C Ronaldo

Mr. Presentable · 17-06-2006 07:25PM #1

Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro

I thought you had to wear your last name on your shirt. I recall Hasselbaink joining Leeds and being refused to have Jimmy on his shirt

Anam · 17-06-2006 07:32PM

Of course you don't,ie Pele is really Edson Arantes do Nascimento.

Could have just been an FA policy with JFH.

whiskeyman · 17-06-2006 07:33PM

nipplenuts wrote:

I thought you had to wear your last name on your shirt.

Dont think there's much hold on that..... ask any Man Utd fan about a certain "Yordi"

Drag00n79 · 17-06-2006 07:34PM

There's plenty of examples. Fabregas has Cesc on his.

Necronomicon · 17-06-2006 07:34PM

Sure look at the Brazilian Ronaldo, and even Ronaldinho. The other day Fabregas had 'Cesc' on the back of his Spanish jersey.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-06-2006 07:38PM

How come Kanu never had Nwankwo on his back?

Thanx 4 The Fish · 17-06-2006 07:39PM

Wasn't there a guy, who had Old John on his back, heard it mentioned on Commentary.

bohsman · 17-06-2006 08:52PM

Zerouali used to wear the number 0 on his jersey for Aberdeen in the SPL, Ghanas 1st scorer had his 1st name on his jersey. Dont see any problem with it tbh

kinaldo · 17-06-2006 09:33PM

Raul Gonzales Blanco. Simply known as Raul.

el rabitos · 17-06-2006 09:37PM

c.ronaldo will be dire no matter what he puts on the back of his shirt. i'd imagine it doesnt matter what name is on the shirt anyway, they go by their squad numbers

Jonny Arson · 17-06-2006 09:38PM

whiskeyman wrote:

Dont think there's much hold on that..... ask any Man Utd fan about a certain "Yordi"

I think he knew his surname was never going to live up to someone else with the same surname!

Zapp Brannigan · 17-06-2006 09:57PM

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

I think he knew his surname was never going to live up to someone else with the same surname!

And he was right!

KdjaCL · 17-06-2006 09:58PM

PL rules and FIFA rulesare different, fifa pretty much let you put what you want on them as usually thats the name that sells boots n stuff.

kdjac

Attractive Nun · 17-06-2006 10:37PM

el rabitos wrote:

c.ronaldo will be dire no matter what he puts on the back of his shirt.

Technically, Ronaldo is one of the best players in the Premiership. Lightning fast, excellent in the air, two good feet, decent touch, impressive skill (when it comes off) and he can really strike a ball (remember that free kick he took a while ago? it started curling to the left and then curled back right, keeper was well confused). Despite what many think, he is also quite a passionate player (remember him crying after losing the FA Cup final?). If he learns how to use his skills properly, and he has plenty of time, he could be great. In another thread, I said he really just needs to work on crossing and general decision-making, and perhaps grow some harder skin and not get frustrated when the crowd or other players target him. In reality, for such a young player who gets fouled so often, he's maturing quite well.

I get quite annoyed by the overcriticism of Ronaldo. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch a talented player who isn't using his full potential, especially when people like Rooney and Messi seem to be on top of their games at even younger ages. Judging by his improvement under both Ferguson and Scolari, he seems to take constructive criticism well, so in two years or so he could be one of the best wingers around.

GuanYin · 17-06-2006 11:00PM

Attractive Nun wrote:

Technically, Ronaldo is one of the best players in the Premiership. Lightning fast, excellent in the air, two good feet, decent touch, impressive skill (when it comes off) and he can really strike a ball (remember that free kick he took a while ago? it started curling to the left and then curled back right, keeper was well confused). Despite what many think, he is also quite a passionate player (remember him crying after losing the FA Cup final?). If he learns how to use his skills properly, and he has plenty of time, he could be great. In another thread, I said he really just needs to work on crossing and general decision-making, and perhaps grow some harder skin and not get frustrated when the crowd or other players target him. In reality, for such a young player who gets fouled so often, he's maturing quite well.

I agree with your positive assessment, but I think you're overlooking one very important trait in a footballer - intelligence (that is, footballing intelligence).

As Gilsey likes to say about Danny Mills, "he is a stupid player who makes stupid mistakes". Ronaldo, has the potential to be close to the full package but I think he has suspect temprament and he simply doesn't know when to use what skills. 0-0 against Iran today and he was goving away posession left right and centre, not because he was being closed down particularly well (the guy plays against Premiership teams far more adept at closing players than Iran are) but because he tried to do showboating flicks instead of looking up and keeping possession. This pretty much invalidates his skills at the time.

The talk at the moment suggests that Van Nist is on his way out of Utd because he had a go at Ronaldo and Fegie took Ronaldos side. Perhaps what Ronaldo needs is a manager who will be critical of him (in a positive way) and actual develop his weaker side rather than rely on his strengths.

