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ARAM and how it's affecting the college

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,105 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    "Btw, in case anyone is wondering, we undergraduates don't see much of the money pumped into science by college/the govt. If you don't believe me, take a walk down and look at the state of Goldsmith Hall, where we have our lectures."

    I thought it looked quite nice that one time I went with my friend to a science lecture... a bit big but workable.

    Have a look at Regent House (where we have some of our law lectures!) Nice as a ballroom but not very accomadating as a lecture theatre (small, dark and noisy).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭gilroyb


    Thirdfox wrote:

    I thought Goldsmith looked quite nice that one time I went with my friend to a science lecture... a bit big but workable.

    Have a look at Regent House (where we have some of our law lectures!) Nice as a ballroom but not very accomadating as a lecture theatre (small, dark and noisy).

    Having been in them both for various BESS lectures, I have to say I think Regent House is a bit less of terrible venue than Goldsmith. Both are really awful places to try and have a lecture, but Goldsmith 'wins' for its horrible acoustics which drown out the lecturer while accentuating the JCR.

    The use of either venue for full courses though is a joke.


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have been informed that Trinity will be losing a fine economics staff member, Prof. Frances Ruane. She will become the director of the ESRI.

    Seeing as she lost the election for Provost to Prof. Hegarty, one wonders if we'd be hearing about ARAM had the vote swung the other way.

    Perhaps Trinity's first casuality?

    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/finance/2006/0511/2255699168BZRUANE.html
    Trinity economics professor appointed head of ESRI
    Marc Coleman, Economics Editor

    Trinity economics professor Frances Ruane has been appointed director of the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI).

    Prof Ruane will take up the €170,000 a year position at the end of November and will be responsible for the institute's research programme and internal management.

    "The institute has established itself as a major research centre in the social sciences both in Ireland and in Europe. I intend to build on its established strengths and am committed to engaging very actively with all its stakeholders," Prof Ruane said yesterday. Prof Ruane, who is 55, replaces Prof Brendan Whelan who will retire next November. She is currently associate professor of economics in Trinity College Dublin and holds directorships of Depfa Bank, Bord Gáis and is chairwoman of the National Statistics Board.

    Welcoming the appointment, ESRI chairwoman Mary Finan said the appointment had come at a time when the ESRI was restructuring itself and making research more relevant to the economy.

    "Managerial and governance structures have been thoroughly revitalised and a number of long-term research programmes of national importance initiated. "Prof Ruane has the ability and vision to develop further the ESRI's national contribution in the years ahead," Ms Finan said yesterday.

    The ESRI established an international selection committee to fill the position of director. The committee included Department of Finance secretary Tom Considine.

    © The Irish Times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭europerson


    Boo-urns to losing Professor Ruane. There is no finer lecturer in the Department of Economics. She will be sorely missed. For goodness' sake, look at her CV!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭Andrew 83


    In fairness director of the ESRI is a great position, I doubt that she's have turned it down under almost any circumstances.

    I always found her quite good when I was a class rep and convenor and listening to students' views. Not the best that I came across by any means but quite good without doubt. She was the first woman to run for Provost but neither her nor Hegarty was the students' choice during the Provost elction I don't think (Daithi is the one who gave me all the info on the election a couple of years back so he'll no more, I think the election was the year before I came to Trinity).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭shay_562


    Boo-urns to losing Professor Ruane.

    Ditto. It's thanks to her that I have any interest in or understanding of economics at all; it's a real shame that next year's first years won't have the benefit of her excellent teaching. To be fair, it's a tad premature (given that it seems like quite a good position anyway) to start blaming this entirely on ARAM, but it does raise some interesting questions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    shay_562 wrote:
    Ditto. It's thanks to her that I have any interest in or understanding of economics at all; it's a real shame that next year's first years won't have the benefit of her excellent teaching. To be fair, it's a tad premature (given that it seems like quite a good position anyway) to start blaming this entirely on ARAM, but it does raise some interesting questions.

