reason. The IRA weren't bombing in England just because they were loonies who liked bombing things. Equally if the USA and Britain today have become terrorist targets it's because they've created a situation (with their warmongering) that has made them widely hated in the Arab world.

Of course they have their reasons.

No one gets murdered for no reason, but that doesn't excuse it.

Saint Ruth · 27-07-2007 12:23PM

What do we have to fear from current "terrorism"?

Getting blow up in an airplane, bus, train, or office block.

Nick_oliveri · 27-07-2007 12:35PM

The likelyhood of that happening to you is on the verge of being astronomical. Do you live in Ireland Saint Ruth?

What does this nation have to fear is the better question.
Answer: Feck all. Dont believe the hype.

Saint Ruth · 27-07-2007 12:44PM

Nick_oliveri wrote:

The likelyhood of that happening to you is on the verge of being astronomical. Do you live in Ireland Saint Ruth?

You're right, but I presumed he was talking about the UK as he talking about "that government "counter-terrorism" ?"

I mean, if we're talking only about Ireland, what government "counter-terrorism" is he talking about?

Nick_oliveri · 27-07-2007 01:04PM

Yes, the standard of "counter terrorism" in the US and UK is insane. As is the fearmongering.

7/7 was one of those days that people wish to forget, but if you are talking about getting blown up, even in a UK sense, its still incredibly unlikely to happen... again the chances are almost astronomical (yes i like that word!!

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People got blown up for years, be it the IRA or whoever. Nothings changed only the way it is portrayed and dramaticised on the media and the security and "terrorist" rights restrictions.

In the UK sense, fear the floods, fear the fearmongering, fear the global warming, dont believe the hype... and eh bring the boys back home.

InFront · 27-07-2007 08:49PM

Saint Ruth wrote:

I mean, if we're talking only about Ireland, what government "counter-terrorism" is he talking about?

Police here make no secret of the fact that they do carry out surveillance operations in this regard, there have been a significant number of raids on homes of Muslims in Dublin and in fact there are a number of individuals whose homes have been raided on a ridiculously frequent basis. Of course, they've found absolutely nothing in these raids.
I'm not suggesting there shouldn't then be any raids or police searches, it's just that special branch do carry out these activities, and given the fact that nothing has ever been reported to have been found they do seem a bit baseless, and what's more most people don't seem to realise this is happening or that some individuals feel unfairly targeted.

There is a good relationship between the police and the Muslim community as far as I can see, but it's probably not a good idea to be making the same mistake at the British and the French police services, for example, in this regard.

Nick_oliveri · 27-07-2007 09:18PM

Doing random shakedowns on random Muslims in Ireland or anywhere else is teeth grindingly stupid and tbh it makes me want to kick the f*ck out of whatever knob that orders these shakedowns.

When the world goes to shíte theres always some scapegoat they look for, be it the Jews, (who some still bame for 9/11 lol !!!) Muslims, Russians or whoever else.

Great times we live in altogether.

What do we have to fear from current "terrorism"?

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