anthony stokes

ziggy · 06-01-2007 09:54PM

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KdjaCL · 06-01-2007 10:05PM

Thompson Lennon and Sutton, Petrov on the right Agathe on the left.

Hardly a mix of attacking creative football compared to Lennon Nakamura Mac Geady Graveson

MON played not to lose (always has and always will), GS plays to win always will.

kdjac

evilhomer · 06-01-2007 10:47PM

KdjaCL wrote:

Thompson Lennon and Sutton, Petrov on the right Agathe on the left.

I just can't agree with that statement at all.

Agathe was a right sided wing-back for Martin O'Neil (I don't recall seeing him play on the left very often (if at all), Petrov may have played on the right of the centre midfield, but you would never call him a right winger type, he always tucked in and was always more attack minded then defensive.

Thompson only played centre mid on occasion (injury related usually) mostly bombing up and down the left wing.

Sutton was incredible and played all over the park (even at centre-half on occasion) but usually as an attacking midfielder behind the front two (when playing midfield).

Although not as attacking as Strachans new midfield is it is certainly not what you would call conservative.

I agree with you though about MON playing not to lose, but maybe only in the champions league/ UEFA cup.

There wasn't much competition from any of the other teams in the SPL to warrant playing conservative football.

KdjaCL · 06-01-2007 11:00PM

evilhomer wrote:

I just can't agree with that statement at all.

So MON didnt play 5 in midfield? Those players were just 5 i seen play there, he played 5 in mid with the intention of not losing in all comps a tactic that served him very well, by nullifying the oposition you get the ball with a mid 5 he had they created crosses for larsson hartson etc: to score.

GS goes with attacking football has tried it with all his previous clubs and is his thing now. MON played 5 in mid with leicester celtic and now villa with the intention of not losing.

kdjac

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-01-2007 12:30AM

Gordon Strachan sums it up

GS wrote:

People want to come here and win championships, play in Europe at the highest level, play in front of 60,000 people and play with good players with the chance of making yourself a legendary figure. If you feel you can get that elsewhere then fair enough.

Charlton :rolleyes:

Chucky the tree · 07-01-2007 01:35AM

Some people dont want to play against amateur defenders week in week out though.

ziggy · 07-01-2007 04:11AM

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eirebhoy · 07-01-2007 11:54AM

Sizzler wrote:

IDIOTS

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?jp=CWSNCWCWAUGB

Obviously Strachan couldnt guarantee him 1st team football

I'd say it's more he couldn't be guaranteed £20k a week. Lennon, Nakamura, Boruc and the rest of the team bar 3 or 4 are on less than £20k a week. They'd have expected someone like Stokes to accept around £5k for his first season. Charlton can offer a lot more than that though. If they paid Stokes what he was looking for Maloney would be gone like a shot as he's in negotiations since last February.

I'm pissed off about this. He would have been ideal for Celtic.

Raskolnikov · 07-01-2007 12:11PM

eirebhoy wrote:

I'd say it's more he couldn't be guaranteed £20k a week. Lennon, Nakamura, Boruc and the rest of the team bar 3 or 4 are on less than £20k a week. They'd have expected someone like Stokes to accept around £5k for his first season. Charlton can offer a lot more than that though. If they paid Stokes what he was looking for Maloney would be gone like a shot as he's in negotiations since last February.

I'm pissed off about this. He would have been ideal for Celtic.

Naka is only on £20K a week? :eek: He'll be gone by the Summer time if he doesn't get a payrise!

eirebhoy · 07-01-2007 12:18PM

Raskolnikov wrote:

Naka is only on £20K a week? :eek: He'll be gone by the Summer time if he doesn't get a payrise!

Less than £20k when he first signed anyway. He wouldn't be earning and less than he was on at Reggina. Strachan said in his book that Naka, Boruc and Zurawski are all earning the same amount combined as 1 player who left Celtic. I presume that's Lambert. Obviously he's happy with his wage as he signed an extension in the summer. Naka was bought for less than £2m aswell. People say Duff was a bargain at £5m, Naka's a much better player.

Celtic put premiership fee's into perspective.

07-01-2007 12:32PM

Roddy23 wrote:

Stokes is from Crumlin - he used to play for Lourdes Celtic, among other teams.

Actually he's from Perrystown, played for Lourdes Celtic, Cherry Orchard and Shelbourne.

Damn fine Gaelic Footballer too!

Dempsey · 07-01-2007 01:54PM

eirebhoy wrote:

Less than £20k when he first signed anyway. He wouldn't be earning and less than he was on at Reggina. Strachan said in his book that Naka, Boruc and Zurawski are all earning the same amount combined as 1 player who left Celtic. I presume that's Lambert. Obviously he's happy with his wage as he signed an extension in the summer. Naka was bought for less than £2m aswell. People say Duff was a bargain at £5m, Naka's a much better player. Celtic put premiership fee's into perspective.

Naka renegotiated his contract during the summer though

Roddy23 · 07-01-2007 09:05PM

Perrystown

Perrystown, sure thats what the rich part of Crumlin is called,.

GuanYin · 07-01-2007 11:11PM

He may go to Sunderland yet, it seems.

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-01-2007 11:25PM

So much for 'the lure of the EPL'!