    When she isn't replaced, then you can blame it on ARAM. Similiar situation in the electronics department.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    On a related matter to ARAM, the Treasurer's Office has recently uploaded the profit and loss account for the year ending 2005: http://www.tcd.ie/Treasurers_Office/Fin%20Statements/FinStat2005.pdf

    Quick Summary
    1. Income stands at €233m
    2. Expenditure stands at €235m
    3. Income up by 12% on last year, with a particularly substanial rise in 'Other Income' (i.e. non-government, non-student).
    4. Roughly 15% extra spent on academic faculties.
    5. Capital spending down over 80%.
    6. Deficit stands at just over €1.5m, 0.65% of income.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭europerson


    On a related matter to ARAM, the Treasurer's Office has recently uploaded the profit and loss account for the year ending 2005: http://www.tcd.ie/Treasurers_Office/Fin%20Statements/FinStat2005.pdf
    Wow, a €1.5m deficit!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Danger Bob


    As regards the Prof Ruane thing, I don't think that ARAM had a huge amount to do with it. I know that the school of social sciences and philosophy have refused to renew contracts of those involved with the Policy Institute and I know she's a big supporter of that institute so I don't know if there's a link but I reckon that those whose contracts weren't renewed are probably just admin-style staff.

    When it all comes down to it, she's an economic and social analyst and she was offered the job to basically be the top economic and social analyst in the country. ARAM or no ARAM, Policy Institute or no Policy Institute, she wasn't going to stick around here when that was offered.

    I think, in hindsight, it shows the value of the education she gave to those of us who were in her classes and I hope its been appreciated by her students. However, it's a big shame that future students won't get that same opportunity. I'd worry, with ARAM in place, that an equal replacement might be out of reach but I'm sure there are enough highly qualified staff members in economics to step into her shoes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Awayindahils


    good work on the party political line.

    Prof. Ruane was the reason i kept on economics and now im even less sure about my course ah well, politics form 3rd year on, someone will employ me im sorta sure anyway.

    her lecturs were brillaint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 131 ✭✭Tacitha


    Can't see why (or how) any current staff members should step into her shoes - they have their own courses, research and commitments. And running the policy institute isn't something one of them can just take on in their spare time - nor perhaps worth it when research posts (I don't of admin posts going?) have been cut. Given that Prof Ruane founded the institute, I'd imagine that the cuts in its funding this year have been very depressing for her.

    And for other reasons too, I'm not at all convinced that her departure has nothing to do with ARAM: ARAM is something which she vehemently, consistently and publicly deplored - being a leading light with the organised opposition:
    http://www.tcd.ie/local/structures/comments.php
    And she did so because she believed that the consequences for the college would be dire.

    A job like this will have been in the pipeline for ages, she was the obvious candidate; the question was always going to be whether she wanted it, and wanted to leave here. The way things are going, why wouldn't she?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    That the thing, they would be expected to. So instead of having a solid years course, you might get a course thought by two or three people, or combined with another course and cut back. while i don't know what the policy institute is, I'd imagine again her dutties in that regard would be split over several people.

    As anybody can see, having several people doing bits and pieces of a job, once done by one person, is a bad idea. Irrelavent to why she left, Aram will insure that the department in question is at a major loss, and therefore the students in that department.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭gilroyb


    LiouVille wrote:
    That the thing, they would be expected to. So instead of having a solid years course, you might get a course thought by two or three people, or combined with another course and cut back. while i don't know what the policy institute is, I'd imagine again her dutties in that regard would be split over several people.

    As anybody can see, having several people doing bits and pieces of a job, once done by one person, is a bad idea. Irrelavent to why she left, Aram will insure that the department in question is at a major loss, and therefore the students in that department.

    The policy institute is a research body, so I'd imagine this will hurt the economics research standing for ARAM. Even if one/multiple people replace her and do her duties, none will have her standing in the policy arena. The question is what happens for undergrad courses next year. She didn't leave because of ARAM, but losing her will hurt the department's ability to attract funds under ARAM.

    It's interesting to see the valid comments by economics lecturer Kevin O'Rourke regarding ARAM. While I do think it's an improvement, it is not perfect by any means.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 131 ✭✭Tacitha


    Yes, I liked Kevin O'Rourkes comments. His standpoint is, basically, that going all out to improve research ratings is fine, but ARAM won't begin to achieve that because of a number of flaws and omissions.

    Myself, I'd like to see more emphasis on quality teaching, so other comments (from the law school, e.g.) would come closer to summing up my views. But Kevin's is a logical position, and made up of solid arguments instead of the sort of random jargon of some of the centrally-produced documents.

