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  • 31-03-2005 04:06PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 839 ✭✭✭


    is it worth my while looking for a wireless BB provider and then using blueface to replace my current eircom bb and pstn line


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭capistrano


    I don't see why not. I use NTL for my broadband and I have recently signed up to BlueFace for phone sevice. You get a local number (Dublin, Galway or Waterford so far) and when the 076 prefix becomes active you'll get an 076 number as well.

    So I had the great pleasure of phone Eircom and telling them to close my account!


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    capistrano wrote:
    I don't see why not. I use NTL for my broadband and I have recently signed up to BlueFace for phone sevice. You get a local number (Dublin, Galway or Waterford so far) and when the 076 prefix becomes active you'll get an 076 number as well.

    So I had the great pleasure of phone Eircom and telling them to close my account!


    Ohhh nice!
    I've been looking for a VoIP service but I need a local phone number
    Whats the call quality of blueface like? Is their much delay?

    Also whats the story selecting a Waterford number..the site don't have too much info about anything other then Dublin.

    Luckily I have a Esat Business line so I can get my line changed to digital only....so no more eircom line rental
    Saving me 60e every two months :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭cormac_byrne


    Cabaal wrote:
    Whats the call quality of blueface like? Is their much delay?

    I've got a IrishBroadband 1Mb Breeze / Blueface VoIP / Grandstream 486 ATA setup

    When dialing there appears to be a bit of delay connecting, but no noticeable delay on the call.

    There is nowever a bit of a permanent 'mains hum' type sound.

    To be fair I havn't determined if this is due to the telephone handset,
    The Grandstream box (which connects my analog phone to the ethernet),
    some dodgy wiring in my house,
    or is a limitation of the service.

    The Grandstream ATA (analog telephone adapter) has lots of settings, so there may be room for improvement there.
    Also FYI it acts as a router and DHCP server for my LAN.

    Up until recently (and I've only had the setup a short while) the voice quality was fine, apart from some occasional glitchiness, which I could easily live with.

    Recently the quality has degraded considerably to the point of being unuseable at times, but this is the fault of my IBB setup rather than blueface.

    e.g. download 300Kbps, upload 50Kbps pings up to 50% packet loss

    Obviously the phone can't handle this, blueface advised me 128Kbps upload speed for useable operation.

    Assuming IBB can fix my speed problem then all should be well again. Am paying for 1Mb up/down speeds, even 1/4 of that should keep the phone happy, surely not a lot to expect ???

    IBB are testing 2Mb upgrades at the moment so that may explain their equipment being a bit flaky if they're experimenting with settings.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    I guess I'll see how I go with it...now whats the story with the numbers?
    The My Account section has no options or anything when I log in.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Just sorted out my 9.99e package with Blue Face....all I can say is WOW!
    almost no delay and its extremely nice to have a 051 number for incoming calls

    Best 10e I spent tbh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭sikes


    can i keep my present dublin number and is it possible to have more than 1 call going at any time?

    regards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭mneylon


    According to the sbpost most of the ISPs will be offering some kind of VOIP solution in the next few months. In the meantime Skype is a pretty good solution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭capistrano


    I don't think you can keep your Dublin number; you'll be given a number beginning with 436.

    And, yes, you can have multiple calls at the same time. You can even phone yourself and have the outgoing call on Line 1 and the incoming call on Line 2!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    sikes wrote:
    can i keep my present dublin number and is it possible to have more than 1 call going at any time?
    Yes you can keep your present Dublin number - you have to request Eircom to port it over to blueface.
    [Edit: if you are on one of the Freedom packages, check blueface webiste ]

    Multiple calls - Yes, I believe so, but you best check with support@blueface.ie to be sure.

    causal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭capistrano


    blacknight wrote:
    In the meantime Skype is a pretty good solution
    Without SkypeIn it just isn't a viable replacement for the regular phone service. Okay for making cheap outgoing calls, but then again so is blueface pay-as-you-go.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭BigMoose


    When dialing there appears to be a bit of delay connecting

    Are you pressing # at the end of dialling the number?

    I have breeze lite 1mb (new equipment), blueface and no expense going to Eircom :D I have the Sipura (sp?) interface for my dect phone. Works brilliantly. No one calling has noticed the change from Eircom quality wise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    capistrano wrote:
    Without SkypeIn it just isn't a viable replacement for the regular phone service. Okay for making cheap outgoing calls, but then again so is blueface pay-as-you-go.
    Exactly, and with blueface you can dial 1800, etc. numbers, 999 calls etc. which you can't with SkypeOut.

