So what's going on with the IAA?

kdouglas · 23-05-2007 04:38PM

Hivemind187 wrote:

If you want to start flaming me will you at least do me the favor of having an actual clue about what is happening in the first place. in the first place?

wasnt trying to flame you in any way, but that's exactly the problem, nobody knows what is going on, including DaveMcG, o1s1n and possibly spitfire, all of whom are supposed to be on the committee.

Hivemind187 wrote:

Finally, regarding distance from boards.ie

BOARDS IS NOT THE SODDING IAA - its a place where people talk about Airsoft and Paintball.

a fair point, but it is the place where most airsofters in ireland visit most regularly, if you dont want to post here, then fair enough, but even the IAA forum isnt getting much traffic and the people the IAA is supposed to be representing should really know what's going on.

sorry to hear about your back, that must be sore.

N.O.I.P. · 23-05-2007 04:53PM

Hivemind187 wrote:

REASONS I HAVENT BEEN AT HRTA

GRRR ARGH RARRRR FUME SEETH ETC:

*returns to skulking in the shadows and reading posts*

Sounds like you had a good trip man

o1s1n · 23-05-2007 04:56PM

He must have been fingerprinted one time too many...

Hivemind187 · 23-05-2007 05:05PM

o1s1n wrote:

He must have been fingerprinted one time too many...

Homeland security have cold fingers ...

Dave! · 23-05-2007 05:09PM

kdouglas wrote:

wasnt trying to flame you in any way, but that's exactly the problem, nobody knows what is going on, including DaveMcG, o1s1n and possibly spitfire, all of whom are supposed to be on the committee.

The current committe is:

Oisin (o1s1n) = Chairman
Ronan (hivemind)= Vice Chair
david doyle (NOIP) = Secretary
Seán (extremetaz) = PRO

So I aint on it anymore, and I don't think Spitfire is either. I found out this from my usurper about 3 months after it was decided at one of the meetings I didn't know about.

extremetaz has been courteous and explained alot to me, so thanks again to him. He's keepin busy anyway.

If you want to start flaming me will you at least do me the favor of having an actual clue about what is happening in the first place. in the first place?

It's really ironic that you should say that considering YOU are the one who is supposed to provide people with AN ACTUAL CLUE about what is happening in the first place.

This is getting tiresome TBH, I'm getting sick of it.

o1s1n · 23-05-2007 05:12PM

It would appear this thread is about to go down the tubes any second...

Keep it civil please.

kdouglas · 23-05-2007 05:13PM

DaveMcG wrote:

The current committe is:

Oisin (o1s1n) = Chairman
Ronan (hivemind)= Vice Chair
david doyle (NOIP) = Secretary
Seán (extremetaz) = PRO

a prime example of information that people should be made aware of, changes to the committee should be voted in by the members, the committee doesn't just take it upon itself to add or remove people

o1s1n · 23-05-2007 05:29PM

kdouglas wrote:

a prime example of information that people should be made aware of, changes to the committee should be voted in by the members, the committee doesn't just take it upon itself to add or remove people

They are ad hoc committee members. Such is the way organizations begin. How can members vote people in when there are in actual fact NO members? Has anyone paid membership fees yet? A list of interested names has been taken but that is it as of this moment.

The IAA is a very VERY new organization. Remember that. I don't understand why people are being so impatient. There are so many things which need doing that you don't even begin to realize till you try and start such a thing up.

There could be better communication, I agree. Other than that, you all need to relax a bit.

CrazyRabbit · 23-05-2007 05:29PM

Hivemind187 wrote:

REASONS I HAVENT BEEN AT HRTA

1) I put my sodding back out
2) I have been to busy working on Press Releases, Constitutional Re-Writes etc
3) I work for the CIVIL SERVICE = I'M SODDING BROKE
4) I got back from ILLINOIS THIS MORNING

REASONS I AM ON THE COMMITTEE

1) I'm one of the only people who BOTHERED to do anything to set up the IAA in the first place.

If you want to start flaming me will you at least do me the favor of having an actual clue about what is happening in the first place. in the first place?

Finally, regarding distance from boards.ie

BOARDS IS NOT THE SODDING IAA - its a place where people talk about Airsoft and Paintball.

PEOPLE POST INANE AND UTTERLY STUPID THINGS HERE. I dont need to qualify this, you will already be aware of what has gone on here in the past. If you cant see why it is not a good idea to have a certain professional distance then you really shouldnt comment on it should you?

... honestly I cant make this any clearer and its just making me angry.

*returns to skulking in the shadows and reading posts*

1. I also 'bothered' to do something. I wrote up a quite decent charter for the IAA. Now the constitution that you wrote it superior, so that's fine & I'm not complaining. I've also gotten clarification on the whole transportation of airsoft devices. I made/make the effort!
Oddly enough though, when it came to the IAA committee being setup, I wasn't even informed about it & others who hadn't (yet) done anything for the IAA became members of the committee. Not gonna moan about it, but I was somewhat dissapointed.