    Was any of it taken on board?

    I would still argue that Frances Ruane is quite likely to have left because of recent changes: not ARAM per se, but this very shoddy and problematic ARAM we have, and the type of restructuring which accompanies it. Morale is very important, and her interests here have already suffered.

    The GSU has put up some very solid data on ARAM: top link at http://www.gsu.tcd.ie


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1614151&issue_id=14041
    [need to log in to view, but free]
    Trinity's future 'seriously at risk' due to funds squeeze

    THE future of Trinity College Dublin has been called into question by some of its most senior academics.

    It comes amid serious concern about how a new method of allocating resources across the college is impacting on certain departments.

    And in a further squeeze, the college is seeking savings of €7m to pay for the cost of implementing legislation which has given security of tenure to certain fixed-term workers.

    College finances are the major talking point on the Trinity campus, provoking a series of high-level meetings in recent weeks.

    The big losers in the financial shake-up are seen to be the arts, particularly languages; and the natural sciences such as geography.

    According to figures seen by the Irish Independent, spending on two-in-every-three students in Trinity could be cut, as other areas are prioritised.

    The schools earmarked for extra funding are social science and philosophy, biochemistry, chemistry, psychology, nursing, genetics, physics and dental.

    Nigel Biggar, head of the Theology Department, told a recent meeting of Trinity's Fellows and Scholars - its most senior academics - that departments where the amount of research expenditure was small were in danger of withering.

    A sub-committee of Heads of School set up in March to consider the new financial arrangements found a "strong feeling that the college's future as a holistic university is already seriously at risk".

    Resources

    The new system of allocating resources, known as ARAM, gives a greater degree of financial autonomy to schools, rewarding those that attract external research funding.

    Under the ARAM criteria, schools deemed to have excessive funding must eliminate the 'surplus' within four years, while 'underfunded' schools will see their allocations rise.

    It appears at least 15 schools are to lose a total of €10m once ARAM is fully implemented. An ARAM taskforce is developing proposals for its implementation, to be presented to a board meeting on May 31.

    Katherine Donnelly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭Stargal


    That's not a great article. There should be more reaction from staff, and there's nothing from the students.


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just for your interest...

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51380437#post51380437

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    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=50&si=1614579&issue_id=14046
    UCD staff vote on work to rule over changes

    ACADEMICS at UCD feel like 'cogs in a machine' because of the way controversial reforms are being introduced into the country's biggest university.

    Now the local branch of the Irish Federation of University Teachers (IFUT) are ballotting on a work-to-rule type action in protest against the manner in which the 'change agenda' is being managed.

    A survey has shown dissatisfaction at the manner in which restructuring and modularisation are being pushed through.

    In addition, the majority of those who responded said that they did not feel free to express their views on any topic.

    The survey challenges the official view of support for the changes which has seen the number of departments slashed and the creation of new colleges to replace faculties.

    However, an official UCD spokesperson pointed out last night that only a fifth of the university's 1,000 academics took part in the survey and that only eight in the College of Business and Law did so.

    He also said that most staff had responded very positively to the extra workload in the interest of the students.

    But Gerald Mills, who chairs the local branch of the IFUT, insisted that there was widespread dissatisfaction and a feeling that the union should take a stand.

    He said that under Sustaining Progress their capacity to take conventional industrial action was limited.

    Among their grievances are what they say is the excessive administrative burden on academic staff and the appointment of persons to significant positions without open, transparent and fair procedures.

    John Walshe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 magicaltrevor


    this is what the fatcats don't want you too see


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭Ron DMC


    this is what the fatcats don't want you too see
    Wait a minute. Is that Shane?.....

    ...posting?
    :eek: :eek:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    xeduCat wrote:
    I'm Myth's predecessor. Last year's education officer.

    ARAM is in in principle - i.e. the Board has decided that it is happening. For 05/06, they 'applied' 10% of it - i.e. if you were due to go from 1,000,000 to 600,000 (i.e. a 400,000 cut), you would be cut from 1,000,000 to 960,000 (i.e. 10% of the cut of 400,000). Then in the next year (06/07), I think it would rise to 40%, and then more in 07/08 and the full amount in 08/09 (I think). So what's happening at the moment is a mix of 'preparation' and 'actual cuts'. There's an added complication in that it helps right now to have your house in order - i.e. to be due to 'win' after ARAM comes in. For example, when they were dealing with approving new positions or replacing retired staff at the end of last year, there were two procedures - one for schools due to get more money in ARAM and one for schools due to lose. Naturally, the procedure for schools-due-to-win was more favourable than for schools-due-to-lose. So everyone is trying to spin their figures for that an other reasons...