    Also the closest SkypeIn number is in the UK - so as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong please) anyone who does want to call you has to pay for a call to the UK :eek:

    Blueface is better than Skype on all fronts, imho.

    causal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    BigMoose wrote:
    I have breeze lite 1mb (new equipment), blueface and no expense going to Eircom :D I have the Sipura (sp?) interface for my dect phone. Works brilliantly. No one calling has noticed the change from Eircom quality wise.
    Similar story here, ntl - blueface- grandstream486 - dect quadset. Perfect :)

    I just received mt Final Bill from Eircom - THEY OWE ME €8.49 :D

    causal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭capistrano


    causal wrote:
    Yes you can keep your present Dublin number - you have to request Eircom to port it over to blueface.
    I didn't know this. I closed my Eircom account a couple of days ago, do you reckon it's too late now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    No I shouldn't think so, iirc there's some law about the length of time that must elapse before a old number is re assigned, so it should still be there for you to use.
    I presume you're on FreedomBasic or FreedomPlus, if you're 'pay as you go' you afaik you don't get a number for receiving calls.

    Phone blueface (dial 3000 from your handset - free ;) ) and Aaron will email you out a form, which is for you to request that your phone number be ported over to them. You can either sign and return it, or digitally sign and email it back. That's how it worked for me, mind it took a few weeks for the port to go through because eircom dragged their heels.

    hth,
    causal

    [Edit - fixed some typos :o ]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Blaster99


    causal wrote:
    Blueface is better than Skype on all fronts, imho.

    It depends on what you want from the service. If you want a telephone replacement then Blueface is better but if you want to talk to people for free and use it as a computer tool, Skype is better. It is better because you can also chat, send files (albeit very slowly), and the GUI is million times slicker than a SIP soft-phone is. I very rarely use Skype for phone calls, I nearly always only use it to make free calls to people I work with. And for that purpose it is excellent. You can do conference calls with Skype as well, which is also extremely useful.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    I had a few querys to do with Blue Face, mobile numbers were getting 403's errors and I wanted to check about porting my current PSTN line number over to the blue face setup.

    The support line was very helpfull and I have to say I;m impressed, so far so good...I'm looking forward to the new 076 number as well :)


    Anyone have much experience with the SPA-2100 Analog Telephone Adapter?
    http://www.sipura.com/products/spa2100.htm
    Hard to setup? Is it worth getting over the Grandstream?

    Any issues anybody come across with using the VoIP hardware over the software based setup?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    The GUI is better, but of real significance is that Skype is a proprietary technology. With Skype you can only call other Skype users for free; with blueface (SIP) you can phone any other VoIP (SIP, H.323, whatever) users for free - Vonage, Babble, Net2Phone, FreeWorldDialup etc. etc.

    Skype say they may in future build in VoIP compatability (SIP etc.), if they do that and also have a presence in Ireland (so I can keep an Irish number and use our intelligent network services) they might be worth another look. But I doubt it'll happen.

    causal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    Cabaal wrote:
    The support line was very helpfull and I have to say I;m impressed, so far so good.
    Initially I was having trouble logging in my softphone (hardphone was fine - could make/receive calls), next thing the softphone was working fine and I couldn't figure what I'd done to get it working.

    Next thing I get a phonecall "Hi, it's blueface here, I saw you were having trouble logging in so I [fixed it]... " :eek: :eek:

    How's that for customer service .. they see the problem, fix it, then let you know :cool:

    causal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭BigMoose


    Anyone have much experience with the SPA-2100 Analog Telephone Adapter?

    I've got the SPA-2000 I think. Got it from Blueface the week they first had it advertised. No reason for chosing it over the grandstream other than it has two phone ports which might be useful (not used the 2nd one so far!).

    All I did was took it out the box and plugged it in. Worked without any configuration! Although I'm sure I was meant to configure something, since it's working I've not bothered.

    Only issue I have with Blueface (which I must take up with support - my fault I've not so far not, not theirs!) is that I have trouble calling other VoIP users. I get 401 errors when calling a SIP address at nildram.co.uk. Never had a problem calling PSTN/GSM numbers, inc 1800 etc.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    blacknight wrote:
    According to the sbpost most of the ISPs will be offering some kind of VOIP solution in the next few months. In the meantime Skype is a pretty good solution

    I'd imagine Eircom will be last to do this ;)
    I think I may check with Esat and see what kind of service they may be providing.
    BigMoose wrote:
    I've got the SPA-2000 I think. Got it from Blueface the week they first had it advertised......

