Emilos Beetle

Guitar1979 · 25-06-2007 12:18PM #1

I have just got in touch with Emilos regarding a price on a new lick of paint for a 1974 VM Beetle. I swear it was like pulling teeth. The guy wouldnt give me a straight answer. In order words the was a dick.. Sorry but its true..
He said i would have to bring the car into the garage for him to look at. Now all i wanted for him was a ball park figure on how much this would cost.

That's the last time i will ring them. I only wanted to know roughly how much it would cost. I am thinking of buying a particular Beetle but it needs a total respray.

Is this the norm when ringing around for re-spray quotes? i am pretty new to this..

deckie27 · 25-06-2007 12:28PM

Well i suppose he would need to see how much prepartion work would be required
A paint job is only as good as the work done before you paint it
Like theres no point spraying over crap and little dents etc.

TomMc · 25-06-2007 12:35PM

You are forgetting that some people in the trade are much too professional to give a rough quote over the phone. In otherwords they would have to see the car in person so as to get an idea of how much preparation work is involved on what is an old vehicle. They could see the early tell tale signs of rot that a mere mortal would not and if they take pride in their work would not be prepared to dumb down to a cheap respray cutting corners. Anyway, if you call in person I'm sure they will give you far more serious attention.

Guitar1979 · 25-06-2007 01:03PM

Yea i totally agree with you regarding professionalism but i specifically told him that all i need is a re-spray, nothing else. I agree with what both of you are saying but i think he could have gave me figure. I told him that i was relatively new to owning and restoring Beetles and any info would help out tremendously. In all fairness the guy wasnt bothered. I dont want to be bad mouthing anyone and i have heard some great things about Emilos. They have a great reputation in the business and that's why i called them.

Redrocket · 25-06-2007 01:18PM

you cant just respray a car like you would repaint a rusty gate. There is an awful lot of hidden work involved at the best of times. He has no idea what condition your shell is in. Maybe he would rather not do the work than to do it badly?
If you want a half arsed job done keep ringing body shops till you get someone that understands your requirements

Dord · 25-06-2007 01:44PM

I agree that he would have to see it, any other professional would say the same.

--amadeus-- · 25-06-2007 01:47PM

I work in IT and I regularly get asked by customers "How much to...". Like the OP they get annoyed when I start asking questions and come over with teh "I just want a rough idea" line.

The trouble is that the rough idea price is teh one that people throw back at you and expect you to stick to after you start work and discover that it's twice as complicated as you were led to believe and so will take twice as long to finish!

Look at it from his perspective - someone on the phone who admits to being new is looking for a quote to spray something that might turn out to be full of holes. How can he estimate how long it will take, it's like asking how long a piece of string is.

Guitar1979 · 25-06-2007 01:49PM

i think he should have given me a ball park figure. I wasnt asking him would he do it, only a quote. Now if i had of asked him for his sister, then yea i would expect a hostile answer... LOL..

Thanks lads,

2cv · 25-06-2007 01:52PM

Maybe he should have given you two different quotes, like a best case worst case scenario. With his experience, that shouldn't have to be a problem. And at least that way you'd have a vague idea of what you're looking at :-)

Dord · 25-06-2007 01:54PM

There could be more than just a respray to be done, it could require some panels to be replaced or some rust to be taken care of. So basically he would have to see it.

I'm sure if you rang any other spray shop they'd tell you the same.

I've heard excellent things about Emilio and how he's helped a lot of people out with their bugs & buses. I'm certainly going to go to him when I get my bug.

Guitar1979 · 25-06-2007 02:00PM

I work in IT too but if some guy asked me a black and white questions regarding, say how much a case was for a PC i think i could give me a quote/ballpark figure. All i asked him for was "how much would a spray job for a 1974 VM Beetle be(FULL STOP)" the question is pretty much black and white. I can see your point though, regarding me being a new comer to all this and his.

All i want is for someone in Ireland to tell me roughly ( which is possible ) how much it would cost to respray a classic beetle.

--amadeus-- wrote:

I work in IT and I regularly get asked by customers "How much to...". Like the OP they get annoyed when I start asking questions and come over with teh "I just want a rough idea" line.

The trouble is that the rough idea price is teh one that people throw back at you and expect you to stick to after you start work and discover that it's twice as complicated as you were led to believe and so will take twice as long to finish!

Look at it from his perspective - someone on the phone who admits to being new is looking for a quote to spray something that might turn out to be full of holes. How can he estimate how long it will take, it's like asking how long a piece of string is.

Redrocket · 25-06-2007 02:04PM

1,000-10,000

Guitar1979 · 25-06-2007 02:07PM

Thanks man.. that's all i needed, LOL..

