Professional Juror

25-05-2006 10:41AM #1

Do you think if there was a course in college (to spot body language and stuff that can tell you whether a person is guilty or not guilty) that it would be good to study it and after 4 years become a professional juror?

Wouldn’t it be good to tell people you were a professional juror (or do it but not tell people as that would defeat the purpose?)
Given the way our justice system is in Ireland < do you think this would work if you kept your profession a secret?
Or do you think the whole random jury duty thing works?

Fanny Cradock · 25-05-2006 10:49AM

How exactly would this work?

I'm not sure that scratching your left ear lobe is a sign of guilt. However, a bloody axe in the head of a victim with your fingerprints on it is!

Sleepy · 25-05-2006 10:56AM

Uhm, aren't you essentially just suggesting trial by a panel of Judges?

ST* · 25-05-2006 11:04AM

I think shes looking for some sort of course in criminal behaviour / profiling.. Have you been at the law and order repeats CSG?

Dreamer 7 · 25-05-2006 11:06AM

I was called for jury duty in April, all of my family had previously been called but got out of it. I did it and I loved it, im in total agreement !

I would definetly do it as a full time job! I want t o do it again but i have been exempt for 15yrs as it was a murder case:(

Oriel · 25-05-2006 11:07AM

"Yeah he's guilty"
"Why do you think that"
"He kept looking at his feet".

Don't be silly. You have to go on facts alone, not ****ing "female intuition".

25-05-2006 11:08AM

ST* wrote:

I think shes looking for some sort of course in criminal behaviour / profiling.. Have you been at the law and order repeats CSG?

Nah! I wish I had time for tv I heard it's very good, just a random thought:)

impr0v · 25-05-2006 11:09AM

The idea of a jury is that it's a representative sample of your peers. Your peers aren't professional jurors.

Kur4mA · 25-05-2006 11:12AM

Yeah, I thought the whole idea behind a Jury is that it's made up of random people from all walks of life, and not people that have studied law/psychology and people's behaviours in a given situation etc...

spoofilyj · 25-05-2006 12:06PM

My gf is doing a Criminal Justice masters at the mo and I know that anyone who studies Law or law related college courses connot be selected for jury duty as its feared they know too much about the Law.

So the point is irrelivant.
Would be a cool job though imo.

ziggy · 25-05-2006 01:43PM

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impr0v · 25-05-2006 01:50PM

spoofilyj wrote:

My gf is doing a Criminal Justice masters at the mo and I know that anyone who studies Law or law related college courses connot be selected for jury duty as its feared they know too much about the Law.

You're only ineligible in that respect if you're a practising barrister or solicitor, or working as a legal clerk, etc. It's probable that either the defence or prosecution would challenge someone with formal legal training, but they certainly can be selected.

25-05-2006 01:53PM

But you know it doesnt the justice system is fcuked , a mate of mine drove home after about 16 pints on him crashed into a pole on his own road, if the pole hadnt have been there he would have killed a couple, he then assualted the guy he nearly hit because they were going mad over it

he got off when he apppealed it, he was lucky!! (and stupid in the first place it thought him a lesson nontheless)

I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE LOADS OF STORYS LIKE THIS THOUGH

SpAcEd OuT · 25-05-2006 02:04PM

sinecurea wrote:

"Yeah he's guilty"
"Why do you think that"
"He kept looking at his feet".

Don't be silly. You have to go on facts alone, not ****ing "female intuition".

lol brilliant

Hagar · 25-05-2006 02:09PM

impr0v wrote:

The idea of a jury is that it's a representative sample of your peers.

I saw a cowboy movie once and the Judge asked the defendant, who was up for horse theft, "Would you like to be tried by me or by a jury of your peers?". After a moments thought the reply was "If it's all the same your Honour I'd rather be tried by you. I don't much fancy being judged by a bunch of horse thieves"

petes · 25-05-2006 02:09PM

coolsmileygirl wrote:

But you know it doesnt the justice system is fcuked , a mate of mine drove home after about 16 pints on him crashed into a pole on his own road, if the pole hadnt have been there he would have killed them, then assualted the guy he nearly hit because they were going mad over it

he got off when he apppealed it, he was lucky!! (and stupid in the first place it thought him a lesson nontheless)

I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE LOADS OF STORYS LIKE THIS THOUGH

Who crashed where now?

25-05-2006 02:16PM

petes wrote:

Who crashed where now?

it doesnt matter

Oriel · 25-05-2006 02:33PM

Coolsmileygirl, are you drunk?

Thirdfox · 25-05-2006 02:51PM

Would love to be in a jury... unfortunately I'm studying law => if I become a barrister etc. I can't be selected, and students are exempt from jury duty...

But I agree with the point that in essence you are being tried solely by a judge(s) then (which happens at some levels: District Court, Court of Criminal Appeal, Supreme Court, Special Criminal Court). Having "professional jurors" would be like having one set of judges to determine the facts and another set to determine the law.

The question then is why have juries at all?

25-05-2006 03:05PM

sinecurea wrote:

Coolsmileygirl, are you drunk?

I cant safely say no ..but i wish i was

Mossy Monk · 25-05-2006 04:03PM

Hurray. a Judge Dread for every city and town in the country

FX Meister · 25-05-2006 04:09PM

What a dumb idea.

simu · 25-05-2006 04:12PM

4 year course for posting rights in AH proposed!

Zomg or omg?

BuffyBot · 25-05-2006 05:19PM

That would be the "jury of one's peers" concept shot to tell, wouldn't it...

Capt'n Midnight · 25-05-2006 05:31PM

coolsmileygirl wrote:

Do you think if there was a course in college (to spot body language and stuff that can tell you whether a person is guilty or not guilty) that it would be good to study it and after 4 years become a professional juror?

They have a similar program in place already.
Except they are called "Judges".

Not sure how true it is but I've heard in the legal system as was in Hong Kong the assumption was that trials in the British system everyone was assumed to tell the truth unless shown other wise and in the Chinese system it was assumed everyone was lying. ( I'm referring to the court not to the witnesses etc. )

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