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PC Magazines
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Sniffy?....
....Righty before this goes any further I'll do what I didn't want to in the first place, which is waste time pointing out how your reply to JMCC was mainly out of context and not backed up by any concrete alternate points.
I do not thingk he was 100% right, but your response was just too silly to let go without comment.
This whole thing was too big for Reply&Quote, apologies.
JMCC
The main problem with Irish magazines is that the Irish market is too small.
Size isn't everything. There are some excellent knowledgeable people writing on it business and technology matters in this country.
- His point I believe was that it was hard for an Irish magazine to survive without losing to bigger foreign publications, or becoming advertisement rags. As is also indicated by his next point (Below) being expressed separately. You responded to the wrong point with this.
JMCC
The other problem is getting clueful people to write for magazines. Most get drowned out in the cacophony from the technology journalists. These people have no technological background
Not true in all cases and not relevant in many others.
- Not backed up by any examples, and seems at best hopeful vaguery. You've basically told us the piece of string is indeed >this< long.
JMCC
and are not part of the community.
Oh please!!!! If you want to blackball people out of your little clique, go join a gentleman's club or the masonic order, if they'll have you
- I believe this was just backing up his point of how detached many technology journalists are from what is really going on. They deal with press releases and text book facts rather than actively being a part of Irelands technology community (Not just boards.ie or hakcwatch). My own personal opinion is that this is true, I have yet to read an Irish PC mag that has actually made me feel like they had a real interest in what they were writing. They are primarily journalists who happen to have gotten a job writing about PCs.
This has also been echoed by Shinji I believe
JMCC
Content wise it is light.
Not like you to be so reticent. Tell it like it is.
- Hell of a refuting argument.
JMCC
The internet has supplanted the magazines for news - why wait a month to find out what happened when you can have the news in seconds via the net? So Irish magazines are faced with better news coverage on the net, better analysis on community sites like boards and massive competition from the UK. This is why most of them become publications that consist of advertising punctuated by sequential spelling.
Yeah right!!!!!
I notice that a website purporting to be 'Ireland's leading technology news site' hasn't been updated since May 1st!!!!!!
Maybe its news gatherers are too busy posting opinionated drivel on bulletin boards :-)
At least PC Live!, Computers in Business, and some of the others you slag off have brought out July issues.
'Why wait three months to read on hackwatch, what you can read six weeks ago in a proper publication???????
I'm waiting for more of your 'regular if aperiodic' contributions.
- This is the clincher. JMCC states the internet is a better source of information, and you refute it by insulting him personally and using just one site as an example... To make it nice and simple, Internet = B I G, 1 site = irrelevant.
And while those magazines may well have July issues it will be with news/reviews/whatever that have been on the web for 1 to 2 months already.
The basic thrust is that you need value addition in the content, since hardcopy cannot compete with online sources for simple logistical reasons. Instead of acknowledging this you have made a blatantly bad argument, one that is indicative of the type of detachment and lack of understanding ascribed to Irish Pc journalists in his original post.
If you wanted to make a point about the quality of Irish PC journalism in any of this I think you have done a very poor job.
Oh and implying that Shinji's oppinion or experience was of any less worth because he happens to work in the UK was almost funny.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
Sniffy?........Righty before this goes any further I'll do what I didn't want to in the first place, which is waste time pointing out how your reply to JMCC was mainly out of context and not backed up by any concrete alternate points.
I do not thingk he was 100% right, but your response was just too silly to let go without comment.
This whole thing was too big for Reply&Quote, apologies.
</font><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
JMCC
The main problem with Irish magazines is that the Irish market is too small.
Size isn't everything. There are some excellent knowledgeable people writing on it business and
technology matters in this country.
- His point I believe was that it was hard for an Irish magazine to survive without losing to bigger foreign publications, or becoming advertisement rags.
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PC Live has been going for more than five years now. And it’s been growing too. Other magazines (eg Irish Computer/ComputerScope) have been going here for ten years or more. Survival is possible in a small market if you do things right. Oh and ‘advertising rags’ don’t last too long if nobody reads them. First rule of advertising is: ‘follow the audience’
Point refuted.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
JMCC
The other problem is getting clueful people to write for magazines. Most get drowned out in the cacophony from the technology journalists. These people have no technological background
Not true in all cases and not relevant in many others.
- Not backed up by any examples, and seems at best hopeful vaguery.
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I happen to know that PC Live’s chief reviewer does indeed have a technological background and has got a string of industry qualifications under his belt. Many of its columnists are specialists in the area about which they write.
