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Announcement: Minor Changes for how things are done around here.

  • 17-05-2007 07:03PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭


    Quick announcement regarding the state of the poker forum recently.

    The mods have discussed it and we are going to be clamping down on low content threads, and the occasions when threads are dragged off topic. We don't get much feedback from posters about how the forum is run, which we like to think as an indication that everyone thinks we're great.
    Recently though, there have been comments from people that are respected posters, so we've decided that there should be some changes around here.

    These changes are not permanent. They are a trial to get higher poker content back in the forum. If they don't work then we'll think of something different to do. There hasn't been any progress on a forum split or on creating new sub forums for poker, so you will have to bear with us while we
    do what we think is necessary for the greater majority of posters and their enjoyment of this forum.
    The mods on any forum are trusted to make the forum good for all users, this is what we're doing, and we are answerable to the admins/site owners.

    What the mods will be doing:
    1) Locking "bad" threads. Threads/posts that belong in the BB sticky may be merged there, or we may just lock the thread. This is at the mods discretion and it's not personal. If a thread starts badly, or is a bad beat in disguise but creates a good discussion, we will obviously let it run.
    2) Asking people to stay on topic, and being strict about it.
    3) Banning people if we need to. We are just about the most lenient mods on the whole of boards.ie but we'll be handing out bans (a couple of days, a week, a month, perm) to users who disrupt or persistantly don't follow these guidelines.
    4) We will also be welcoming feedback from all users. Either by private message, or on this thread.
    5) Generally being harsher on conduct that we see as not entertaining or educational for the forum.


    What we need you to do:
    1) Stay on topic in threads. If someone creates a thread about how to play a pair and flush draw in a certain situation, then please don't begin a conversation with a mate in that thread about something totally different.
    2) When replying to a hand history or commenting on how someone played a particular hand, think if your message is genuinely helpful before you click 'Submit Reply'. Does it raise important points about table information or the strategic situation. Try to avoid "Just reraise all-in, gamble!" type posts.
    3) Before creating a new thread, ask yourself if it should be in the BB Sticky, or the tournaments forum.
    4) Use the Private Message feature on boards to talk to your friends. Don't use a thread for talking to someone when the rest of us have no interest in the conversation.


    None of this is personally directed at individuals here. You might disagree with what we're trying to do or think that the poker forum is fine as it is. You're entitled to your opinion as are you entitled to use the 2+2 forums, Antesup.com forums, request a private forum here on boards, or use MSN, IRC or whatever.

    Finally if you have a serious problem with the mods or these changes or how the poker fourm is run, then please use the Helpdesk and Feedback forums to get the views of the SMods and Admins (and everyone else in the case of Feedback).

    I'm serious about the bans.

    Laf.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    +1


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,872 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Deleting and banning finger at the ready. This is fair warning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭dougee19


    Ste05 wrote:
    +1
    what does that mean????? :confused::confused::confused::confused:
    also since im asking, dont ban me for this please, i dont know where to write it and since ive written above already might as well ask, if someone writes a ., that means they agree with someone is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    dougee19 wrote:
    what does that mean????? :confused::confused::confused::confused:
    It means I agree and am behind this new initiative.

    EDIT: Also just saw your other question, yes that's what "." means have a read of the sticky called "Poker Guide" where Musician explains some of these things in the last post in the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭pok3rplaya


    bump


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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,872 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    pok3rplaya wrote:
    bump
    This is exactly the type of thing that is liable to earn a ban, but then again you knew that. I hope you re-read the post you just 'bumped' carefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭pok3rplaya


    Yeah ok you're right, I was just tesing the waters. I'll be good from now on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,695 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    should this not be stickied for a day or two?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    This seems like reasonable tightening up of the basic rules. Anything I can do to help, let me know lads.