Kevin_Herron · 25-06-2007 05:55PM

Thats a good ball park figure.

Its a silly question, its like asking how much you'd pay for a car over the phone!

FiSe · 25-06-2007 06:09PM

Guitar1979 wrote:

Yea i totally agree with you regarding professionalism but i specifically told him that all i need is a re-spray, nothing else. I agree with what both of you are saying but i think he could have gave me figure....

There's your problem, man, any one can do a respray, you don't need to bother people who don't do "just" resprays.
I believe, that if you bring your kafer into any body repair shop in any place in this country and say: "Just respray, no warranty, no proper preparation, just rub it down and go with top coat, will bother you no more, there's me 2grand and off I go.." Anyone will do it, although if they will, I wouldn't be going back there again.
My point is, either you want to do a proper paint restoration, or go and buy a spraycans :cool:

Dustpuppy · 25-06-2007 07:00PM

Your question : "how much would a spray job for a 1974 VM Beetle be(FULL STOP)"

And now my questions :
Is there rust on the car?
Is the old color still on?
Is the primer on the car?
Do you want me to do the primer?
Do you want a standard color or something like metalic, chrome color, flip flop?

Never say again, it is a simple question.

A question for a nearly simple answer is this :
"I have a 1974 beetle, all needed work is done, the car is stripped down, the primer is on it and i want to have it painted in gay pink, no metalic. How much would this cost?"

I want to hear your answer, if someone ask you : "How much is a network for me?"
Give a simple answer without knowing anything about what hardware is aviable, how many workstations, how many servers and what kind of services.

I HATE PEOPLE SAYING THAT OTHERS ARE DICKS, IF THEY MADE THE MISSTAKES WITHOUT THINKING WHAT SAY TALKING ABOUT!

Abelloid · 25-06-2007 10:03PM

Guitar1979 wrote:

I have just got in touch with Emilos regarding a price on a new lick of paint for a 1974 VM Beetle. I swear it was like pulling teeth. The guy wouldnt give me a straight answer. In order words the was a dick.. Sorry but its true..
He said i would have to bring the car into the garage for him to look at. Now all i wanted for him was a ball park figure on how much this would cost.

That's the last time i will ring them. I only wanted to know roughly how much it would cost. I am thinking of buying a particular Beetle but it needs a total respray.

Is this the norm when ringing around for re-spray quotes? i am pretty new to this..

Maybe you should have asked that before calling the only aircooled VW specialist in Dublin a dick? :rolleyes:

junkyard · 25-06-2007 10:41PM

I'll do it for 3000 euros providing it's worth painting.

MercMad · 26-06-2007 09:14AM

I certainly dont think the guy was being a dick........its an impossible question to answer. These guys are proud of their work and as the guys say, he has a good reputation for a reason, he wont take on work that might make him look bad !

A neighbour of mine got his bug repainted white about 4 years ago, uses it everyday, no garage and the car looks brand new ! The paint gleams and the owner just washes it occasionally !

dollydishmop · 26-06-2007 05:47PM

Are you aware these forums are public?

Are you also aware that Emilio is well able to use the interent and is active on various forums. Did it occur to you that if he hasn't seen this post already it will only be a matter of time.

Did you really want to call one of the most respected classic vw experts in Ireland a 'dick' on a publicly viewable Irish board?

Believe me, you wouldn't want to have asked for his sister, even in jest :eek:
You especially don't even want to so much as mention any of his family members after this little episode!

Whilst you might have only wanted a common-or-garden 'respray, he has a reputation to protect. He's not going to give you even a ballpark figure over the phone, at the very least he'd expect to see the car in the flesh, to judge how much of a respray it needs. You opinion of what it needs might not match his opinion of how he wants a car to leave his workshop. If you just want it blown over, and if in his opinion a blow over will still leave it looking crap, then he just ain't going to do it. He can't make that decision without seeing the car. He can't risk someone questioning the paint job, and you telling all and sundry that he did it, and believe me a blow over on a rough body looks even rougher!

Ti · 02-07-2007 04:11PM

Guitar1979 wrote:

I have just got in touch with Emilos regarding a price on a new lick of paint for a 1974 VM Beetle. I swear it was like pulling teeth. The guy wouldnt give me a straight answer. In order words the was a dick.. Sorry but its true..
He said i would have to bring the car into the garage for him to look at. Now all i wanted for him was a ball park figure on how much this would cost.

That's the last time i will ring them. I only wanted to know roughly how much it would cost. I am thinking of buying a particular Beetle but it needs a total respray.

Is this the norm when ringing around for re-spray quotes? i am pretty new to this..

Let's get a few things straight here.