The Sunday Business Post has dumbed down a bit lately but it has had at least two former engineers writing about the tech industry in its news pages (NOT the supplement) in recent years.
The Irish Times has some useful columnists, especially on a Friday. Though lose the Computimes column guys, long past its sell-by date.
There is an online weekly subscription publication edited by guys who may not be technically qualified but have been reporting on the industry since the year dot and are highly knowledgeable about it.
PC Live’s sister publication Computerscope has been going for 15 years or so. All of its editors since the early 90s have had scientific or engineering qualifications and have had years of experience covering the tech industry overseas. Do you now accept that jmcc’s statement ‘these people have no technological background’ is factually wrong?<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
JMCC
and are not part of the community.
Oh please!!!! If you want to blackball people out of your little clique, go join a gentleman's club or the masonic order, if they'll have you
- I believe this was just backing up his point of how detached many technology journalists are from what is really going on. They deal with press releases and text book facts rather than actively being a part of Irelands technology community
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What community? PC Live is a general purpose magazine for people who want to use popular technology. Which in this day and age is basically anybody with more than two pennies to rub together.
If you think it’s ONLY for the unwashed Nirvana T-shirt wearing geeks who think they’re Gods because they’ve manually installed a few DLLS and assigned non-default IRQs then sadly, you’re wrong. The other trade magazines have their own audiences in mind as well. If you’re not in it, then maybe you’re just not that important. Sorry guys.
No I was actually agreeing with him here.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
JMCC
Content wise it is light.
Not like you to be so reticent. Tell it like it is.
- Hell of a refuting argument.
</font><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
JMCC
- This is the clincher. JMCC states the internet is a better source of information, and you refute it by insulting him personally and using just one site as an example... To make it nice and simple, Internet = B I G, 1 site = irrelevant.
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God what a stupid argument. We have to talk about individual publications but when we talk about the Web, we have to consider the Internet as a whole, right?
Balderdash again!!
As you may or may not know, jmcc is the editor/publisher of hackwatch which he styles as ‘Ireland’s Leading Technology news Site.’ It hasn’t been updated since May 1st and it’s now early July. He will doubtless argue that he’s very busy doing other things, that the site is not his main source of income and that it’s something he does in his spare time.
Which is pretty close to the generally understood definition of JAFA.
He is in no position to slag off every other title in the country with a track record like that.
Won’t stop him though. The man’s MAD!!!!!!
Wait till the feminists get him.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by _CreeD_:
Oh and implying that Shinji's oppinion or experience was of any less worth because he happens to work in the UK was
almost funny.
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I wasn’t implying that. I was just keen to establish that we were comparing apples with apples. JMCC slagged off Irish tech journalists; Shinji tried to back it up with reference to his own experience in the UK. Different scene. Different scale. Different dynamics. He’s taking the argument off at a tangent.
For the record, CTW for whom Shinji works is one of the smaller niche publications in the UK. Some of the hacks who work for the larger mags are frighteningly techie. Bit like Shinji himself indeed, if he’s who I think he is.
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Im a small newsagent in a village called Avoca.
The way the magazine industry works in Ireland is a joke..let me explain.
If I order one magazine ..PC format for example...Newspread (my magazine wholesaler) sends me about 20 different PC titles.
Same if I order one car magazine..I get almost every car title out there.
the money forthese magazines is then taken out of my a/c by Direcct Debit even though I didnt want so many magazines...whole thing is a Duopoly...(easons is the only other wholesaler for most of Leinster)
Anyway that didnt answer your question
I dont sell many magazines but computeractice and pc live are more popular than PC format mainly due to price I'd imagine.
Ill go ring Newspread and see if they will tell me.
Sales of magazines and the amount shoved out onto the market are 2 different things.
This is especially true in the newpaper industry.
Newspread could say the 'Sell' 5000 PC formats a week but half those could be send back by retailers as unsolds.
ok baq to work now.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DemonBaby:
Anyway that didnt answer your question
I dont sell many magazines but computeractice and pc live are more popular than PC format mainly due to price I'd imagine.
Ill go ring Newspread and see if they will tell me.
Sales of magazines and the amount shoved out onto the market are 2 different things.
This is especially true in the newpaper industry.
Newspread could say the 'Sell' 5000 PC formats a week but half those could be send back by retailers as unsolds.
ok baq to work now.
DemonBaby/Newspread.</font>
Newspread are notorious for doing that!
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