2. I really don't think anyone is flaming you or the other IAA Committe members. They are just voicing their concerns the only way that they can...on boards.ie. The fact that this thread exists indicates that there is a problem that the IAA has to tackle, and sooner rather than later.

3. I think it's obvious that boards.ie is not the IAA. The forum on the IAA Website would be the best place for discussion about the IAA, but it's a dead forum.

4. While there has been some questionable posts on this forum, I haven't seen anything that would seriously harm airsoft or the IAA. All I've seen is huge overreactions to some posts that had content that some people personally disagreed with. Nothing illegal has been posted.
While you may see posts that in your opinion are 'INANE AND UTTERLY STUPID', that is the nature of forums, the internet and indeed the world in general. Completely removing the IAA from the only form of mass communication for airsoft in Ireland doesn't help anyone. Just accept that people/forums can't be perfect and do the best you can with what's available.

Might I also suggest creating a separate boards.ie account for the IAA? That way you can post as a person, or as an IAA rep.

And finally, thanks for all the work that you have done so far. Your expertise is appreciated!

kdouglas · 23-05-2007 05:35PM

o1s1n wrote:

They are ad hoc committee members. Such is the way organizations begin. How can members vote people in when there are in actual fact NO members? Has anyone paid membership fees yet? A list of interested names has been taken but that is it as of this moment.

The IAA is a very VERY new organization. Remember that. I don't understand why people are being so impatient. There are so many things which need doing that you don't even begin to realize till you try and start such a thing up.

There could be better communication, I agree. Other than that, you all need to relax a bit.

ok, fair point about the committee, ill retract my comments on that, but communication is still severely lacking, again, it's not that i/we dont appreciate the effort put in, but it would be nice to know what's going on. If people are aware of what's going on, it's easier for them to offer help

N.O.I.P. · 23-05-2007 05:51PM

kdouglas wrote:

ok, fair point about the committee, ill retract my comments on that, but communication is still severely lacking, again, it's not that i/we dont appreciate the effort put in, but it would be nice to know what's going on. If people are aware of what's going on, it's easier for them to offer help

I think we all agree that at the moment there isn't an awful lot of communication and it is something that we should sort out sharpish. Now I was going to say we are working on it but if I do I think I'll be killed so instead how does the idea of a monthly newsletter grab you. It could have updates about the progress of the IAA and perhaps member submitted articles including news, reviews etc it could also be passed around to friends and family as a way of increaing their awareness of and interest in Airsoft.

[--SC(+)PE--] · 23-05-2007 05:53PM

*nods in agreement*

Dave! · 23-05-2007 05:57PM

N.O.I.P. wrote:

I think we all agree that at the moment there isn't an awful lot of communication and it is something that we should sort out sharpish. Now I was going to say we are working on it but if I do I think I'll be killed so instead how does the idea of a monthly newsletter grab you. It could have updates about the progress of the IAA and perhaps member submitted articles including news, reviews etc it could also be passed around to friends and family as a way of increaing their awareness of and interest in Airsoft.

You're a genius Dave! I would support this idea.

Cheers

CrazyRabbit · 23-05-2007 05:58PM

N.O.I.P. wrote:

I think we all agree that at the moment there isn't an awful lot of communication and it is something that we should sort out sharpish. Now I was going to say we are working on it but if I do I think I'll be killed so instead how does the idea of a monthly newsletter grab you. It could have updates about the progress of the IAA and perhaps member submitted articles including news, reviews etc it could also be passed around to friends and family as a way of increaing their awareness of and interest in Airsoft.

Sounds good. Perhaps include a FAQ about the IAA, and what issues it faces? Like mentioning that there is difficulty in getting insurance etc. It may bring about offers of help, or contact names etc.

And preferably it should be posted on the IAA Forum. It really is the proper place for it.

Dave! · 23-05-2007 06:00PM

I can work on an FAQ section for the site, the others are busy enough.

N.O.I.P. · 23-05-2007 06:04PM

DaveMcG wrote:

You're a genius Dave! I would support this idea.

Cheers

I can't help but feel that there is more than a little sarcasm in that sentence but none the less I do like the genius bit. I R so Great I R so great

And preferably it should be posted on the IAA Forum. It really is the proper place for it.

Actually I had intended to email it to everyone on the IAA provisional members list and then PM it to anyone whos email I didnt have. Perhaps we could create an archive on the IAA website that would contain all the issues

[--SC(+)PE--] · 23-05-2007 06:06PM

this should keep the plebs happy

Dave! · 23-05-2007 06:10PM

N.O.I.P. wrote:

I can't help but feel that there is more than a little sarcasm in that sentence but none the less I do like the genius bit. I R so Great I R so great

lol, I was afraid it would come across as sarky

Leidenfrost · 23-05-2007 06:11PM

I would also be in support of a newsletter,
as I have recently turned 18 I can actually have a say in legal matters now.

