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The Engineering Thread

  • 18-09-2006 11:38AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭


    I shall be starting my course in Engineering on the second also. There doesn't seem to be many on this thread doing that course, only counted 2 out of the 170 available places! Oh well.

    Anyone with a few years experience in Engineering, PM me with some tips. Shall be quite helpful as i know no one else doing engineering :(


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  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irishguy00 wrote:
    Anyone with a few years experience in Engineering, PM me with some tips. Shall be quite helpful as i know no one else doing engineering :(

    You're probably better off - while you will find that while you will have to 'put yourself out' a bit more, it will work out better for you. There are several horror cases of people going into a college with some of their friends that they know, only to realise at the end of 3/4 years that they haven't made any new friends.

    There's some random bit of information here about the make up of the course.

    Basic tips go to as many tutorials & labs as you can (as well as lectures, but the other two are more important in my opinion). These are the places where you will actually have an opportunity to ask detailed questions, as well as do some problem solving (rather then absorption in lectures). Because you're in a lecture room with 200 other people, there usually isn't time to ask the lecturer a detailed question if you don't understand something.

    Maths (1E1, 1E2, 2E1, 2E2, 3E1, 3E2): Usually ok, though it does vary from lecturer to lecturer. 1E2, if it is still Donal O'Donovan is a tough subject, but he's a decent guy so do ask questions. Conor Houghton is a legend. You'll go to lectures just to hear his stories.

    Computer Science (1E3, 2E3): Again, go to the tutorials and you should be ok. Has changed since I did it, but apparently it is a lot more interesting in second year.

    If you haven't done Applied Mathematics, you will find from talking to others that have done it that some of first year is based around it (I'd guess that more of the new 'Mechanics' course will be anyways!). There are usually plenty of the brown 'Fundamental Applied Mathematics' books in the library, if you need it.

    Your first year will be changed considerably from previous years, which may lead to some hiccups in the first few weeks as it will be a new course, but that's just guesswork.

    On the social side of things, make sure to go to the class parties (class reps or Engineering Society will be organising something within a week or two). Join societies, come in to Freshers' Week (even if you don't know anyone, go on a tour group with some people and say hi to them, or come to the Beers).

    And that's all I can remember for now. You'll pick up most things within the first weeks/months, but do remember that there is a failure rate of around 30% in first year. There are repeats during summer, but it's not the nicest studying in August & September. Remember, tutorials & labs!

    Good luck!

    (ApeX, Nietzschaen, Crash_000: any chance irishguy00's post could be copied to another thread sometime? Would be helpful for the sake of archiving later, as there isn't a decent thread on Engineering at present.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭irishguy00


    Thanks for that!! Really helpful info there.

    Yeah, i like the idea of being thrown in the deep end for meeting new people. In a way i'm kinda glad it's just me. All the more people i get to know!

    Was thinking of going to the beers, but the people on that forum seem to know each other quite well so i'd probably end up sitting by myself in the corner. Defo gong to freshers week though. Really looking forward to it actually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭Crash


    Dude, we're pretty inviting :) tbh we've all been the newbie at a beers - you know you wanna come along :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Barry Aldwell


    In general, don't let yourself fall behind. Especially 1E7 (Chemistry) and 1E3 (Computer Science for Engineers). One of my less fun moments this year was realising 2 weeks before the exam that I had no clue whatsoever about chemistry.

    1E3 is one of those weird subjects. If you like computers, and are interested in programming you can easily get 99% in the exam (I got 97, I'm still wondering where the other 3% went). But if you don't like computers, it won't be your friend at all. Don't do the stupid thing that a lot of people do, and get someone to email you the solutions to the labs, and then present them to the examiners. Get help with it, ask someone who is doing well to explain it to you again, use the programming support centre. You can't get the answers emailed to you in the exam. It's all fairly easy stuff tbh, the main problem that people have is the way of thinking associated with solving the problem you're given.

    1E2 is annoying, but pay attention and do the assignments and you should be fine.

    You got at least a C3 in honours maths in the Leaving Cert. That's 1E1 sorted already...... (seriously)

    The rest of the course is fairly alright, just pay attention and do the assignments, and you shouldn't do too badly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭irishguy00


    Right so! I shall head to the beers, you've pulled me arm ;) (Any excuse to drink) Is it taking place over the Fresher's week? And most likely it will be on campus or in a pub nearby? Jesus, can't wait for college! Tis goona be mad...

    Thanks for all the advice, btw. I was going into college blind, but i've a fair bit of info now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Gileadi


    Couldnt agree more with the comments about not falling behind in 1e3, if you start getting things emailed to you at the start of the year you may aswell pencil it in your planner that your gonna repeat that subject (judging from the experience of 4 of my friends who were repeating it just yesterday)

    Anybody know if engsoc is gonna be active this year again? Last i heard some guy called Aidan going into SS was gonna run things


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gileadi wrote:
    Anybody know if engsoc is gonna be active this year again? Last i heard some guy called Aidan going into SS was gonna run things

    No idea. Didn't really see hear too much of Eng Soc last year, bar the Eng Ball (which I couldn't go to, stupid elections.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    EngSoc is always messed up and about. I wouldn't join it again.

    wrt chemistry, theres this little purple book they recommend every year. IT was writen by and engineers or something like that, for people who don't have a background in chemistry. Its a good little book, get it at the start. Forget Silberberg.

    rob lewis and wynne evans
    Chemistry
    palgrave foundations
    ISBN 0-333-96257-5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    Ah yeah engineering is great. Most friendly course in college, but then i'm biased! Make sure to chat with people in the first eek. Even the intro lectures during freshers week is a great place to introduce yourself and see if they're going to any of the nights out (go to them all!).

