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Network Engineer Salary??

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  • #32
    vimak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭vimak


    I've been working for my current employer for 6 months, I'm getting 30k. Worked in customer support before.

    ...I wonder how much I should ask after completing my CCNP next year.

    Moonbeam you might want to re-take that CCNA, and before the exam read all the little bits and pieces (I recommend reading the Ciscopress Certification Guide) about those little details they might ask like different parameters. After reading that book I think you should pass easily. CCNP won't probably be too hard either, depending on your Cisco exposure of course. Employers seem to like these Cisco certifications, that was also the reason why my CV was picked up from Monster.


  • #33
    mathias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    Thats not true,if you are good at what you do the degree really doesn't matter.

    If you believe that then you really are in a land of make belief , take a look at the requirements for any engineers post , most require a diploma or degree minimum , look at the posting above for the Cisco positon , it needs a masters or Phd , do you really think they will consider anyone without these. ?? Not likely.

    It is possible to work your way up within a company to an engineer position without the qualification , but this is nearly always done on the understanding that you are studying and will have the qualifications soon , until you do , employers will always use your lack of qualifications to keep your salary low.

    I think once the OP gets qualified he will find that a big salary jump is not far behind , until then , its good money for an unqualified engineer !!


  • #34
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Moonbeam wrote:
    Thats not true,if you are good at what you do the degree really doesn't matter.
    Do you work in IT? You think qualifications and certification doesnt matter? :eek:

    whitelightrider, if you've been a 'Network Engineer' for 9 years and havent attained the lowest level of certification, I think its pretty obvious where the problem is. You say you did the CCNA exam 'last year' - thats at least 11 months ago. You should be looking to resit a failed exam a couple of weeks afterwards, not a year later.

    Start certifying up and look around, you'll bounce up to €50k with that experience and a few certs no bother.


  • #35
    vimak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭vimak


    How about in Ireland, if you have CCNP or even CCIE and years of experience, how much does degree really matter?


  • #36
    mathias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    How about in Ireland, if you have CCNP or even CCIE and years of experience, how much does degree really matter?


    That is not the point of this thread , The OP wants to know why his salary is so low , my opinion would be that he does not have the relevant qualifications , some employers ask for Degree or equivalent , for some maybe the CCNP and CCIE might be enough , but the OP has neither !!

    I personally dont think the CCNP or CCIE would amount to the equivalent of a Degree , In my opinion they are very useful extra qualifications , but they hardly carry the same weight as a four year college Degree !!


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  • #37
    DublinEvents
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭DublinEvents


    Why would a four year degree matter to an employer? They don't teach anything in a four year degree that you can apply on the job. Four year degrees are nothing but a load of crap. At least a certified person has more knowledge about the practical stuff he will be doing for, say a networking job position.


  • #38
    mathias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    The way of the world , mine is not to reason why , if you want a good salary in an engineering role , then Degree it is , like it or not !!

    CCNP and CCIE are validation programs for professionals ( i.e already qualified in general ) , they are not meant to be a starting qualification although a lot of people do this.


  • #39
    ForgottenPast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭ForgottenPast


    the location is a big part of sallary aswell.. on the westcoast the sallary is much lower than in dublin! sounds to me like you should be on a little higher sallary tho. if you relocated to dublin id say you would get some more doe in your pocket. but would you really wanna live in dublin :)


  • #40
    whitelightrider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭whitelightrider


    mathias wrote:
    The way of the world , mine is not to reason why , if you want a good salary in an engineering role , then Degree it is , like it or not !!

    CCNP and CCIE are validation programs for professionals ( i.e already qualified in general ) , they are not meant to be a starting qualification although a lot of people do this.

    I take your point Mathias. Which is why I am back studying for my degree. As for jumping back in and retaking the CCNA exam, time and other projects here at work simply did not permit it. It's not a cop out, just a fact. Now that I am back studying for my degree Im hoping to take the CCNA aswell and therefore have both certificates.

    But my main point was my salary. Whether or not it was a good one for someone with 7 - 9 years experience. I havent looked at salary markets for other engineers out there and am just looking for a reference point and some advice.


  • #41
    whitelightrider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭whitelightrider


    ForgottenPast wrote:
    the location is a big part of sallary aswell.. on the westcoast the sallary is much lower than in dublin! sounds to me like you should be on a little higher sallary tho. if you relocated to dublin id say you would get some more doe in your pocket. but would you really wanna live in dublin :)

    No! Definitely not. I was up there last week working in our office on Amiens street and its a totally different lifestyle up there. It's all go go go. No time to relax or unwind. At least down this side of the country it seems that little bit more relaxed after work.