    Some questions spring to mind:

    1. How does one judge the difference between a when a University is a research institute and when it is a teaching institute? What "metric" is there for that?
    2. If research funding is part of ARAM (and publications/research students/post doctorals rated in it) then why are full time staff employed in such positions not offered pensions and why are the costs of pensions built into the fugures?
    3. If staff want pay increases and these increases are to be linked to productivity how does one judge a "good" librarian/lecturer/head technician from a "bad" one?
    4. From a global point of view the State can ask how much more/less does the state pay in salaries+grants(student and research +building etc.) and what have you to show for it i.e. how many more people employed/ papers published in journals/triadic patents/graduates at various levels etc.
    Frequently we hear of how well universities are doing but never do we see in a single publication how much overall it is costing and what we have to show for it. this is only a monetary point. I am not suggesting that a theatre festival or a sports event for example (which may have wide and unseen impact) should be only to make money but lets face it capitated bodies and such events really dont even approach the 5 per cent central funding do they? And in any case they should be covered by capitations. so the question is how much did it cost over the last decade (per year) and how much more/less did the state get? If ARAM cant answer that then how can anyone justify increased funding for the sector?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭cuckoo


    Re: threats of industial action in UCDD, is that likely? I've heard that SIPTU staff there are a bit unhappy too.

    And, does anyone know what 'work to rule' for university lecturers would actually entail?

    *waves 'hi' at ISAW, haven't seen you posting for a while*


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    cuckoo wrote:
    ?

    *waves 'hi' at ISAW, haven't seen you posting for a while*

    thanks.
    I was ill. then i was abroad (for an eclipse). then I was abroad again. due to my illness I havent been able to concentrate so my posts might have come out as coherent prose instead of the usual garbled and cryptic gobbledegook.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭gilroyb


    The opinion page of todays Irish Times has an article by a TCD lecturer (I think) about funding for humanities being forgotten in the race for research. I don't have a link because I just saw it while on a break in the arts block.


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gilroyb wrote:
    The opinion page of todays Irish Times has an article by a TCD lecturer (I think) about funding for humanities being forgotten in the race for research. I don't have a link because I just saw it while on a break in the arts block.

    It's Prof. Jane Ohlmeyer, Head of the School of Histories & Humanities.

    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2006/0519/1388370418OP19HUMANITIES.html
    Value of humanities ought to be recognised

    Are the humanities being forgotten in the drive to find funding for science research, asks Jane Ohlmeyer.

    Do we remember the past or risk repeating it? How can we still think when there is so much information? How do we stop worrying about culture clash and embrace our diversity?

    Some of the biggest issues facing the modern world are the concern of the humanities. The humanities, which broadly comprise the disciplines of archaeology, classics, history, language (ancient and modern), linguistics, literature, philosophy and religion, are intimately connected with every aspect of contemporary Ireland.

    They provide us with a unique vantage point from which to pose awkward questions, to challenge orthodoxies, to develop our ability to tolerate, to engage with ambiguity and to explore what is - and what has been - distinctive about Irish, European and global culture. The humanities also allow us to celebrate the expression of the human condition in its numerous manifestations and place human values at the centre of our world. They are the heart and soul of a civil society.

    As a nation we seem passionate about the humanities. We enjoy an acute and, at times, painful awareness of the importance of the past and how it shapes the present. Our heritage as a land of "saints and scholars" is one that we cherish. Local historical societies flourish, literary and cultural summer schools proliferate, the appetite for archaeological, classical and historical drama and documentaries is insatiable, public lectures and extramural classes attract sizeable audiences and the reading public engages with serious works of scholarship. Within the universities the humanities continue to attract students, undergraduate and postgraduate, of exceptional quality who are trained to think critically and for themselves. We do not have to "sell" the humanities to students. They vote with their feet.

