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Reraising Light Preflop

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭robinlacey


    just realised that 160 of 1000 is a closer to a sixth than an eight!
    maths was never my strong point...
    all the more reason why i think calling three bets is too big a mistake to be made up for post flop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    Great posting robin, keep it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭MrPillowTalk


    Robin stop talking about 4 betting its basically the only uncovered topic in nl pre flop theory.

    Good posts though, Im starting to think we must play nearly the exact same game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭jimbling


    Robin stop talking about 4 betting its basically the only uncovered topic in nl pre flop theory.

    Good posts though, Im starting to think we must play nearly the exact same game.

    now now.... don't be greedy :D

    anyway, as robin says, just as one strategy becomes commonplace, then others begin to surface... it's the way of poker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭pok3rplaya


    robinlacey wrote:
    sorry but i disagree with this,i try to avoid 3betting TT and JJ where possible,if you think through situations where you 3bet with these hands,nine times out of ten you're going to be left in a **** situation on the turn.they are really not the sort of hands you want to play in a 3bet pot most of the time,obviously i will reraise them sometimes,but i think you are destroying a lot of the value of these hands by forcing them to play in 3bet pots.also calling with TT and JJ balances the times you want to call with AA and KK.
    in general i try not to 3bet TT or JJ unless i'd be happy getting it all in (which i suppose i often would be at full tilt 10/20 ,but not in most other games).

    This is very true now that I think of it. Just running true flops in my mind, there's almost no flops where JJ can recieve action and not be put to a tough decision. Not reraising TT/JJ also lessens the profitably of c/r push bluffing our flop bets which is another thing that high stakes players have become trigger happy about.
    robinlacey wrote:
    also, i think AQo is usually a reraise,often AJo as well,presuming the original raiser didn't raise from utg.these are the type of hands you want to be reraising,hands that are probably ahead of a standard raising range,but annoying to play postflop in a multiway pot,hands that are better off winning by sheer brute force than by any finessse or tricky postflop decisions.if they are suited i would be much more inclined to just call,although i will often 3 bet with them as well.

    At 5/10 yes AQ is a reraise. Not at stakes like 200NL though. AJ is n obvious reraise from the blinds when the CO/Button raises, simply because we are way ahead of his range. Only thing I've realised though is that we are probably way behind the range with which he calls our reraises. Obviously this has conatations for how we play on the flop if he calls, I'm not really sure how yet though. I guess we're in a cbet and give up situation on basically any flop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭sikes


    Marq wrote:
    Does anyone know at what point reraising was incorrectly renamed "3-betting"? This is just about my biggest pet peeve with 2+2ers.

    surely the definition of a blind is a forced bet. a raise is obviously a second bet hence, re-raising being referred to as 3-betting.

    also im bumping a great thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,797 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭robinlacey


    lol,this thread was only six weeks ago,but already i've been three betting a lot less than i used to,which i think i mentioned i was starting to do upthread.

    its amazing/scary how fast the games are changing-i keep telling myself that it'll be great practice for when they legalise online poker in america and the floodgates open up again,but if this turns out to be wishful thinking its going to keep getting harder and harder to make money at this game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    had forgotten how good this thred was at the time........
    I've noticed of late that 1/2 has become 3 bet happy with players opening up their RR range. I rarely call a 3 bet (if thats what we've decided to call em now?) unless I have a specific read or my own hand is very strong but I find that nits at 1/2 will call very light (any A or suited broadway cards) leaving my Js and 10s in bother to an overcard.
    If I 3 bet I always bet the flop about 2/3 of the pot and if I'm called I really have to play that hand very carefully from there on as he really should be able to beat AA or KK at this stage.. (not always the case at lower levels though).
    Most of my 3 betting is done from the blinds and ususally against a LP raiser. If I have 2 suited broadway cards in the blinds I will either fold them to a raise or 3 bet them. I rarely call with them if ever.
    I find that the profitable place to 3 bet light is where an EP or MP raiser has raised and there is at least one caller. I will RR with a much wider range here. The original raiser is afraid to call as he's got a player behind him and the caller rarely has a big hand or he would have 3 bet.... I usually pick up these pots there and then which makes it a profitable play. If i don't pick them up there and then, I have another chance on the flop to take down the pot.Naturaly I'll try not to attempt this against loose opposition...

    Just some of my thoughts on 3 betting (which we called RR and playing back for the last 15 years) and some of what works for me at lower levels. I'm no expert on the matter like the previous posters (very interesting and impressive) but just a few rambling thoughts from a mulitabling 1/2 nit.

    Feel free to comment...

    Mac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    wow. funny how quickly things have changed. When I stated the thread I hadn't got a clue about this topic at all.

    Thanks to robin and david's post, and a good bit of experimenting it's become a good part of my game :)


    This is now pretty standard:


    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to phantom_lord [4h 7d]
    A: Raise $8.00
    B: Call $8.00
    phantom_lord: Raise $25.00
    : Fold
    : Fold
    : Fold
    : Fold
    : Fold

    and occasionally,

    Dealt to phantom_lord [Ac 4c]
    phantom_lord: Raise $8.00
    A: Call $8.00
    villain: Raise $28.00
    B: Fold
    C: Fold
    D: Fold
    phantom_lord: Raise $80.00
    A: Fold
    villain: Fold



    I think this thread's good enough for the sticky btw.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭robinlacey


    i'd usually still try and have a hand with some potential while squeezing,i think 47o might be pushing it,although i know hectorjelly for one disagrees with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    robinlacey wrote:
    i'd usually still try and have a hand with some potential while squeezing,i think 47o might be pushing it,although i know hectorjelly for one disagrees with this.
    I usually do too, but that just happened to be really sweet spot to do it :)


    funny u should say that tho, there was a hand where I folded 74o to a raise without thinking about it and hj pointed out how it was a perfect spot for a sqeeze, really opened my eyes to how often I could do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭pok3rplaya


    74o is the frunckin nugtd,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    pok3rplaya wrote:
    74o is the frunckin nugtd,

    good night hey :)


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