    DeV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    I think there has been too many threads locked recently, a lot of good discussions have been abruptly stopped because a moderator took a nominal dislike to something. I have no problem with bad beats being moved to the bad beat sticky, but theads like Dougees original post, and BCB and lloyds hand analysis were both locked incorrectly IMO. In both cases there was actual poker content being discussed, plus there was a bit of drama. I dont see the need to turn this into a very dry technical forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Mr. Flibble


    Didn't the 'respected posters' ask for a sub forum for SNR problem, not a reign of terror?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I dont think anyone is suggesting a Reign Of Terror now really...

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭David Michael


    Dev,

    Just create a sub forum? For the more deep brow side of things? Poker Theory?

    This is nonsence (not the mods stance on things! They are seriously good bar Laf who I warned I wa a whack a mole..Dappie too. B'stards!!!). Its worse than pre election politics. Shuffling of feet etc

    It's a few clicks to create the sub forum. It won't take away from the current poker community forum were posts can be made and thoughts meandered?

    It is easier to get a sub forum on filims:

    Film Awards.
    Film Productions
    Film Reviews
    ohh and Films!

    The rest of us spanners will just use the main forum. Those who want to can 2+2 the other sub forum.

    Lets see what take off.

    For fun the mods could ban the serious people from posting crap in the main forum as they did really, when you think about it... not like it and thats why they wanted the sub forum. So ban their funny sh1t.

    I'm a petty bitch like that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    i think the level of advice being given on boards really is really really bad.
    but i dont know why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Solksjaer


    ive been banned before and sure Im sure there is an itchy finger waiting, however, I agree with these mods, go for it. feel free to ban me, lock me move me if I offend thee. Sure yer doing a great jobs lads.

    I'll read slang-sky if it happens...


    rgds and mustard coloured knickers

    Willie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭David Michael


    Gholimoli wrote:
    i think the level of advice being given on boards really is really really bad.
    but i dont know why?

    Like your blog. Good idea not followed through. You are only one?

    You should consider a high content section in it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    DeVore wrote:
    I dont think anyone is suggesting a Reign Of Terror now really...

    DeV.


    hero of all mods: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilien_Robespierre

    or perhaps this fellow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Goodluck2me


    good idea. +2 etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭eoghan104


    I think there has been too many threads locked recently, a lot of good discussions have been abruptly stopped because a moderator took a nominal dislike to something. I have no problem with bad beats being moved to the bad beat sticky, but theads like Dougees original post, and BCB and lloyds hand analysis were both locked incorrectly IMO. In both cases there was actual poker content being discussed, plus there was a bit of drama. I dont see the need to turn this into a very dry technical forum.
    I have to say I agree with this. Its all very well and good that we should only be discussing strategy and all that but come on, the majority of posters here want a bit of banter aswell.

    Solsjaers banning in Ollyk's thread is an absolute joke and its another sign of the dictatorial attitudes of some of the mods. This new regime will leave the forum a very dry and boring place IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭RacingSilver


    Gholimoli wrote:
    i think the level of advice being given on boards really is really really bad.

    I couldn't agree more Gholi ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    I don't know what to think of this. In general I think the mods do a good job on this forum compared to some of the others(especially after my joke of a banning). I think the easiest thing to do is for each thread starter to label their thread: "low content", "high content", "theory", etc......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Marq


    lafortezza wrote:
    2) When replying to a hand history or commenting on how someone played a particular hand, think if your message is genuinely helpful before you click 'Submit Reply'. Does it raise important points about table information or the strategic situation. Try to avoid "Just reraise all-in, gamble!" type posts.
    I agree with almost all of this except this particular point. some of the most constructive threads are the ones where someone posts a hand and a question, and then ten different "well-respected" posters post one word answers like "call" or "raise". seeing concensus on points like this is good and shows people that something is considered a good, standard way to play a certain spot.

    Obviously it's better when posters give their reasons for advocating a certain action, but often when someone has already posted good advice that I agree with I feel that it's good if I (and others) post
    ".", or just agree as it shows that many people support the advice.

    On an unrelated note, how will the mods view my "move up levels" posts from here on in? please don't tell me I'm going to get banned for


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Hitman Actual


    The mods definitely aren't the problem. And I've no problem with the banter either; after all it is more of a community than a high-powered strategy forum. But there is a difference between banter and some of the total bullsh!t that occasionally gets posted. (Although maybe what the regulars class as banter is probably seen as bullsh!t by others...).

