Houllier to spend 30 Million

kida · 22-04-2004 01:35PM

Mexes has said he will only join if in CL. He might be a bit too lightweight from what I've seen(i.e more of a ball player)

cournioni · 22-04-2004 02:28PM

From my point of view I think Liverpool could buy whoever they want, but it still wouldn't make any difference. I think the manager is the problem, he is not getting the best out of his players (Owen etc.). I thought Diouf was a good player and he looked a good player for his first few appearances for Liverpool but he seemed to go downhill from there. Even Heskey was a decent enough player for a year or so and he went downhill. It will be interesting to see if the same happens to Cisse (another good player).

The main problem seems to be with the management and coaching staff.

Kone · 22-04-2004 02:28PM

Originally posted by BaZmO*

I really think that Houllier must have dirt on some members of the board, and he told Heskey all about it!!!

B.

That's the best explanation I have heard!!!!

jesus_thats_gre · 22-04-2004 03:36PM

Originally posted by Third_Echelon
ah poor you.... dont like what you see?

I personally dont care what anyone has in their sigs... However, the contents of peoples sigs have directly led to a number of flame wars between posters. These flame wars contributed to the soccer forum been shut down and the new system been introduced.

So the point of my initial post was, grow the **** up and stop taunting people.

Perfect example, if I wanted to antagonise you I could simple put Evertons recent form into my signature, the fact they are burdened by debt, have not won anything in god knows how long or simple mention that ye are the knackers of Liverpool city. I personally have no intention of doing so but the purpose of such sigs is to get a response.

jesus_thats_gre · 22-04-2004 03:54PM

From reading different articles, it seems like he is getting the 30 million as well as the funds gained from the selling of players.

Third_Echelon · 22-04-2004 03:58PM

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
I personally dont care what anyone has in their sigs... However, the contents of peoples sigs have directly led to a number of flame wars between posters. These flame wars contributed to the soccer forum been shut down and the new system been introduced.

So the point of my initial post was, grow the **** up and stop taunting people.

Perfect example, if I wanted to antagonise you I could simple put Evertons recent form into my signature, the fact they are burdened by debt, have not won anything in god knows how long or simple mention that ye are the knackers of Liverpool city. I personally have no intention of doing so but the purpose of such sigs is to get a response.

well if it doesnt bother you.. why say anything???

what... the fact that they have lost 1 in the last 9 games is a good record is it not???

that wouldn't bother me.. go ahead...

not exactly burdened by debt... there are a lot worse of clubs...

Knackers of liverpool??? you obviously haven't been there....

I think that statement deserves a ban under the new rulings???

jesus_thats_gre · 22-04-2004 04:09PM

Oh please....

I am simple suggesting that all the regular contributors to the soccer forum agree not to have soccer related sigs in order to minimise possible tensions between posters.

Hopefully this would lead to less bickering and threads will actually stay on topic for a change.

paddyduff · 22-04-2004 11:15PM

It just seems to me that if a gutsy manager like David O'Leary were to take over the existing squad of players at Liverpool AND be given £30 million in the summer... I think we'd see a team going places FAST! I thought a brilliant example of the gulf between arsenal and liverpool was shown by robbie earle on the premiership not so long ago. It was a direct comparison of styles of play and it just highlighted houlliers negativity and basic bad management. Liverpool have a good selection of somewhat quality players but are continually peeing against the wind under his football philosophy. I'm amazed he still has the job. But as a Manchester United fan... long may he stay!

Jivin Turkey · 22-04-2004 11:33PM

The problem with liverpool lies solely with the manager, ok all of the player he has brought in are not top drawer, but the way the team plays doesnt let half othem show their stuff. People like Kewell, Diouf, Owen, Baros, Murphy, Riise are all not allowed to play football under houlliers style and its making them look bad.

Diouf is a player I hate to watch for liverpool, but I think under a better manager he might come good. He is still only 22/23, so he probably hasnt fully settled.

Plus Liverpool have not yet signed Cisse, it all depends on if houllier stays or goes in the summer whether he will join or not. I dont know what to make of him, Ive seen him play a few times in the last couple of years and havnt been overly impressed. He may be top scorer in the french league, but that doesnt really mean all that much.

RasTa · 23-04-2004 01:53AM

Im not a Liverpool fan but have a die hard pool mate who refuses to put any of the blame on the players which i think is rubbish. Surely some of the blame is on them not preforming this season. Only Gerrard has played well for them this season and will anyone give Houllier credit for that? nope its because he is a good player but when the players play bad its all the manager's fault which is bullcrap.

GuanYin · 23-04-2004 11:23AM

Originally posted by RasTa
Im not a Liverpool fan but have a die hard pool mate who refuses to put any of the blame on the players which i think is rubbish. Surely some of the blame is on them not preforming this season. Only Gerrard has played well for them this season and will anyone give Houllier credit for that? nope its because he is a good player but when the players play bad its all the manager's fault which is bullcrap.

Well for starters, if you compare liverpools players with that or arsenal, chelsea and utd, they are simply not good enough.

I would say that certain Liverpool players do give it their all, but they are only good enough for a top 10 side, not potential champions.

This is not their fault, this is the managers fault. Heskey, Smicer, arguably Murphy, Diou,Diouf and that comedy centre back they have (Biscan) are not championship players.

Of the ones that are: Hamann, Gerrard, Riise, Hypia, Henchoz, Baros, Owen and maybe Kewell (if he feels like it that day) are either played out of position, not played to their strengths or not played at all.

