New Ciggs rule (yes, another)

12-07-2006 01:43AM

Pal wrote:

I am a smoker and I hate being one.

Fine. Quit. As I said, it should be my choice when and where I quit. I give you this from a smoker:

julep wrote:

you don't like smoking? go and talk to your local TD. tell them that you want tobacco products outlawed and give your reason (the health service one seems to be popular.)

PAL wrote:

I have an addiction and it freaks me out.

-Once again. Quit. Smoking is not for you, you have no enjoyment in it. Quit.

PAL wrote:

I will get clean soon I hope.

-You are NOT on heroin. You smoke. It's a lot easier to quit smoking than quit heroin. Get over yourself, you are beginning to sound desperate for attention here

PAL wrote:

I will not stop trying until I do.

-Only you have the power to do that and quite frankly I hope you do quit, so I don't have the misfortune of meeting you outside a bar one night while you preach to me about the evils of smoking, while, a fag hangs (ironically:rolleyes: ) out of your mouth

PAL wrote:

what do you enjoy about poisoning yourself ?

The fact that I have the freedom to do it.

The questions should be,
"Why are YOU so scared to quit?"
"Why do YOU poison yourself?"
"Why should I listen to YOU when you can't even do it?"

slipss · 12-07-2006 01:50AM

Sarge wrote:

I personally think it’s a great move that will in turn stop underage smoking, as they cannot buy the 10 packs with their lunch money anymore. Most smokers will not be bothered by this to be honest. Ruu your dad smoking major certainly won't be bothered by this as it means he doesn’t have to go the shop everyday now.

It's 1:42 so I'm not going to read the whole 7 pages of posts so I don't know if anyone said this already but...It will by no stretch of the imagination stop underage smoking or have any kind of effect on it. I could probably post a few dozen reasons as to why this is but I'll just go for two or three.

1. When I started smoking I couldn't afford to buy 10 smokes at 1.50 on my own. This didn't stop me from smoking, I just, as kids have been doing for decades, went halves or thirds with freinds. The same would obviously apply if they have only 20 packs for sale. Kids will just go quarters instaed of halves if the need to.

2. Kids have a lot of money nowadays and 6 euro as opposed to 3 would mean nothing to most of them.

3. Smoking is highly addictive and as with all addictions an increase in price or
forcing people to buy more of the product will have little effect if not a reverse effect on that person beating thier addiction.

And as for most smokers not being bothered about it, I wouldn't agree with that. I smoke and I always make sure I only buy 10 packs because as a few people I think pointed out, if I bought 20 I would probably smoke them all in the same amount of time I would usually buy 10.

The only way to curb underage smoking is through support, education and awarness. In my opinion they should print pictures of diseased organs on ciggerette boxes, and have cancer and other smoking related disease victims visit primary and secondary schools aswell as sporting figures to show the benefits of not smoking aswell as the dangers of smoking. Also the gouvernment should offer free medical and counselling support (nicotine patches ect) to everyone, but particularly to school children that have become addicted, but of course then the'd lose the tens of millions of euro in tax they make from the sale of tobaco and wouldn't be able to give themselves so many raises.

Sean7 · 12-07-2006 05:07AM

Make every child in the country between age 8-15 chain smoke a soon to be mandatory 20 pack within an hour at the start of the new school term in September. See how many wanna smoke then.

Pal · 12-07-2006 09:44AM

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Pal · 12-07-2006 09:49AM

Papa Smut wrote:

The fact that I have the freedom to do it.

The questions should be,
"Why are YOU so scared to quit?"
"Why do YOU poison yourself?"
"Why should I listen to YOU when you can't even do it?"

OK
I have quit.
so far so good.
actually 4 days now but I wasn't sure I would get this far.

No point bullhssittinhg on about something unless I'm willing do do something about it. right ?

Pal · 12-07-2006 09:59AM

On the point of banning TEN PACKS.

This is a small step in the right direction imho.

pbsuxok1znja4r · 12-07-2006 10:02AM

This thread is retarded. It's not up to the government to make sure you only smoke X number of cigs in a day by selling smaller packets. Anyone who was dumb enough to start smoking in the first place deserves to be ripped-off.

Aside from packet-size, I really don't see how an increase in price of smokes could have a "reverse effect on people beating their addiction".

Dragan · 12-07-2006 10:17AM

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Ardent · 12-07-2006 10:25AM

The government can make packs of 20 the minimum and up the price considerably because they know smokers are nicotine junkies. Easy money for Bertie. How does it feel to be so obviously f*cked over by your government?