You were not talking to Emilio the first day you rang, you weren't even talking to a man. You were talking to ME, I am Emilios wife. When you rang back and spoke to Emilio, you got exactly the same information I gave you.

I explained quite clearly the reasons for not quoting. A lot of other posters here have done a very good job of explaining the reasons too. As you are obviously too ignorant to understand them, I won't waste my time outlining the issues again. The only thing I will say on the subject is, you were adamant there was no rust on the car, and yet in two of the posts you made on the thread started 12th June you mentioned rust!

You haven't a clue what you are talking about, you don't even own the car in question and yet you proceed to print slanderous comments and resort to childish name-calling because you didn't get your own way. The comment about 'asking for his sister' is indeed, indicative of a particularly offensive nature which you have clearly demonstrated.

I strongly object to being referred to in the way you did, and I want an apology. Don't say you weren't refering to me because you are. I was the first person you spoke to and you cannot say I was anything other than polite and patient even in the face of your obviously unqualified opinions.

RoundyMooney · 02-07-2007 06:06PM

I reiterate what other posters have said on this issue, a respray is not something that can be quoted effectively without seeing what needs to be done.

Personal insults are personal insults, whether the poster is a member of this site or not, and it seems now that they have signed up to allow themselves the right of reply.

I would retract the comment, but that's just me...

hullaballoo · 02-07-2007 07:03PM

Guitar1979 wrote:

I have just got in touch with Emilos regarding a price on a new lick of paint for a 1974 VM Beetle. I swear it was like pulling teeth. The guy wouldnt give me a straight answer. In order words the was a dick.. Sorry but its true..
He said i would have to bring the car into the garage for him to look at. Now all i wanted for him was a ball park figure on how much this would cost.

That's the last time i will ring them. I only wanted to know roughly how much it would cost. I am thinking of buying a particular Beetle but it needs a total respray.

Is this the norm when ringing around for re-spray quotes? i am pretty new to this..

I'd better see an apology from you quick-smart or I'll be issuing a severe ban. NEVER is it allowed to talk about someone that way on this site, no matter who it is, or how ill-treated you felt. If you have an issue with a person, you can resolve it other ways than landing yourself in hot water here.

Ti, apologies for this thread. It has only just come to my attention.

MercMad · 03-07-2007 09:56AM

Ti wrote:

Let's get a few things straight here.

You were not talking to Emilio the first day you rang, you weren't even talking to a man. You were talking to ME, I am Emilios wife. When you rang back and spoke to Emilio, you got exactly the same information I gave you.

I explained quite clearly the reasons for not quoting. A lot of other posters here have done a very good job of explaining the reasons too. As you are obviously too ignorant to understand them, I won't waste my time outlining the issues again. The only thing I will say on the subject is, you were adamant there was no rust on the car, and yet in two of the posts you made on the thread started 12th June you mentioned rust!

You haven't a clue what you are talking about, you don't even own the car in question and yet you proceed to print slanderous comments and resort to childish name-calling because you didn't get your own way. The comment about 'asking for his sister' is indeed, indicative of a particularly offensive nature which you have clearly demonstrated.

I strongly object to being referred to in the way you did, and I want an apology. Don't say you weren't refering to me because you are. I was the first person you spoke to and you cannot say I was anything other than polite and patient even in the face of your obviously unqualified opinions.

........glad you took the time to post a reply and defend your Company's good reputation. I'm sure you have better things to do with your time. Still you have verified your Company's professional attitude with that dignified response.

unkel · 03-07-2007 10:50AM

MercMad wrote:

you have verified your Company's professional attitude with that dignified response.

Agreed. You'd better apologise, Guitar1979

Guitar1979 · 13-09-2007 04:42PM

unkel wrote:

Agreed. You'd better apologise, Guitar1979

Yea man i think i was pretty out of line regarding this post. IN NO WAY WAS I TRYING TO HURT THE REPUTATION OF EMILO'S.

I have mailed Ti to let her know that i was a total di*k and awaiting her response..

I would also like you all to know i knew nothing about Sisters and brothers in Emilo's, nothing.. you can imagine my shock when i heard back that she was actually a sister of the guy...

Sorry everyone... i was a dic*...

3ps · 13-09-2007 05:50PM

methinks somebody needs work done

Abelloid · 13-09-2007 10:04PM

Why did you drag this up again without bothering to read back over it ? :rolleyes:

3ps · 14-09-2007 10:43AM

Is that directed at me JustinOval?

Abelloid · 14-09-2007 02:42PM

3ps wrote:

Is that directed at me JustinOval?

No.

starrywalsh · 14-09-2007 03:28PM

:cool: Does anybody know any dicks that will respray my 1980 austin mini ? :eek:

Emilos Beetle

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