Now 8 players of that standard *should* be enough to challenge for the championship, but after those players the squad is a joke (in comparison with the top 3, even Newcastle have a better squad imho) and, as I said, if your best players are playing a game foreign to them or hugging the bench, what do you expect?

So if you look at Liverpools biggest problems:

Players not good enough
Squad not strong enough
Players out of position
Players not played to their strengths

ALL of these things are managerial faults.

If players underperform at liverpool atthis stage, I'd think its probably morale, and again, I'd blame Houllier for that.

[edited for spelling and to name and shame Biscan

]

Third_Echelon · 23-04-2004 11:56AM

i think you've hit the nail on the head there...

Kone · 23-04-2004 12:05PM

Aye, syke, you've got it spot on!

Big Ears · 23-04-2004 12:12PM

I agree . But Cisse is class .

Big Ears french related transfer tip for Liverpool : Buy Giuly ( of course under houlier he would be crap but any other manager and he would shine . )

eirebhoy · 23-04-2004 01:07PM

During Richie Partridges 9 (?) years at Liverpool he couldn't have got injured at a worse time. They have no natural right winger at the club and I have no doubt (well, a little dount

) that he would have got his chance this season. I read a few weeks ago that he was going to sign another contract with Liverpool, his contract was supposed to run out this month. Did he sign a new one?

If Partridge ever got his chance on the right and took it, all Liverpool would need is Cisse and a centre half (Mexes) and I believe they would be up there with the top three. They wouldn't even need he 30mil IMO.

____________________Kirkland_____________________

Finnan_______Hyppia__________Mexes_______Carragher

Partridge_______Hamann________Gerrard_______Kewell

_______________Owen_______Cisse________________

subs:
Dudek
Riise
Henchoz
Murphy
Baros

Others:
Cheyrou
Pongolle
Le Tallec
Welsh

That starting 11 is perfect IMO. The backup is OK but OK is good enough, Arsenal don't have the biggest sqaud in the world but they still "won" the premiership.

Big Ears · 23-04-2004 03:25PM

Ya thats a fairly good team .

U might want to send G.H. an E-mail of it ( but he would reply saying where can i put Heskey , Biscan )

GuanYin · 23-04-2004 03:56PM

Originally posted by eirebhoy
Arsenal don't have the biggest sqaud in the world but they still "won" the premiership.

Arsenal don't have a big squad but their replacement players are far better quality than Liverpools.

Obviously goes without saying at Chelsea and its easily arguable about Utd.

That looks a decent squad but needs a good covering central midfielder (I don't think murphy is as good) and another player to cover the fullbacks and perhaps another left midfielder.

eirebhoy · 23-04-2004 07:26PM

Originally posted by syke
Arsenal don't have a big squad but their replacement players are far better quality than Liverpools.

Obviously goes without saying at Chelsea and its easily arguable about Utd.

That looks a decent squad but needs a good covering central midfielder (I don't think murphy is as good) and another player to cover the fullbacks and perhaps another left midfielder.

The thing is, Arsenal can attract good players that would be willing to play the odd game, Liverpool can't. If Liverpool buy a high profile central midfielder, left midfielder or fullback they will either have to play him all the time and leave one of the current players out or keep rotating the team (which Ranieri proved doesn't work). If he doesn't buy a high profile figure he will most likely fail. I think The likes of Cheyrou, le Tallec and Murphy would fill in for Hamann or Gerrard for a couple of matches if they had an injury or whatever. Actually, just thinking, most people would find it hard to name 7 players to put on Madrids bench.

JippoKelly · 23-04-2004 11:43PM

Syke got it spot on.

While some of the players are quite obviously not up to scratch, there are still enough good players to make the gap between ourselves and United (1 place but 21 points) seem appallingly inadequate.

Houllier has bought poorly, sold his better players, consistently used players out of position, dumped players who don't share his 'footballing vision', and blamed everyone and everything under the sun for his failings but himself.

How he even got the job in the first place baffles me. After his tenure as France manager, the national team was a joke (failed to qualify for USA 94 thanks to two losses to Bulgaria and Israel in their final two games when all they needed was 1 point). It's worth noting that he blamed Ginola for his failure to lead them to the World Cup.

His only discernable talent (apart from ruining palyers' careers) is his ability to talk his way out of trouble. He seems to be able to worm his way around any criticism levelled at him.

Jivin Turkey · 24-04-2004 02:34AM

Houllier is dire and has no appreciation for creativity and skill, hence his criticism of ginola etc. People like Kewell will never perform under him because of his style of management.

PS Liverpool have not yet bought Cisse and will not do until Houllier is confirmed as manafer for next season, which personally I think will never happen.

AngelofFire · 24-04-2004 02:51AM

Houllier has only signed one world class player imo. Harry kewell. he has got to sign proven world class players. players like Kluivert, Imbrahimovic, Van der Varrt and Ronaldinhio would really take liverpool forward. signing players based on their form over a short period of time eg diouf at the world cup is not the way to go about it. houllier must sign proven players who are strong in many ways not just one way. for example heskey is strong and good at holding up the ball, but hes crap otherwise. to be honest they need a change of management. a fairly young manager like jose mourinho would do the trick. or roberto mancini whos doing a brilliant job at lazio especially when you consider the players they have lost as a result of their financial situation.

Houllier to spend 30 Million

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