    Going into SS myself. Aidan is taking over the EngSoc is he??
    He's great at getting things done so that shoud help the society.

    Yeah 1e3, 1e7 (chemisty i think) are hardest if ye have never done them. Chemistry is even hard if ye have. Quite a big step up from LC, plus (or maybe mainly) its boring as sh!t.

    Labs and tutorials as said beform. VVVVV Important.

    Good luck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    The chemistry isn't a huge step above the LC, however it is a re-education for those that did it for the LC, oh and yes it is boring as ****.


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  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For new first years, Physics & Chemistry will be combined into one subject.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    Myth wrote:
    For new first years, Physics & Chemistry will be combined into one subject.

    Thats great news, I can honestly say that only half of what was taught in both those subjects had any importance what so ever to the degree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    Yeah thats probably true it wasnt a huge step up but man i hated it. Always knew i was going to be doing mec so was just going through the motions....
    Joining the subjects is good. cut out a lot of the waffle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    Are you a senior sophistor? I might know yea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    Well will be on the 9th. Can we call ourselves that now??
    what stream are ye?


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    enda1 wrote:
    Well will be on the 9th. Can we call ourselves that now??
    what stream are ye?

    I've been calling myself SS since last year. Once you're in, I suppose it's fair game.

    I'm in Civil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    Computer and electronic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Barry Aldwell


    enda1 wrote:
    Yeah 1e3, 1e7 (chemisty i think) are hardest if ye have never done them.
    1E7 is (was, they'll probably all drop a number now that they've combined physics and chemistry) engineering drawing. Boring as hell through the year, but outrageously easy to pass once you do even the smallest amount of work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭Nietzschean


    Myth wrote:
    I've been calling myself SS since last year. Once you're in, I suppose it's fair game.

    I'm in Civil.
    is it not rising SS until you reg? though i dunno....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Yay. finally a thread on engineering! I am a newbie also, heading into 1st year... Can't wait for it, but don't really know what to expect. Advice appreciated!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    If you can survive past christmas your doing good. The first term is scary as hell, and they dilberately make it that way, to flush out the weak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Wh-what? So it's NOT all drinking and dossing?! Seriously though, how hard are we talking? Would I still be able to keep a part time job, about 15 hrs a week? Have heard conflicting views from people about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭Nietzschean


    depends on your ability really, no way to know before you start it, engineering has lots of labs and tutorials you need to be therefore. Some people i know managed fine missing terms of lectures in some subjects.... Myth wasn't exactly the model of attendence in 1st year iirc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Barry Aldwell


    Shelga wrote:
    Wh-what? So it's NOT all drinking and dossing?! Seriously though, how hard are we talking? Would I still be able to keep a part time job, about 15 hrs a week? Have heard conflicting views from people about that.
    I seriously doubt you could keep up a part time job without falling behind......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭sully-gormo


    Engineering is supposed to be 35/40 hours a week, so youre least likely to be able to keep it up

    [Edit]
    A job that is
    [/Edit]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    It is very very easy for engineering to get on top of you and fall behind. It will take you awhile to realise what you can skip and what you absouletely can't. I wouldn't advice a part time job unless you really have to do it.

    To put it in propective, First year has the most hours of all the years, followed closely by second year. You'll be in from 9 - 6 allot of days, with usually just the one hour off in the day. After a week like that you need a break at the weekend or you'll burn out. First year was hell.

    Seriously you have to make a decision, are you a student or are you a member of the work force. Are you going to committee yourself for four years or arn't you.

    I know some people have have held down part time jobs and engineering, but they are few, the majority of your class won't have a part time job. Just wait untill you're afew weeks in before making the decision, thats the best advice you can get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Ok, not exactly what I was hoping to hear... I know engineering is a lot of hours but it's not a question of choosing work over college. I don't want to rely on my parents for money throughout the year. Think I'll just stick with it for a few weeks (15 hrs MAX) and see how it goes. If it gets too much I'll just quit my job, seeing as I hate it anyway! So really it's a win-win situation. :-)


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As was said in other threads, think about giving grinds. Usually if you made it into Engineering, you'd be ok at the old maths, and there's a lot of demand for Leaving Cert maths grinds. Plus it can be revision too for 1E1 :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endymion


    Well I'd suggest swallowing your pride. I came to an agreement with my parents that if I did engineering I would be leaning on them. I'd work during the summer and get some money together, but wrt to travel expenses, books, meals, stationary, I'd be needing hand outs. Parents agreed that it made the most sense. Repeating a year is expensive. And since murphy's law applies, anything you skip out on and fall asleep on, will be end up biting you in the ass the following year.

    You can easily survive in college on 20 euro a week once the above are taken care of. That said, I've known of people who go through 50 euro a day.

    Would you not try the course out first, and then see if you can handle a part time job, rather the other way around? Cause I'd love to know where you think you'll be fitting in 15 hours of extra work a week on top of 35-40 hours of lectures, labs and tutorials plus assignments and write-ups. Take it from those that have gone before, the last thing you want to do is fall behind in write up's and Labs, they can contribute greatly to your final marks, and in tight subjects often make the difference between pass and fail.

    Then again you might be able to handle it, Some can. Would it be an idea to get your parents to read this thread?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭Shelga


    *begins to gulp at the mountain of work that awaits* I appreciate the advice, seriously, because I don't know anyone doing engineering!! Right, I am beginning to look forward to the day in the very near future that I tell my boss to shove her job where the sun don't shine. My thinking now is... Keep working for the first 3-4 weeks of college (going to NYC at xmas and desperately need money, nothing to do with pride) and then give it up. Surely that's manageable? SURELY?? Please, I need some reassurance that engineering is not all I will be doing from dawn til dusk every day! I am starting to become a tad apprehensive, don't know what to expect at all.


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