Homosexuality in Public - Discussion

Show me these stats where the majority believe it's repulsive like you do. Go on.

Nothing against them as personal people, its just what they do, no one likes it. Regardless of what they publicly say, or how they act with regards to gay people, deep down practically everyone bar the gay population themselves finds homosexuality wrong/unnatural - although to be fair, I wouldnt go as far to claim everyone found it "replusive" exactly. I don't find gay people replusive either - but certainly I find the whole idea of gay sexual relations replusive (as most straight men do)

Answer me one question. Do you think your families look at you, and while I've no doubt that they love you, do they think "God, I'm so happy my son/daughter is gay. I could not wish they were straight."

I understand being gay, is a way of life that you can never change. But if you are even honest with yourselves, there is so far public tolerance can go - never is the general population going to condone homosexuality as an equal to that of normal hetrosexuality basis.

normal is very easy to define. Its what the majority believe or are.

Well ,hes right. Not that gay people are not normal in the way all human beings are normal - they are. But what they do is pretty much a deviant act going against the norms of society - making them essentially "not normal"

Btw his name is buffybot not billybot, piss off if your going to get childish

"I" is right beside "u" on the keyboard - probably an honest mistake

As somebody who has just stumbled on this thread which was top of the 'New Posts' list, I would just like to say thanks for voicing my opinion for me, as by stating 'practically everyone' i'm sure i must be included.

Tell me you find Gay sex totally natural and perfectly normal then, because that is the point I made.

Well I can only speak for myself, as I said, since moving to Dublin (very different out side of the capital admittidly), I've never had one lude remark... and I'm anything but subtle about my sexuality. Often show public signs of affection to other gay individuals, in fact the only reaction I've gotten was from people coming over to me to shake my hand for standing up for who and what I am.

I've never made a lewd remark either, and I appreciate the efforts gay people go to fight for their rights.

However

That does not change my base opinion that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong - despite how I treat them, which incidently, is exactly the same as I treat straight people - as human beings! I don't consider someones sexuality to the extent that I discriminate while talking to them.

Answer me one question. Do you think your families look at you, and while I've no doubt that they love you, do they think "God, I'm so happy my son/daughter is gay. I could not wish they were straight."

Go on, you can't even deny this one. While in fairness, I'm not trying to flame anyone here, or belittle anyone as an individual person, but society wants perfection and conformity to the social norms. I'd treat my son as good as any father could if he was gay, but secretly, although I wouldn't even voice it, I'd wish it was not so.

MobileInfantry, Some families are happy that there brothers,daughters, sons, sisters, are gay. Few families would ever wish for it due to people like you though. You're wrong about what you say as far as peoples view of homosexuality goes. Yes allot of hetro men are uncomfortable with displays of homosexuality. After awhile they get used to it though.

As regards normal, most people would agree that everyone is different, and there is no normal. If your so convinced you can define normal, define a normal Irish male to me? Have sex with a woman is not a defining characteristic.

I never said anything to the extent that "I hate gay people", or "I despise them" - all I'm saying it - its unnatural, and everyone knows it.

I mean crap aside, come on. You guys honestly thing the act of gay sex is the way nature intended? It's not. I was never arguing the rights of gay people as individuals, just the overal sceheme of things in so far as homosexuality is not the way nature intended, and therefore is tolerable, but should not be expected to be tolerated publicly flaunted.

With everything comes mistakes. Nothing on this earth, not even the most sound argument, can prove or give ample reason to suggest that homosexuality is just as much a norm as hetrosexuality is - because its not. While I'm not saying homosexuality is a crime, or something that deserves persecution - I'm as much for freedom of expression as the next guy, whatever it entails, but with homosexuality comes certain restrictions. Keep it indoors, please.

Gay people are equal on a "human being" status level. It is my opinion that no-one, certainly not a child, should be subjected to the

In order for homosexuality to be acceptable, people would need to be generic and not confined to a specific gender - which I don't see happening. Ever.

Also would like to completely agree with the last couple of posts. It is quite unrealistic to expect homosexual activities to become the norm, or accepted by society in any kind of mainstream way. They are simply too alien to most people in society. Its kinda like S&M. People will tolerate that it happens but its never going to be embraced by society in general because most people think its sick. As Tim Stephens (legal commentator) said about a recent english 'kinky homosexual activity simply isnt cricket'

Consider us narrow minded - but if I'm wrong about the general population, then surely there wouldn't be so much inequlities in the world over sexual preference - ergo I am in fact correct about the general population being opposed to its nature, if not the people who embrace it.

I never said "the entire population" - I said the "general" population.

I have to conclude that you are bored,or you wouldnt be propegating such garbage here.

Give me more credit then that - I'm not propegating garbage. I'm having an argument here, while I'm supposed to be studying for college exams which are on today. Dedication.

And no, I don't have a son either, so I can yield to that point that I truly could not fully understand what having a gay sons entails. I'm just 17. Bit young for a son, I should hope...

Same sex relations where very much common place in ancient times. I suggest you look up your history. The Romans found it an acceptable means of birth control. Many other civilizations through history practiced homosexuality. If it's unnatural, why hasn't it died out by now. People like you have a mind set that homosexuality is a new thing, something only afew decades old. For as long as men have been having sex with women, they have been having sex with other men.

LiouVille wrote:

Same sex relations where very much common place in ancient times. I suggest you look up your history. The Romans found it an acceptable means of birth control. Many other civilizations through history practiced homosexuality. If it's unnatural, why hasn't it died out by now. People like you have a mind set that homosexuality is a new thing, something only afew decades old. For as long as men have been having sex with women, they have been having sex with other men.

I am aware of that, my point being is was never and never will be accepted as a norm of society.

It will always be practised because for the simple reason, people are born that way - in the large majority of cases (I'm sure theres exceptions) you don't "catch" gayness like its a new trend. People are born that way and always will be.

Unless futuristic medicine finds a way of crushing homosexuality through genetic research then it will always be practised.

LiouVille wrote:

Your completely wrong, it is not the norm between families of animals. Thats inbreading, and if it was the norm a species would die out rappidly. It's something that can happen, and is generaly forced to happen by humans, but christ you can't be serious. Your the one talking about nature, Earthman showed an example of it in nature.

Agreed, it is not the norm, in that I was hasty.

In any case, it does happen, and by choice alot more frequently then it does in human society.

And again, in any case - its a desperate argument if we have to resort to examples of a different species to prove the moral does and dont of our own society. Agreed?

I was speaking about the nature of human behaviour and its norms, and the way in which we are structed to create families and copulate.... not nature in general ie plantlife and animals..lol

I am going to stop this now.

I'm supposed to be studying for a big exam today and I know nothing.

I'm glad to see that you think I'm nothing more then a bored poster looking for fun.

Hats off to all the posters - glad to see there was a minimun amount of rubbish, despite our differing opinions, we kept it moderately civilised, which is admirable given the nature of the thread.

Best of luck to all of you...I have a feeling I will return someday to this forum, but until later, toodles!