    Yet recent media coverage suggests the humanities have lost sight of the central and critical role they have to play. Some have argued that without immediate reform and radical redefinition the humanities in general and "minority subjects" in particular risk marginalisation, even extinction.

    At a national level the prospect of a renewed cycle of PRTLI (Programme of Research in Third Level Institutions) Government funding and the continuation of schemes run under the auspices of the Irish Research Council for the Humanities and Social Sciences are encouraging. The advent from the late 1990s of limited amounts of humanities-orientated funding has already transformed the research culture of many institutions. It has resulted in the production of world-class research and of e-resources, especially databases and digitisation projects. Meaningful, interdisciplinary and collaborative research networks within our institutions, in Ireland and internationally, have also been nurtured alongside the research agendas of individual scholars. Equally important, this funding has provided for training of graduate students - the lifeblood of any discipline - and the career development of young academics.

    Unlike medicine or science or engineering, funding research in the humanities is deemed to be relatively "cheap". But is this because we have been doing humanities research "on the cheap" for far too long? If we are ever to succeed and to compete successfully on an international stage the Government must accept that the humanities have been chronically underfunded for decades.

    Equally, our universities need to be sensibly resourced on the basis of multi-annual cycles, rather than the current "feast or famine" model (which is more famine than feast) that neither facilitates nor promotes meaningful strategic planning. We need immediate investment in our research infrastructure. This includes the upgrading of our "laboratories" - our archives, libraries, galleries and museums - in the form of funding for catalogues, conservation and digitisation projects, as well as capital expenditure. Equally vital are the schemes which support postgraduate and post-doctoral initiatives and one can only hope that considerable sums recently earmarked for the development of the fourth level will benefit students in the humanities.

    While the lion's share of this funding should, especially in the absence of fee income, come from the State, it is also important to convince the private sector to invest in the humanities. Here the Americans are leading the way with huge foundations such as Guggenheim, Getty and Mellon. Yet closer to home the Germans have the Volkswagen Foundation; the Danes have Carlsberg; the Leverhulme Trust and Wellcome Foundation are active in the UK; and even Scotland has the Carnegie Trust. As yet there is no Irish equivalent to Mellon, Leverhulme or Carnegie.

    Significant and sustained investment in our researchers, our research environment, and our research infrastructure will allow the humanities to continue to play a critical role in helping to shape a civil society in a world that is shamelessly present centred. However it is incumbent on the humanists to reach out to the wider community, the public and private sectors, the media, the "creative industries" and to ask what the humanities can bring to them.

    As Ireland reaches political maturity and generates unprecedented levels of wealth the humanities are our best defence against forgetting the big questions of human existence amid all of the soulless objects, the useless, unbidden information, and the "price-over-value" marketing messages that get pushed into our daily lives. Who understands the threats of globalisation better than a scholar of languages and cultures?

    Who understands the dangers of taking a short-term view better than a historian? Who sees the dangers of fractured communications and information overload better than someone who studies narrative for a living?

    Jane Ohlmeyer is head of the school of histories and humanities at Trinity College Dublin

    © The Irish Times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭John


    That's a good article and to be honest I've always wondered why nobody seems to give a damn (financially) about art. Every other major city in Europe has galleries, exhibitions and installations happening all the time but in Dublin there's very little.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,579 ✭✭✭Pet


    The art students I know will rant for hours about Dublin and the lack of facilities, or even regard for art among the general populace. It just doesn't seem to attract many people except for the bourgeoisie, unlike in most European cities where art and art appreciation isn't dependant on class or income.

    Half of the students I know aren't even aware that the National Gallery is right across the road from Lincoln Place, and most don't have a clue where NCAD is. It really is shameful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭John


    And how many people wander into the Douglas Hyde or the Old Library for the exhibitions out of the student population? Philistines!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭gilroyb


    I know it's off-topic, but I have to ask. Why should students go to these places if they obviously don't want to?

    Remember, these galleries are publicly funded, so if they had an entrance charge, that money could be going towards funding 3rd level education. (Feel free not to attack me about this last point, it's mainly just there to make this post slightly less off-topic than it is)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭John


    Of course they shouldn't if they don't want to. But why do they not want to? Any other country I've been to the museums and exhibitions are always packed and not just with tourists. The Douglas Hyde seems to be perpetually empty, I can never understand why people don't want to go in and see what's there considering the exhibit changes so often.


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