    Also, saying that the majority of advice posted is really, really bad is annoying. Some posters have a habit of replying in a thread with "this is really horrible", or "Do this if you hate money", etc, but don't follow it up with anything useful. I'm not saying that people should be spoon-fed, but if you're just going to reply with a little jibe, then don't fcuking bother.

    In saying that, the regulars need to get tougher on each other. I've a feeling that, when a long-term poster gives poor analysis, the better posters go easy on them because they know them, or whatever. Go easy on the newbies by all means, but we should be knocking the sh!t out of each other. I know I need it...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Hitman Actual


    Marq wrote:
    I agree with almost all of this except this particular point. some of the most constructive threads are the ones where someone posts a hand and a question, and then ten different "well-respected" posters post one word answers like "call" or "raise". seeing concensus on points like this is good and shows people that something is considered a good, standard way to play a certain spot.

    I agree on this. It used to annoy me, but now when I see something as being standard (and I don't get it) I try to work out why. One word answers aren't neccessarily a bad thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Marq


    Also, saying that the majority of advice posted is really, really bad is annoying. Some posters have a habit of replying in a thread with "this is really horrible", or "Do this if you hate money", etc, but don't follow it up with anything useful. I'm not saying that people should be spoon-fed, but if you're just going to reply with a little jibe, then don't fcuking bother.
    .

    See?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,341 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    I think to keep up interest we should have a random banning a day and double banning day on friday
    this is what the people want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    I think to keep up interest we should have a random banning a day and double banning day on friday
    this is what the people want
    Taken on board, thanks for the suggestion.
    Marq wrote:
    I agree with almost all of this except this particular point. some of the most constructive threads are the ones where someone posts a hand and a question, and then ten different "well-respected" posters post one word answers like "call" or "raise". seeing concensus on points like this is good and shows people that something is considered a good, standard way to play a certain spot.
    If a good player just posts "raise", wouldn't it be better if he expanded a sentence or two, "Raise because with the info given he's unlikely to fold an overpair".
    It's not a big deal tbh, the more effort that people put into their replys the more the rest of us learn.

    I get the impression that some posters think we will be locking every single thread that doesn't meet a required standard. Not the case, we just want people to think before they post, and cut down a bit on off topic banter in threads where it doesn't belong.
    eoghan104 wrote:
    Solsjaers banning in Ollyk's thread is an absolute joke and its another sign of the dictatorial attitudes of some of the mods. This new regime will leave the forum a very dry and boring place IMO.
    I only read that this morning, hadn't seen it previously. I agree with how Ste05 handled it.

    The thread was going smoothly, went a bit off topic when Solksjaer started ranting about the different types of people on the forum.
    Ste then asked people to stay on topic and was met with arguments from Solksjaer and Smurph. They should have taken it to pm, Feedback or Helpdesk instead of continuing in that thread.
    Whats the point of mods if they're going to be ignored?

    A 3 day ban isn't the end of the world either is it? You can still read the forums when logged out, and at the end of the day it's a poker forum, it's not life or death. The mods are aware we'll get abuse for this, goes with the terretory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    The Solsjaers banning was a good example, yes he was technically in the wrong, but he wasnt insulting anyone, and taking the thread slightly off topic isnt going to do anyone any harm. Is his banning going to have a positive or negative effect? Some of the more interesting threads and conversations develop when things go slightly off topic.

    The whole purpose of this thread seems to be telling us that the mods are going to be stricter from now on, but there doesnt seem to be any popular feeling that this is what is wanted or needed. Too many threads are locked already. Lets not turn this place into a police state!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    He's only banned for 3 days.

    He was asked by one of the mods to try to keep on topic in that thread, he essentially gave the two fingers to the mod and kept at it. What would you like us to do a day or so after we posted this announcement for everyone to try a little harder?

    He's only banned for 3 days.


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