Demo on Saturday

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 03:17AM #1

Anyone heading into march against occupation of Iraq and Palestine this Saturday at 2? There won't be a Trinners banner, cos we in Trinity who oppose ocupation neglected to bring a motion to SU council stating TCDSU would support the demo.
BUT
Its USI policy so we can go and march with under their banner, or even UCDSU, cos they'll be there too. Of course we could just go as individuals, the possibilities for fun and marching is endless!
It should be an injoyable day of solidarity.

John · 17-03-2005 03:20AM

foxybrowne wrote:

There won't be a Trinners banner, cos we in Trinity who oppose ocupation neglected to bring a motion to SU council stating TCDSU would support the demo.

Good to see you're organised and dedicated

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 03:21AM

Go on the crazy liberal hippy wasters, yeow.

John · 17-03-2005 03:24AM

foxybrowne wrote:

Go on the crazy liberal hippy wasters, yeow.

You said it...

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 03:36AM

John2 wrote:

You said it...

I've said lots of things during my wearisome life and most of it has been been purile and weak. But I say this now with great conviction in my heart, come to the march on Saturday and tell the government that you do not support the occupation of Iraq and Palistine, that you did not support the war for oil and that you will no longer stand for the use of Shannon Airport by US military.

Crash · 17-03-2005 03:37AM

I wish i was a leftie pinkie liberal fascist at times...

Kevin_rc_ie · 17-03-2005 03:40AM

so what's the point of marching again.

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 03:43AM

Why not, there room for everyone in this crazy mixed up world of ours.

Bob Dylan sang:
"Hey Woodie Guthrie I wrote you this song
Bout this crazy ol world thats coming along
Its beat up and tired, its sick and its worn
Its already dying and its hardly been born"

Its kind of irrelevent and off the point, but so too is much of our society.

Kevin_rc_ie · 17-03-2005 03:46AM

too true too true.

i was listening to artur funny second name, some chap from the british coal mines trade unions on marianne i'm incredibly stupid finucane today. he was ranting all this socialist propaganda too. fair play.

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 03:47AM

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

so what's the point of marching again.

Well I suppose when someone is far away, you have to speak really loudly and even say it a few times, so they get the message.

Kevin_rc_ie · 17-03-2005 03:54AM

eh ok.

so foxy u go to the jcr, i'm some times around might know you to see. i try and stay away from those mad su ppl thou. viva la resistance.

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 03:58AM

Ah I go in there the odd time Kev, the names Paul by the way.

Kevin_rc_ie · 17-03-2005 04:03AM

oh i thought ur name was foxy. my names frank by the way.

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 04:31AM

Sorry Frank, hows it goin anyway, its great to have the three weeks off, isnt it.

Pet · 17-03-2005 04:38AM

my names frank by the way.

Liar.

aodh_rua · 17-03-2005 10:52AM

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

artur funny second name

Scargill?

Nietzschean · 17-03-2005 12:43PM

has the war in iraq not proved public protests are irrelvent in alot of western countries?

certainly our government will never withdraw the services of shannon and piss off america, nor should it, it just doesn't make good business sence. And it won't have a huge effect on america, just make bush/bill view ireland a little differently. This has very little negative impact on us so its not going away.... ( o and what genius supports a pull out from iraq right now? after removing all power structures without the new ones in place yet to force them to pull out? not a bit stupid? chaos would insew(i only need point at afganistan..) , as for palestine i support that pull out, but i don't see your protest achieving that..)

Rosebyname · 17-03-2005 01:46PM

Whos occupying Iraq now? oh yes the terrorists. Im all for that allright! And I thought all these anti war protests were just anti-american. After all , America and the other forces are there with the wishes of the provisional government.

Rosebyname · 17-03-2005 01:47PM

And I doupt a motion like that would get past a referendum in TCD.

Nietzschean · 17-03-2005 01:57PM

Rosebyname wrote:

Whos occupying Iraq now? oh yes the terrorists. Im all for that allright! And I thought all these anti war protests were just anti-american. After all , America and the other forces are there with the wishes of the provisional government.

ye can't say they are occupying iraq, they were there first....

america is like the worst country in the world to run an invasion, cause everyone hates em. So when they put a new govt in power everyone ignores it... The elected one hasn't put a govt in place so that means nothing yet. Even then the sunni's never voted...

Andrew 83 · 17-03-2005 03:05PM

Darth Bobo wrote:

has the war in iraq not proved public protests are irrelvent in alot of western countries?

