New Ciggs rule (yes, another)

Dyr · 09-07-2006 01:04PM

someone should call the cig police....

Dooom · 09-07-2006 01:11PM

Bambi, there's the door...

Dyr · 09-07-2006 01:13PM

seems more apt for me to disappear in a puff of smoke tbh...

*puff*

Terry · 09-07-2006 02:10PM

faceman wrote:

As long as people smoking causes damage to other people's health and cost the health service millions annually, then i couldnt care less if they up the price 100euro.

These smoking threads are pointless, it becomes agreesive smokers arguing against agreesive non smokers. Neither side ever backs down or concedes on any point. Just let the smokers die smoking and we'll all be happy! LOL

ahh, the old health service arguement.
sicne the introduction of the euro (only 4 years ago), a pack of 20 cigarettes has risen from €5 to €6.45. this is hardly in line with inflation.
where do you think this money is supposed to be going?

i think you need to speak to the tainiste about that certain misappropriation of funds.

smokers also pay more for health insurance.

[Jackass] · 09-07-2006 02:29PM

Bambi's my hero!

Do you know that nearly 75% of the cost of ciggarettes in Ireland is tax!!!

At what point does "it's for your own good" stop and "Give me your fu*king wallet sh*thead!!" begin?

This is just another way to f*ck people over...

Essentially, this guarentees more ciggarette sales (whether or not all of them are smoked at the same time etc...but over the course of the year, more boxes of 20 will be sold even when you count 10's as half packs.)

*sigh* I'm just so sick of this "nanny state" that's just fuc*ing everyone over and everything up...

faceman · 09-07-2006 02:39PM

julep wrote:

ahh, the old health service arguement.
sicne the introduction of the euro (only 4 years ago), a pack of 20 cigarettes has risen from €5 to €6.45. this is hardly in line with inflation.
where do you think this money is supposed to be going?

i think you need to speak to the tainiste about that certain misappropriation of funds.

smokers also pay more for health insurance.

Where it goes isnt the point, dont want no health issues as the result of passive smoking.

seamus · 09-07-2006 02:46PM

Boo hoo.

Suck it up.

I don't complain that I can only get decaff coffee in small jars.

It's no more expensive to buy cigs in twenties.

RandomOne · 09-07-2006 03:05PM

toomevara wrote:

The problem here is that the smoking issue is where rights and responsibilities collide. Politically I'm a libertarian and as far as I'm concerned the less the government, any government, has to do with the lives of the private citizen the bloody better...

So, that means I reckon any mature responsible adult has the god-given and inalienable right to merrily smoke themselves to death if thats what they so choose to do..and more power to 'em.

The problems begin though, when the right to smoke, collides with other people's right to a smoke free environment. Alot of people genuinely find smoking repulsive and believe that it exerts a huge negative impact on their lives, and I would also support whole heartedly these people's rights to say 'no thanks' to smoking and smoke-filled environment.

Right there with you except the last word (which I've changed in the quote. Even as a smoker, I would never go to the smoking section of a restaurant, and avoided pubs as they became too smoky. God knows what it was like for non-smokers. Some smokers are considerate and some aren't. It's those who aren't that cause the problem. A lot of the shops around me don't sell 10's anyway, so it won't make much difference if this new bit of law comes in or not, but in the UK they're now discussing raising the legal age of selling cigs to over 18's instead of 16 - probably far more effective at stopping young folk get started than removing packs of 10 from sale. Personally I'd sooner see the age change than 10-packs go purely because I can't see the latter achieving anything useful.

Terry · 09-07-2006 03:10PM

faceman wrote:

Where it goes isnt the point, dont want no health issues as the result of passive smoking.

where in this country are you going to be exposed to passive smoke?

in the open air?

oh yeah, that little wisp is going to kill you.

seamus · 09-07-2006 03:14PM

RandomOne wrote:

Personally I'd sooner see the age change than 10-packs go purely because I can't see the latter achieving anything useful.

The legal age was already raised here a few years back.

Silverfish · 09-07-2006 03:19PM

Well, I say hurrah and about time.

Now when I go to the Centra, they can't say 'I don't have 20's here, I'll give you two tens' and charge me the full price for them. In which case I say forget it, I'll get them somewhere else.

Thanks for charging me for YOUR stock control issues. Goddamn.

RandomOne · 09-07-2006 03:41PM

seamus wrote:

The legal age was already raised here a few years back.

Cheers for that.

Kinda makes the whole "not selling 10's" even more pointless in my view tho.

Terry · 09-07-2006 05:17PM

not really.
there's an election soon and the current government will use this to their advantage.
other than that, yes it is completely pointless.

Chakar · 09-07-2006 05:53PM

They want to discourage people from smoking and it makes it harder for people to get their smokes as they have to shell out 6.75 euro each time.

Dooom · 09-07-2006 06:31PM

6.45..
What about all the smokers (I'd say a fairly large percentage) who smoke more than ten a day?

I personally hardly ever buy 10 boxes anyway, so it's not that big a deal to me.

Chakar · 09-07-2006 06:39PM

There will probably be an increase in the price of a pack of twenty in Budget 2007.

Dave! · 09-07-2006 07:13PM

That's sh*t... I like to smoke every so often when I'm drinkin, and I can't smoke 20 in a night!

Dooom · 09-07-2006 07:15PM

Course you can...