I wonder if Sunderland offered an extra quid per week to the boy :rolleyes:

Chucky the tree · 08-01-2007 01:37AM

has he gone to sunderland now?

I see Pearson is probaly off to Derby now. Derby looking a very solid chance for promotion, probaly winners too.

MrJoeSoap · 08-01-2007 01:41AM

Seems that way.

DUBLINER Anthony Stokes will today put pen to paper on a shock three-and-a-half year, £2.5 million (€3.7 million) deal with Sunderland after Roy Keane’s persuasive powers snatched him away from Premiership strugglers Charlton.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=22359-qqqx=1.asp

ziggy · 08-01-2007 02:57AM

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scojones · 08-01-2007 10:13AM

Fair play to Keane. A brilliant move for both Stokes and Sunderland.

Mitch Connor · 08-01-2007 10:19AM

more chance of playing Prem football with Sunderland next season then charlton.

Kingp35 · 08-01-2007 10:23AM

Why is this a brilliant move for Stokes? Sunderland wont go up this season, they are far too inconsistant. For me its the lure of the Irish connection at Sunderland that has taken him there but its a bad move on Stokes part. He should have held out for the move to Celtic imo.

Chucky the tree · 08-01-2007 10:25AM

ziggy67 wrote:

For that read "after Roy Keane's big bag of money"

Why does everyone think its about the money?

The only ones who seem to be suggesting that are Celtic fans, maybe its just bitterness though.

Mitch Connor · 08-01-2007 10:26AM

Kingp35 wrote:

Why is this a brilliant move for Stokes? Sunderland wont go up this season, they are far too inconsistant. For me its the lure of the Irish connection at Sunderland that has taken him there but its a bad move on Stokes part. He should have held out for the move to Celtic imo.

what do you mean? he had the chance to go to celtic and snubbed it.

Kingp35 · 08-01-2007 10:33AM

Tauren wrote:

what do you mean? he had the chance to go to celtic and snubbed it.

Has he come out and said he doesnt want to go to Celtic? My point still stands though, why is moving to Sunderland a good move?

scojones · 08-01-2007 10:34AM

Kingp35 wrote:

Why is this a brilliant move for Stokes? Sunderland wont go up this season, they are far too inconsistant. For me its the lure of the Irish connection at Sunderland that has taken him there but its a bad move on Stokes part. He should have held out for the move to Celtic imo.

He had the option of going to Celtic if he wanted - he didn't. It's a brilliant move for Stokes because after next season Sunderland will be in the premiership - and at Sunderland he is going to get regular football. The chance of playing in the Premiership for the 2008-2009 season outweighs any benefit I see with him going to Celtic.
£15000 a week is brilliant money for the lad, and he will learn alot about the game from Keane - both for playing in England and playing for Ireland.

sundula · 08-01-2007 10:39AM

sjones wrote:

He had the option of going to Celtic if he wanted - he didn't. It's a brilliant move for Stokes because after next season Sunderland will be in the premiership - and at Sunderland he is going to get regular football. The chance of playing in the Premiership for the 2008-2009 season outweighs any benefit I see with him going to Celtic.
£15000 a week is brilliant money for the lad, and he will learn alot about the game from Keane - both for playing in England and playing for Ireland.

£15000 a week is amazing money. But I dont think you can be so certain about Sunderland getting promoted.

scojones · 08-01-2007 10:42AM

sundula wrote:

£15000 a week is amazing money. But I dont think you can be so certain about Sunderland getting promoted.

Yes, that's a fair point to make - but it's very obvious that Keane's plan in the next couple of years is to have Sunderland in the prem, and if Stokes played like he did with Falkirk it isn't too hard to imagine. I think it's the best thing for the lad because if Sunderland don't get promoted - and he plays well he will get spotted by some of the premiership teams and should really be in the premiership soon enough, if he can prove himself.

Kingp35 · 08-01-2007 10:43AM

sjones wrote:

It's a brilliant move for Stokes because after next season Sunderland will be in the premiership - and at Sunderland he is going to get regular football. The chance of playing in the Premiership for the 2008-2009 season outweighs any benefit I see with him going to Celtic.

Exactly how are you reaching this conclusion?

sundula · 08-01-2007 11:07AM

sjones wrote:

but it's very obvious that Keane's plan in the next couple of years is to have Sunderland in the prem,

It may be obvious, but the Champoinship is full of teams planning for the Prem and very few of them make it. In most cases the Manager gets the boot before the club make the jump, if they ever make the jump. No team is entitled to the promotion.

BaZmO* · 08-01-2007 11:18AM

sundula wrote:

It may be obvious, but the Champoinship is full of teams planning for the Prem and very few of them make it. In most cases the Manager gets the boot before the club make the jump, if they ever make the jump. No team is entitled to the promotion.

But still, by that logic he may as well sign for a team that is planning and building for the future with the possibility of promotion (Sunderland) rather than a team that's heading for relegation and the uncertainties that surround that situation.

If he did sign for Charlton and they went down at the end of the season there would be no gaurantee that Pardew would still be there thereby putting Stokes place in the squad at jeopardy. I think that most people would agree that Keane will definitely still be at Sunderland this time next year.

anthony stokes

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