I almost hate to say it, but he'd probably be a much better player for Chelsea.

el rabitos · 17-06-2006 11:16PM

Attractive Nun wrote:

Technically, Ronaldo is one of the best players in the Premiership. Lightning fast, excellent in the air, two good feet, decent touch, impressive skill (when it comes off) and he can really strike a ball (remember that free kick he took a while ago? it started curling to the left and then curled back right, keeper was well confused). Despite what many think, he is also quite a passionate player (remember him crying after losing the FA Cup final?). If he learns how to use his skills properly, and he has plenty of time, he could be great. In another thread, I said he really just needs to work on crossing and general decision-making, and perhaps grow some harder skin and not get frustrated when the crowd or other players target him. In reality, for such a young player who gets fouled so often, he's maturing quite well.

I get quite annoyed by the overcriticism of Ronaldo. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch a talented player who isn't using his full potential, especially when people like Rooney and Messi seem to be on top of their games at even younger ages. Judging by his improvement under both Ferguson and Scolari, he seems to take constructive criticism well, so in two years or so he could be one of the best wingers around.

technically nothing, he's dire, awfull and him being at utd is a plus to chelsea liverpool and arsenal.

no doubt he could run rings around the opposition players but its at the point now where its like, who really cares what he does, he's just going to kick it into the stand anyway.

he's muck, dire, awfull, a nothing, a nobody, a blemish on chelsea's ass. makelle makes easy money on players like him. valencia wanted him a while back, sell him for his overhyped premiership value says i.

Attractive Nun · 17-06-2006 11:19PM

Perhaps. Apparently Scolari did exactly that, and - while I haven't seen that much for Portugal - Ronaldo generally cut out the tricks and played exceptionally well throughout the qualifiers. He got Portuguese player of the year, first time Figo didn't win it in yonks. So it seems the potential is there at least. Whether Alex Ferguson is the right man to unlock it, I don't know.

I don't know how much of the necessary footballing intelligence is inherent, though. But if he does sort it out, I maintain that he could be one of the Premiership's (or wherever he plays) best.

EDIT: that was a response to psi

adox · 17-06-2006 11:21PM

whiskeyman wrote:

Dont think there's much hold on that..... ask any Man Utd fan about a certain "Yordi"

Or "Jordi" even.:D

Van Bronkhurst had "Gio" on his Barca shirt.

Henry also wears a first name on his Arsenal shirt!

Attractive Nun · 17-06-2006 11:27PM

el rabitos wrote:

technically nothing, he's dire, awfull and him being at utd is a plus to chelsea liverpool and arsenal.

no doubt he could run rings around the opposition players but its at the point now where its like, who really cares what he does, he's just going to kick it into the stand anyway.

he's muck, dire, awfull, a nothing, a nobody, a blemish on chelsea's ass. makelle makes easy money on players like him. valencia wanted him a while back, sell him for his overhyped premiership value says i.

I disagree, I'd say give him at least two years to develop his game. He's a player that with just a few small improvements could become a lot better than he is. Even now, I'd rather have him in my side than not. He's a player that makes things happen, excellent on the counter and gets his fair share of goals. Yes, he may not be great for possession football and slowly building up patient attacks, but that can change.

el rabitos · 17-06-2006 11:32PM

Attractive Nun wrote:

I disagree, I'd say give him at least two years to develop his game. He's a player that with just a few small improvements could become a lot better than he is. Even now, I'd rather have him in my side than not. He's a player that makes things happen, excellent on the counter and gets his fair share of goals. Yes, he may not be great for possession football and slowly building up patient attacks, but that can change.

thats fine, just dont expect man utd to be winning any significant trophy with him in their side.

to win matches u need the ball, and if u lose it in a big european game, ur lucky to get it back for long periods of time

Attractive Nun · 17-06-2006 11:44PM

el rabitos wrote:

thats fine, just dont expect man utd to be winning any significant trophy with him in their side.

to win matches u need the ball, and if u lose it in a big european game, ur lucky to get it back for long periods of time

You're exagerrate his possession-losing I think. Usually when he runs with the ball he shoots, crosses (admittedly inconsistently) or wins a free kick. Even if you saw the Portugal game today, there were plenty of times he was given the ball on the wing, realised there was nothing on and simply passed back. Besides, I do think the problem is unfairly exagerrated in both United and Portugal when, with both Giggs and Figo getting old, he is often the only player really capable of running forward with the ball. It's all well and good to keep the ball, but you have to take risks as well. Ronaldo is often the player that makes things happen.

redspider · 18-06-2006 12:09AM

I mentioned this point in a post in another WC thread. I forget which one.

Yeah, I agree with the general point of the OP. I think teams should be forced to put on real surnames on their shirts, otherwise, whats to stop someone putting advertising in their "nickname", eg: Toyota Nakano, Louis Vluton Garcia, Nike Sheehy, etc. Not good examples but you get the point.