That's ridiculous, while the war still went ahead the amount of public dissatisfaction made a huge point and much of Europe ended up not joining the war effort. Even if Britain did, and if Ireland still allows the US planes through Shannon, it's better to show your disapproval and protest than just sit back and say 'no point it wont change anything'. thigns might not have been changed yet but if you don't try nothing ever will.

Boston · 17-03-2005 03:17PM

I find these events taking over by socalists, it really is terrible.

ferdi · 17-03-2005 03:21PM

even if you couldnt give a tos about the issues being raised by the march, i think its important to attend these demos....mass public disobedience is absolutly essential to the survival of democracy in modern western society.

Nietzschean · 17-03-2005 03:37PM

Andrew 83 wrote:

That's ridiculous, while the war still went ahead the amount of public dissatisfaction made a huge point and much of Europe ended up not joining the war effort. Even if Britain did, and if Ireland still allows the US planes through Shannon, it's better to show your disapproval and protest than just sit back and say 'no point it wont change anything'. thigns might not have been changed yet but if you don't try nothing ever will.

Um what about the netherlands, italy, spain, uk, poland -- are they no longer in europe?

The big 2 to be anti-war were germany and france, they did it as much as a political muscle flexing as going along with public opinion. Bare in mind i did also say most.

And we can show our disapproval via voting, duh. If people actually all voted instead of having silly protests things might be different.

O and FYI before the war most of the biggest anti-war protests were in the US, who incase u didn't notice continued on regardless.

Nietzschean · 17-03-2005 03:38PM

Boston wrote:

I find these events taking over by socalists, it really is terrible.

very true, another reason why i'll never goto one. And probally why no one takes them seriously anymore..... 'just another couple of socalists acting up'........

Rosebyname · 17-03-2005 04:08PM

even if you couldnt give a tos about the issues being raised by the march, i think its important to attend these demos

You dont go to a protest just for the sake of protesting. It belittles all the protests that were for an actually constructive cause.
And regardless of the US past, what do you think will be achieved when they leave? And if it is your idea darth, that because its only the provisional govt that support the US in Iraq, then the following govt (elected) will tell the westerners to pull out? and if they dont what would you think then? and in any case do you not think you should hold off the protests till sometime as the Iraqis actually want them out immediately and the US refuse?

Nietzschean · 17-03-2005 04:13PM

Rosebyname wrote:

And regardless of the US past, what do you think will be achieved when they leave? And if it is your idea darth, that because its only the provisional govt that support the US in Iraq, then the following govt (elected) will tell the westerners to pull out?

Firstly i never said the american's should pull out, i do believe i pointed out in an earlier post how stupid this would be, though possibly replacing american troops with un/EU(France/germany) and possibly chinese/russian troops would be a better solution as these country were against the war and have better public standing. But as they quite rightly view it, its america's mess, let em fix it.

and if they dont what would you think then? and in any case do you not think you should hold off the protests till sometime as the Iraqis actually want them out immediately and the US refuse?

Hey you not attacking the wrong person here? lol....might wanna read up.
US r die'n to get out of iraq, sure that many casualties ain't good for moral or public opinion back home....

John · 17-03-2005 04:49PM

I'll only go to a protest if I personally think it's worth protesting for. I was anti-war and I still am. But pulling out of Iraq now is just idiocy. I agree with Herr Bobo that replacing them with UN peacekeeping troops is far more sensible.

And why is all of this a socialist cause? I do not agree with socialism at all but by marketing all these protests as socialist causes (and it is very much marketing, walk through town on any protest day and you are bombarded with Socialist Worker knobs who think they know better) is going to put off normal people from protesting. You organise a protest in the name of the citizens of Ireland (or better still, all people living here, citizens or not), not in the name of any political movement.

And why only organise protests? Why not send as many letters and emails as possible to as many people as possible voicing your opinions? If everyone who was so dedicated to their beliefs instead of standing on the street handing out leaflets instead wrote letters every week to the same people it would make more of an impact, if only a dent.

Barry Aldwell · 17-03-2005 04:58PM

John2 wrote:

I agree with Herr Bobo that replacing them with UN peacekeeping troops is far more sensible.

It'd be the same troops with different hats tbh

foxybrowne · 17-03-2005 05:16PM

Well lets get out there and discuss these issues. There will be no better place than at an public rally.
Forget about socialism, neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism and all the rest and think about whether or not you agree with whats going on in Iraq and Palestine.

DrIndy · 17-03-2005 06:52PM

I'll probably pop by for a while, I will be just after a Patients Together protest outside the Mater A&E at 1 o'clock.

Come along to that too - and show up how crap this health service is....

Demo on Saturday

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