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  • #62
    galactus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭galactus


    elivsvonchiaing wrote:
    And this isn't existence? :rolleyes: Your bank balance is just a bunch of ones and zeros copied across a country-wide network - does it exist? Next time you go to an ATM get serious grip on what constitutes existence!

    In 100 years these same bunch of 1s and 0s will be meaningless - even if you are still alive. What our ancestors thought of as good and evil may differ to what we see. But to deny we are emotional beings is a cop-out. Even at a clinical neuro-science level. Good and evil exist simply because we observe as an emotional machine.

    And even what is "good" may only exist for one observer, or 6 billion. It exists as a good event either way.

    A joke exists, infinity exists: a bunch of synaptic lightning sequences exist in every individual, even if he thinks he's Jesus; he is in his universe.

    I'm going to sound a bit of a knob but I always thought existence requires an observer, actually - e.g. schodinger's cat- measurement = observation.

    To suggest that good and evil does not exist ... would think you shouldn't stand for election in Basra, Khabul, Dublin, Washington, Pitt cairn Islands...:eek:

    Couldn't agree more*

    Or as Milton put it:
    ... "The mind is its own place, and it itself can make heaven of Hell, a hell
    of Heaven.".


    * My opinion is subject to change of course...


  • #63
    causal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭causal


    elivsvonchiaing wrote:
    And this isn't existence? :rolleyes:
    That philosopical discussion has been going on for over 2500 years.
    It depends on how you define existence; and what you meant by "this".

    I'm inclined to consider the 'real reality' as being the actual objective reality;
    and that human 'perceived reality' is a subjective interpretation of that objective reality.
    If a human perceives something - then it exists in their brain - and sometimes, but not always, in objective reality.

    What our ancestors thought of as good and evil may differ to what we see.
    Sure, good and evil are whatever you want them to be, totally subjective.
    They don't exist in an objective reality.

    But to deny we are emotional beings is a cop-out.
    Huh? Hello, paging Dr Freud.
    What is the relevance of emotions?
    Even at a clinical neuro-science level. Good and evil exist simply because we observe as an emotional machine.
    They exist as a synaptic sequence in the brain - human or otherwise, but I suspect nowhere else in the (insert your preference here) poly/multi/omni/uni-verse.

    "emotional machine" - that's a bit of an oxymoron; although I'm sure it's piqued the interest of Lt. Commander Data of Star Trek fame.
    I presume you are not suggesting that we need emotions in order to be capable of observation?
    I'm going to sound a bit of a knob but I always thought existence requires an observer, actually - e.g. schodinger's cat- measurement = observation.
    No you don't sound like a knob at all. You're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else.
    But I think the idea you expressed that "existence requires an observer" needs some clarification.
    Are you saying that for something to exist it must be observed by a human?
    To suggest that good and evil does not exist ... would think you shouldn't stand for election in Basra, Khabul, Dublin, Washington, Pitt cairn Islands...:eek:
    Good and evil don't exist in objective reality - they only exist in subjective reality - inside peoples brains.

    causal


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