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  • #42
    Raekwon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    mathias wrote:
    I personally dont think the CCNP or CCIE would amount to the equivalent of a Degree , In my opinion they are very useful extra qualifications , but they hardly carry the same weight as a four year college Degree !!

    Well your personal opinion is rubbish! A CCIE easily outweighs a college degree, even more so when there are only 12,000+ CCIE's in the whole world.
    mathias wrote:
    CCNP and CCIE are validation programs for professionals ( i.e already qualified in general ) , they are not meant to be a starting qualification although a lot of people do this.

    CCNA is a starting qualification, you cannot do a CCNP without a CCNA, so your theory that a lot of people start off by doing a CCNP or a CCIE is completely inaccurate.


  • #43
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    A CCIE easily outweighs a college degree, even more so when there are only 12,000+ CCIE's in the whole world.
    Apples and oranges tbh.

    A college degree is a totally different thing to a specific industry qualification.

    Both have entirely different aims and merits.


  • #44
    mathias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    CCNA is a starting qualification, you cannot do a CCNP without a CCNA, so your theory that a lot of people start off by doing a CCNP or a CCIE is completely inaccurate.


    You totally missed the point , by starting qualification I meant a general qualification such as a degree , a qualification indicating you have achieved a certain standard of education , valid for life !!

    CCxx are meant to be done post grad ... and have to be re-validated every three years ,

    From the horses mouth ...

    http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/le2/le0/le9/learning_certification_type_home.html


  • #45
    vimak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭vimak


    Raekwon wrote:
    Well your personal opinion is rubbish! A CCIE easily outweighs a college degree, even more so when there are only 12,000+ CCIE's in the whole world.



    CCNA is a starting qualification, you cannot do a CCNP without a CCNA, so your theory that a lot of people start off by doing a CCNP or a CCIE is completely inaccurate.

    Starts to be completely OT, but you can take CCIE without CCNA or CCNP. However it's usually easier to get the lower level certifications first.


  • #46
    Raekwon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    mathias wrote:
    You totally missed the point , by starting qualification I meant a general qualification such as a degree , a qualification indicating you have achieved a certain standard of education , valid for life !!

    No I got your point, you implied that potential employers look for degrees over CCNP's or CCIE's, that is simply not true. IT degrees are entry level but they are not worth the paper they are printed on without the relevant industry certificates (and of course experience, but that goes without saying).

    In the case of the OP, he wants to earn more money as a Network Engineer so why should he get a degree when all he needs is a CCNA to complement his experience?
    Starts to be completely OT, but you can take CCIE without CCNA or CCNP. However it's usually easier to get the lower level certifications first.

    Do I need a degree to decrypt this? :rolleyes:


  • #47
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Ah the old 'I dont have a degree and Ive done alright so they must be worthless' tack is it?


  • #48
    Raekwon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    CiaranC wrote:
    Ah the old 'I dont have a degree and Ive done alright so they must be worthless' tack is it?

    Nope, just the anti-'If you don't have a degree you are worthless' tack ;) If you want a debate on Certs vs Degrees then start another thread.

    Btw what did you edit from that one sentence??? :rolleyes:


  • #49
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Ah now everyone is equal, just some of us are more equal than others. Like those of us with degrees for example. ;)


  • #50
    Raekwon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    Good luck in the real world poindexter :D


  • #51
    Millionaire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Millionaire


    In 8 years working with Network Engineers down to Tech Support, I never in this sector of IT, seen a company I was finding IT Engineers go..."sorry he got no degree" they are more interested in the hands on experience.

    However I have seen companiens refuse to interview people because they had No MCSE or No CCNA.

    In other sectors such as software development, I have seen people being refused because they have no degree, or in some case no Masters Degree.


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  • #52
    Moonbeam
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    vimak - Do I know you?

    mathias - I am obviously in the know slightly more then these things then you.

    DublinEvents - A degree matters as it shows you can apply yourself and finish what you start.


    There is also alot of mention of CCIE here,there are very few CCIEs in Ireland and currently it would be worth alot more financially to somone then a Degree.Supply and demand and all that:)


  • #53
    underworld
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭underworld


    Hmmm do network graduates generally start on good money when finished college??


  • #54
    Moonbeam
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    Not really.


    If your lucky enough to get a networking role then not so bad -


    Salary Survey

    http://www.irishjobs.ie/clients/workwise.asp?URL=http://www.irishjobs.ie/Work_Wise/salarysurveylist.aspx?ParentID=75&CID=160


  • #55
    underworld
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭underworld


    30,000 peanuts...


  • #56
    Moonbeam
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    I think 30k would be one fo the luckier graduates with some experience too


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