N.O.I.P. · 23-05-2007 06:16PM

DaveMcG wrote:

lol, I was afraid it would come across as sarky

Perhaps to one possesing an intellect inferior to mine own, but as you have so astutely observed I am in fact a genius. As such there was no grounds upon which you could have based this fear.

Brilliant now see what you have started

kdouglas · 23-05-2007 06:41PM

newsletter sounds good

Spitfire666 · 23-05-2007 07:10PM

DaveMcG wrote:

The current committe is:

Oisin (o1s1n) = Chairman
Ronan (hivemind)= Vice Chair
david doyle (NOIP) = Secretary
Seán (extremetaz) = PRO

So I aint on it anymore, and I don't think Spitfire is either. I found out this from my usurper about 3 months after it was decided at one of the meetings I didn't know about.

extremetaz has been courteous and explained alot to me, so thanks again to him. He's keepin busy anyway.

It's really ironic that you should say that considering YOU are the one who is supposed to provide people with AN ACTUAL CLUE about what is happening in the first place.

This is getting tiresome TBH, I'm getting sick of it.

when the whole idea was being discussed BY ALL OF US, i along with Paul were nominated as being members of the comittee based on our positions (im sure that its obvious what i mean by that)

But once things like meetings were mentioned and the first meeting was announced, neither myself or Paul were told anything about it. Both of us would have been willing to traval to attend it but nothing was said.

Now im not moaning about anything that has been achieved as every bit helps and its clear that when us players do talk about our concerns, things get done, the news letter for one is a great idea and should have been done from the start. it could have been easy to post it like a thread where we could then print it off and show people.

Another thing i was sujesting was that we should ALL carry a copy of the legislation with our equipment at all times, and i dont mean a typed out version, i mean a photocopy of the actual page where the section is in the new Act,. i will have some copies of this with me at the weekend and will give them to anyone who wants one and they can then be put online (scanned in) for printing and people can get it laminated.

kdouglas · 23-05-2007 07:38PM

Spitfire666 wrote:

Another thing i was sujesting was that we should ALL carry a copy of the legislation with our equipment at all times, and i dont mean a typed out version, i mean a photocopy of the actual page where the section is in the new Act,. i will have some copies of this with me at the weekend and will give them to anyone who wants one and they can then be put online (scanned in) for printing and people can get it laminated.

that's one of those things i keep meaning to do, i even went and printed off a whole bunch of copies one day, but then i lost them... must do it again

extremetaz · 24-05-2007 10:42AM

.....bloody hell... i look away for one evening... :rolleyes:

hivemind - no more posting whilst jet lagged!!

right, a little compromise perhaps:

might i propose a bulletin of things as they happen as opposed to a monthly newsletter?...

i'd be more inclined to see things go this way for the simple reason that things may not happen on a monthly basis... or at least nothing significant anyway..

there's a lot of movement going on at the moment (as i've informed davemcg) but that's merely because we are putting our side into play - in about 3-4 weeks when we've our side done, we'll be waiting on responses from other parties and that's when a monthly newsletter would slow down to a halt and read something like:

"still waiting...."

just my 2c...

extremetaz · 24-05-2007 10:46AM

ps: as for carrying legislation, the piece you'll be wanting is

Criminal Justice Act 2006,
Part 5 “Amendments of Firearms Acts”
section 26 “Amendments of section 1 of the Principle Act”

IIRC, the applicable text is on page 36.

o1s1n · 24-05-2007 03:12PM

If stopped by the Gardai, people would want to be very careful with how they go about producing the legislation. Last thing you want to be doing is using it like some kind of a trump card. I know most people aren't that stupid, but you never know.

"I chose you, airsoft legislation!" *Airsoft legislation grants user immunity from Garda prosecution*

*Gardai hit airsoft over the head with a batton*

CrazyRabbit · 24-05-2007 05:11PM

o1s1n wrote:

If stopped by the Gardai, people would want to be very careful with how they go about producing the legislation. Last thing you want to be doing is using it like some kind of a trump card. I know most people aren't that stupid, but you never know.

"I chose you, airsoft legislation!" *Airsoft legislation grants user immunity from Garda prosecution*

*Gardai hit airsoft over the head with a batton*

More like "Airsoft legislation grants user immunity from successful Garda prosecution."

And are you suggesting that our friends in the Gardai go around beating people up with baton's for no reason? :eek: That's libelous!

Hivemind187 · 24-05-2007 05:45PM

CrazyRabbit wrote:

More like "Airsoft legislation grants user immunity from successful Garda prosecution."

And are you suggesting that our friends in the Gardai go around beating people up with baton's for no reason? :eek: That's libelous!

Its not libel if its true

CrazyRabbit · 24-05-2007 06:02PM

Alan, bring your baton on saturday. Hivermind has something to say to you...

o1s1n · 24-05-2007 06:52PM

CrazyRabbit wrote:

More like "Airsoft legislation grants user immunity from successful Garda prosecution."

And are you suggesting that our friends in the Gardai go around beating people up with baton's for no reason? :eek: That's libelous!

The only thing on here libelous is YOU

So what's going on with the IAA?

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