Pele didnt have his name on his shirts as there were no names used on shirts back then. I think FIFA should enforce a rule or else just state that anything goes, and if so, then it could become farcical. Maybe get rid of the names altogether, numbers are sufficient.

redspider

Pigman II · 18-06-2006 12:13AM

I think a player should be allowed put whatever the hell he wants on his shirt. They're already walking adverts so a few more square inches won't make much of a difference. They've a got a way to catch up with F1 drivers as it is.

redspider wrote:

Pele didnt have his name on his shirts as there were no names used on shirts back then.

http://www.bermansports.com/images/500-pele.jpg

MisterAnarchy · 18-06-2006 01:07AM

Ronaldo strikes me as a guy who practiced tricks alot when he was a kid.
He is lightning fast (Genes),very good at tricks but brainless.
He doesnt have a football brain,he isnt a natural footballer,he is artificial.
I dont think this can be coached ,you either have a football brain or you dont and he certainly doesnt have one.
He rarely chooses the correct option to pass,feign a pass,cross,or shoot.
He is an infuriating player to watch and he will never get any better.
Coming after Kanchelskis and Beckham the boy isnt fit to lace their boots.

PiE · 18-06-2006 11:12AM

Attractive Nun wrote:

I'd say give him at least two years to develop his game.

Utd fans have been saying that for the past 3-4 years.

Necronomicon · 18-06-2006 11:45AM

MisterAnarchy wrote:

Ronaldo strikes me as a guy who practiced tricks alot when he was a kid.
He is lightning fast (Genes),very good at tricks but brainless.
He doesnt have a football brain,he isnt a natural footballer,he is artificial.
I dont think this can be coached ,you either have a football brain or you dont and he certainly doesnt have one.
He rarely chooses the correct option to pass,feign a pass,cross,or shoot.
He is an infuriating player to watch and he will never get any better.
Coming after Kanchelskis and Beckham the boy isnt fit to lace their boots.

I think you missed the point of the thread....
Edit: Actually my apologies, the thread descended into a big Ronaldo debate before your post...

Attractive Nun · 18-06-2006 11:55AM

MisterAnarchy wrote:

I dont think this can be coached ,you either have a football brain or you dont and he certainly doesnt have one.

Perhaps, but how do you explain his apparent improvement in performance for Portugal? Like I said, maybe he doesn't have the perfect football brain, but I'm sure his ability coupled with some experience will make him at the very least a good player.

PiE wrote:

Utd fans have been saying that for the past 3-4 years.

The last 2-3 years, maybe. And he has improved significantly since then, and he does occasionally have great games. I'm not suggesting that he's in the same category as all of these, but many many players have not reached their potential until later in their careers. Zidane, Toni, Joe Cole to name three off the top of my head. Joe Cole seems the perfect comparison, a skilful player who constantly wasted possession with seemingly pointless flicks, sidelined at Chelsea who now has developed into a very valuable player.

Attractive Nun · 18-06-2006 11:55AM

Necromomicon wrote:

I think you missed the point of the thread....
Edit: Actually my apologies, the thread descended into a big Ronaldo debate before your post...

My fault, apologies.

Ruskie4Rent · 18-06-2006 12:29PM

el rabitos wrote:

thats fine, just dont expect man utd to be winning any significant trophy with him in their side.

to win matches u need the ball, and if u lose it in a big european game, ur lucky to get it back for long periods of time

Yep, but at least i'll have a smile on my face. I'll have no hair left after me pulling it all out but at least it's fun watching him play from time to time. More fun than watching makalele anyway:rolleyes:

PHB · 18-06-2006 02:00PM

Originally Posted by PiE
Utd fans have been saying that for the past 3-4 years.

Really, they were saying that when he was at Sporting Lisbon?
Nuts

I'd pay to see Ronaldo play, and I'm fairly sure a lot of other people here would, that's the ultimate compliment to him. He will be the best player in the world at some point, personally I think ahead of Rooney.

As for the name on the shirt thing, in South America and Iberia first names are often used as names on the shirt.

One must remember what Ronaldinho means!!
Ronaldo was too prominant for their to be another Ronaldo, as Ronaldinho could have been called, so he is called,

Ronaldinho

Also known as 'Little Ronaldo'

Lemlin · 18-06-2006 02:46PM

PHB wrote:

I'd pay to see Ronaldo play, and I'm fairly sure a lot of other people here would, that's the ultimate compliment to him. He will be the best player in the world at some point, personally I think ahead of Rooney.

You'd pay to see him if he's having a good game. That's the thing with Ronaldo, you're never sure.

As for the other point, Rooney is a far better prospect. Ronaldo is failing to prove his potential so far.

C Ronaldo

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