Dragan · 12-07-2006 10:40AM

Ardent wrote:

How does it feel to be so obviously f*cked over by your government?

Not different to being ****ed on everything else to be honest!!!

So, bread is a luxury item eh? :rolleyes:

Slutmonkey57b · 12-07-2006 12:37PM

julep wrote:

my point is that nobody is forcing non-smokers to endure second hand smoke.

Ahhh.. pre-smoking ban, that was exactly what was happening - people who didn't smoke were unable to avoid second hand smoke, because smokers were allowed to smoke anywhere they wanted, especially in the workplace. If you didn't smoke, and worked in a pub, you were choked by smoke all day long.

i hate smoking, but i also understand that it is an addictive habit. that is why i will not stand by and watch as non-smokers preach away about the dangers of smoking, while not actually doing anything to stop it.

Why should non-smokers do anything to stop people smoking? As I said above, anyone who smokes made a concious decision to do it, despite knowing for decades it's addictive and bad for you. The only people who have a responsibility regarding smoking are smokers. People start smoking as a lifestyle choice - so if the government is taxing you to bits over your lifestyle, tough - it's not something you are ever, or were ever forced to do. The government, so far, has banned smoking in the workplace, and banned advertising and products aimed primarily at new or underage users. It's a good balance between protecting people who aren't stupid enough to smoke and allowing idiots who do choose to smoke the freedom to do what they want to themselves.

Naked Lepper · 12-07-2006 12:49PM

kinda pointless rule, but it doesnt bother me anyway, i only buy 20 packs.. saves me petrol on havin to drive down the shop every day for em! haha

bounty · 12-07-2006 01:22PM

they should just double the tax on cigarettes, i think less that half would quit, so it would be a profitable move

Dragan · 12-07-2006 01:26PM

bounty wrote:

they should just double the tax on cigarettes, i think less that half would quit, so it would be a profitable move

Why? That would be stupid and largely just backfire. It the Irish government really wanted to stop it's populace from smoking, then it would simply bring in a ban on tobaco products.

As such, it wants to be seen to be making an effort while enjoying the tax it all brings in.

Terry · 12-07-2006 01:41PM

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Ahhh.. pre-smoking ban, that was exactly what was happening - people who didn't smoke were unable to avoid second hand smoke, because smokers were allowed to smoke anywhere they wanted, especially in the workplace. If you didn't smoke, and worked in a pub, you were choked by smoke all day long.

yeah. that doesn't happen any more. stop livin' in the past, man. you're livin' in the past. contemporise, man.

Why should non-smokers do anything to stop people smoking?

there is no point in whining about something if you are not going to do something about it.

Fighting Irish · 12-07-2006 07:52PM

Papa Smut wrote:

Fine. Quit. As I said, it should be my choice when and where I quit. I give you this from a smoker:

-Once again. Quit. Smoking is not for you, you have no enjoyment in it. Quit.

-You are NOT on heroin. You smoke. It's a lot easier to quit smoking than quit heroin. Get over yourself, you are beginning to sound desperate for attention here

-Only you have the power to do that and quite frankly I hope you do quit, so I don't have the misfortune of meeting you outside a bar one night while you preach to me about the evils of smoking, while, a fag hangs (ironically:rolleyes: ) out of your mouth

The fact that I have the freedom to do it.

The questions should be,
"Why are YOU so scared to quit?"
"Why do YOU poison yourself?"
"Why should I listen to YOU when you can't even do it?"

:rolleyes: you make it sound so easy

Pal · 13-07-2006 08:36AM

Fighting Irish wrote:

:rolleyes: you make it sound so easy

It can be for some people. Unfortunately not easy for me. I find withdrawal is very uncomfortable.

Papa Smut wrote:

-Once again. Quit. Smoking is not for you, you have no enjoyment in it. Quit.

I quit 5 days now. so far so good. thanks for the advice. BTW, you enjoy smoking then ? I sure didn't. I knew I was doing something really stupid and couldn't enjoy it for that reason.

Papa Smut wrote:

-You are NOT on heroin. You smoke. It's a lot easier to quit smoking than quit heroin. .

Not everybody would agree with you there. Some folks have serious difficulty with nicotine.

Papa Smut wrote:

-Only you have the power to do that and quite frankly I hope you do quit, so I don't have the misfortune of meeting you outside a bar one night while you preach to me about the evils of smoking, while, a fag hangs (ironically ) out of your mouth .

good point. I think I will now abandon the poacher come gamekeeper role and just get happy with the fact that I soon won't have to hang about outside the pub door anymore

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