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Importance of relationship with Christ

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  • #92
    IFX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 102 ✭✭IFX


    From my Oxford dictionary.
    Christian:
    A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity.


  • #93
    Asiaprod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Asiaprod


    BrianCalgary wrote:
    And JC is a scientist because he calls himself one? (no offense JC)

    Good guess, and also no offense JC. Are we correct Robindch?


  • #94
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    > That is not MY definition it is a biblical definition.

    You know as well as I do that there's no definition of the word "christianity" or "christian" in the bible -- that's why people make up their own definitions to suit themselves, just as you do and just as the cult did. The definition that I gave (which is identical to the second part of IFX's) just allows you both to claim to be christians :)

    > And JC is a scientist because he calls himself one? (no offense JC)

    JC can and does call himself what he likes. Arguably, it would be more realistic of him if he didn't call himself a scientist because he is thunderingly ignorant of science -- a quality not normally found useful in the day-to-day business of science -- but he can and does apply the word to himself. It's up to other people if they want to attribute something to this self-applied label: to me it suggests that he is a liar, to other people it suggests that he should be respected.

    > To say that you cant make a mistake is a delusion.

    Hmmm... Two days back, in this post you said that in one specific area, it's absolutely imposslbe for you to make a mistake. I'm glad to see that you have changed your position and now agree that you could be mistaken in your belief :)

    > However to say 2+2=4 is something that is fact and to say it is not mistaken.

    We've been over this before in the creationism thread. "2+2=4" is not a fact and as a representation, is not always true either (though you disagreed with me back then).

    > So lest you miss it again, who is this cult leader and which cult?

    As I said yesterday, there's more than enough info in what I've posted that the cult leader can be identified quite easily.


  • #95
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    BrianCalgary wrote:
    Your definition of a Christian is wrong. A Christian is one who has accepted Christ as their saviuor. A person who recognizes Jesus deity.
    The problem with that definition is how do you define who has accepted Christ as their saviour?

    The boy Robin is talking about might have accepted Jesus as his saviour under his own definition of what that means, but under your judgement of what that means he did, since he joined a cult and then killed himself.

    So the question is if someone geniuninly believes that they have accepted Jesus as their saviour, does that mean they are a Christian, or are there external rules to this, and if there are then who defines these rules?


  • #96
    BrianCalgary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    Robin:
    I can be mistaken, but not on the existence of God. Nor can I be wrong on the esistence of yourself. You are, your posts and uor other correspondence proves it. Although we have never met in person I have an understanding of your character. Just as I have with God.

    Wicknight:
    All one can do is trust that someone has accepted Christ. The proof of that comes out in the fruit they bear and the life they live.

    I spend the odd week in the summers volunteering as a counselor at a Christian camp. One year I had group of 13/14 year old boys. Most of whom went to a Christian church, attended a Christian school, professed thei rfaith in front of all parents, but their lives certainly did not reflect the faith they professed.

    Matthew 7
    21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

    Many will claim to know Christ but really don't. The judge becomes Jesus. The Bible warns against false teachers:

    matthew 7
    15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

    The only way to know who is and who isn't a false prophet is to test their words against the word of God.

    I know a guy who ran off with another woman, said God told him to. Well, we have a false prophet because the Bible tells us that 'what God joins let no man seperate', God doesn't like divorce so why would he instruct someone to do it?

    When I was working as the chaplain for our pro soccer team here in Calgary, I was wathced very carefully by the players when I first started. They were testing me to see if I was really practising what I preached and that my motives were what I claimed them to be. It took three seasons before I felt that trust to be complete with all the players and staff and ther ehave been some good permanent relationships as a result.

    I preached and lived the gospel and still do. I will however screw up periodically.


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  • #97
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    BrianCalgary wrote:
    All one can do is trust that someone has accepted Christ. The proof of that comes out in the fruit they bear and the life they live.

    So how do you know the person Robin is talking about had not accepted Christ?
    BrianCalgary wrote:
    I know a guy who ran off with another woman, said God told him to. Well, we have a false prophet because the Bible tells us that 'what God joins let no man seperate',
    I would imagine the man would say "no man" did seperate them, God seperated them
    BrianCalgary wrote:
    God doesn't like divorce so why would he instruct someone to do it?
    I would also image that the thought that God doesn't like murder crossed Abraham's mind when God instructed him to slay his son Isaac.

    God tells humans not to kill other humans, yet God himself kills humans all the time, often hundreds of thousands at a time. He also instructs humans to kill other humans.

    If God instructed you to leave your wife, or kill your child, would you?


  • #98
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    > [BC] I can be mistaken, but not on the existence of God.
    > To say that you cant make a mistake is a delusion.

    In that case, you are delusional. And according to yourself, mind, not even according to me!

    > Nor can I be wrong on the esistence of yourself.

    You could be completely mistaken. I could be any other rational poster wearing a funny hat, or indeed, I could be JC, but with brain with works from time to time (and a caps-lock key that doesn't).

    As before, you deny that you interpret your experiences to produce conclusions and instead, seem to produce conclusions without any thought. This isn't a good way to go, and it's an observation which may go some way towards explaining some of the more unusual conclusions you've reached.

    > I will however screw up periodically.

    As we all do, on every topic, from time to time. It's just that some are more prepared than others to admit the possibility of human error, and adjust our confidence in ourselves to suit this faintest of all possibilities, that we may, after all, be wrong.


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