Terry · 09-07-2006 07:15PM

DaveMcG wrote:

That's sh*t... I like to smoke every so often when I'm drinkin, and I can't smoke 20 in a night!

my friend was the same. he used to bring the smokes home with him and keep them for the next time he went drinking.

now he's addicted to cocaine.

Nick_oliveri · 09-07-2006 07:26PM

I just ran out of cigs!! Im broke as a joke and therefore like my ten boxes. I'd give up if i had to buy 20's. 75% tax - is this true? I cant go a cup of tea without a fag it just doesn't work!!

Ahh feck it, i'll give up now, the shops too far away. (<50 metres!)

Dave! · 09-07-2006 07:32PM

julep wrote:

my friend was the same. he used to bring the smokes home with him and keep them for the next time he went drinking.

now he's addicted to cocaine.

What a ledge!

Day-wanna-wonga · 09-07-2006 08:16PM

FranknFurter wrote:

they actually want to force people who normally have 10 a day to have 20?

I fail to see how this law directly doubles people's personal consumption. What sort of an idiot would smoke twice as much just because the box is twice as big? If I buy twice as much milk in the supermaket, I don't drink twice as much - I just go to the supermarket half the amount of times - it actually saves me time and saves money buying in bulk. It's logic.

What sort of knacker only buys 10's nowadays anyway? If you can't afford 20 fags, then money's obviously too tight for you to be smoking in the first place....

Fighting Irish · 09-07-2006 08:21PM

FranknFurter wrote:

Yep, and for anyone who says "you would be getting 20 anyway for two days" I say this........

1- Ciggs do NOT taste the same after the pack has been open 24 hours.

2- With most smokers, its a case of "if I have them I will smoke them, often without realising!"

So essentially what, they want to make people who only smoke 10 a day move to 20 a day, maybe to make up for the money they have lost by people giving up because they now have to smoke outside?.

Its crazy, and now im going to bed angry.
(had a long buffy / ciggs / ice-cream / drpepper / talking about old classic computers, night lol)

b

OK you are smoking way too much if you can notice anything like that

Fighting Irish · 09-07-2006 08:23PM

Sarge wrote:

I personally think it’s a great move that will in turn stop underage smoking, as they cannot buy the 10 packs with their lunch money anymore. Most smokers will not be bothered by this to be honest. Ruu your dad smoking major certainly won't be bothered by this as it means he doesn’t have to go the shop everyday now.

:rolleyes: so people who are over 18 and smoke should suffer because the shop keepers and government can't stop young people from smoking

Fighting Irish · 09-07-2006 08:24PM

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Just another thought:

I have only ever seen 10s available in Ireland and the UK and I've travelled to a fair few countries. Many of the big international brands are only available in 20s.

(PS - This should be in the Consumer Issues Forum)

:rolleyes: who cares

Terry · 09-07-2006 08:52PM

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

I fail to see how this law directly doubles people's personal consumption. What sort of an idiot would smoke twice as much just because the box is twice as big? If I buy twice as much milk in the supermaket, I don't drink twice as much - I just go to the supermarket half the amount of times - it actually saves me time and saves money buying in bulk. It's logic.

What sort of knacker only buys 10's nowadays anyway? If you can't afford 20 fags, then money's obviously too tight for you to be smoking in the first place....

are you for real?
you're a knacker if you buy 10 smokes?

there are some complete idiots here and i would be up there with them, but that just takes the biscuit. (from the small packet. not the big one. i'm a biscuit knacker).

Day-wanna-wonga · 09-07-2006 09:52PM

julep wrote:

you're a knacker if you buy 10 smokes?

Yes. And stupid, because you have to make twice as many trips to the shop to smoke the same amount, and you also end up paying more.

FranknFurter · 09-07-2006 10:36PM

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

I fail to see how this law directly doubles people's personal consumption. What sort of an idiot would smoke twice as much just because the box is twice as big? If I buy twice as much milk in the supermaket, I don't drink twice as much - I just go to the supermarket half the amount of times - it actually saves me time and saves money buying in bulk. It's logic.

What sort of knacker only buys 10's nowadays anyway? If you can't afford 20 fags, then money's obviously too tight for you to be smoking in the first place....

It will affect consumption as most smokers, will, whether you like it or not, consume more if they are there. If you have 10, smoke ten, then realise you would like another for whatever reason, having to go to the shop often in the rain, is a good reason to try not to.

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

What sort of knacker only buys 10's nowadays anyway? If you can't afford 20 fags, then money's obviously too tight for you to be smoking in the first place....

(I smoke 20+ a day because believe it or not I choose to, (how much money do *you* spend when you go out for a drink with your friends? I rarely do that so smoking is *my* choice, I smoke only when outside or in my own home),

But, somtimes I can only afford 10. Does that make me a knacker or just a regular smoker who is'nt working at the moment due to a disability and has no choice but to live on my disability allowance? Because Im on DA, and choose to have one single vice, that makes me a "knacker" in your opinion?
If so, then fine, its an opinion I would consider ill-informed.

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padi89 · 09-07-2006 11:23PM

Buy rollies then,PROBLEM SORTED!

Victor · 10-07-2006 12:45AM

FranknFurter wrote:

Noticed in yesterdays herald that I think its from next month on (?), cigarettes can only be sold in packs of 20. No more 10 packs.

Cigarette companies target 10 packs at new users, i.e. children.

New Ciggs rule (yes, another)

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