    I'm curious how long are you using blueface?
    for that matter how long has everybody here been using blue face?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭capistrano


    Cabaal wrote:
    for that matter how long has everybody here been using blue face?
    2 days!

    I've ordered Freedom Basic with the SPA-2100 ATA, which hasn't arrived yet, so thus far I've only been able to use the SofthPhone.

    Another think I like about VoIP is that I can run a SoftPhone in work and be able to receive home calls.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    capistrano wrote:
    Another think I like about VoIP is that I can run a SoftPhone in work and be able to receive home calls.

    On that note actually their voicemail is impresive

    Somebody calls and gets your voicemail and they leave a message..you can check it like any normal voicemail.
    But it also e-mails you a .wav file of the voicemail as well :D

    Skype charge extra for voicemail, wtf like?!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Blaster99


    Cabaal wrote:
    Skype charge extra for voicemail, wtf like?!?

    They gotta make money somehow and selling add-ons is a pretty obvious way to do it. I'm not sure if that voicemail is for SkypeIn, but otherwise if somebody isn't there you just send them a chat message which will be delivered when they connect the next time.

    Being able to take calls anywhere is pretty handy for sure. That was the only reason I wanted to use Blueface but for various reasons I don't really have that requirement any more. And a lot of companies have restrictive firewall setups that make it difficult to use SIP. Skype, to plug it a bit more, is pretty good at getting through firewalls. I presume it tunnels over port 80.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    Cabaal wrote:
    Any issues anybody come across with using the VoIP hardware over the software based setup?
    I had the VoIP hardware (Grandstream486) setup a lot quicker than I did the Softphone (X-Lite).
    I totally prefer the hardphone. In my experience with the x-lite softphone (and Skype) you tend to get echo unless you're using a decent headset. Basically I've found the hardware (Grandstream486+normal telephone) gives far better performance than the software (X-lite, Skype).

    The 486 also has an RJ11 port that allows you to connect it to your phone line so you can use it for normal pstn calls. Of course a lot of us disconnected our phone lines, so it's not needed.
    On that note, if you solely use VoIP for phone calls - if you lose your broadband - you better have a mobile for making emergency calls.
    BigMoose wrote:
    Only issue I have with Blueface (which I must take up with support - my fault I've not so far not, not theirs!) is that I have trouble calling other VoIP users. I get 401 errors when calling a SIP address at nildram.co.uk.
    I'm not sure but possibly blueface have to explicitly allow access to other VoIP networks, check out this page on the blueface website which lists 'Other VoIP Networks' and says " Want another VoIP network here? Send requests to support@blueface.ie"
    Cabaal wrote:
    for that matter how long has everybody here been using blue face?
    3 weeks for me. Blueface only launched in December last year, so no-one has been with them much more than 3 months. They're a young company and I'm happy to be in early and support what they've had the vision/guts to do.


    causal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭BigMoose


    I'm curious how long are you using blueface?

    About 2 months now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭flodis79


    Can I use a foreign VoIP box with Eircom? They havent blocked the communication ports or anything?

    Will use it to be able to have people calling me on a local foreign number when im abroad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭capistrano


    flodis79 wrote:
    Can I use a foreign VoIP box with Eircom? They havent blocked the communication ports or anything?

    Will use it to be able to have people calling me on a local foreign number when im abroad.
    Sure, for example, you could sign up to Packet8 in the USA for $19.95/month and get a local number anywhere in the USA or Canada aswell as unlimited calls to anywhere within USA/Canada and cheap call to everywhere else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭secret_squirrel


    Just to clarify the situation with Dublin geographic numbers on Blueface - Does anyone have their number up and running yet?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭cormac_byrne


    Yes, I had mine within days of ordering (weeks before I got broadband in fact) all I could do was check my voicemail via email, the blueface team really seem to have got their act together. Their tech support is excellent too. :D

    Now all I need is for IBB to fix my upload problem
    (my upload speed is permanently below 14.4 kbps :confused: )
    Just to clarify the situation with Dublin geographic numbers on Blueface - Does anyone have their number up and running yet?


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