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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,056 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    https://u24.gov.ua/
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,942 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel have invaded Lebanon 6 times in the past 50 years. Usually it's to target Hezbollah terrorists who fire rockets into northern Israel on a regular basis. This time they also plan to annex large portions of southern Lebanon.

    Thus far the casualties in Lebanon are 3,756 killed and 11,632 injured. 1.2 million+ civilians have been displaced. 2 civilians have been killed in Israel.

    Do you see how easy it is to answer questions honestly without running away? You should try it.

    Tell me this, why do Hezbollah fire rockets into Israel?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Hezbollah's status as a legitimate political party, a terrorist group, a resistance movement, or some combination thereof is a contentious issue.[499]

    As of April 2026, Hezbollah or its military wing are considered terrorist organisations by at least 28 countries, as well as by the European Union and since 2017 by most member states of the Arab League, with the exception of Iraq and Lebanon, where Hezbollah is the most powerful political party.

    Most countries do not classify Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. We went along with the EU.

    If Hezbollah is to be considered a terrorist organization then surely most sane and rational people would consider the government of Israel a much greater and sinister terrorist organization.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,056 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    The reason Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel is simple: their Iranian paymasters want to attack Israel by proxy.

    Hezbollah kicked off the most recent round of hostility on 8/Oct/23 (the day after the 7/Oct attacks by another Iranian proxy, Hamas) by firing large numbers of rockets into Israel, to such a degree that Israeli civilians had to evacuate Northern border areas.

    Hezbollah attacked Israel and continues to do so, yet the story from certain quarters continues to be the same: "We only care when Israel responds." The fact that Hezbollah started this and continues to push, I note, continues to be hand-waved away.

    Do you disagree?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif says US-Iran ceasefire is “now in place” with the deal signing ceremony scheduled for June 19 in Switzerland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like a deal is reached, plans for a signing ceremony to be held on Friday in Geneva. Fighting to end on all fronts starting tonight and a few more talks to be held this week.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Hezbollah military v civilian review.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/27001516



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,942 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It's not that simple. Yes Iran bankrolls Hezbollah but they have been fighting Israel for decades. Hezbollah cite previous invasions of Lebanon, the treatment of Lebanese prisoners and Israeli occupation of lands from previous invasions and conflicts. There were ceasefires in the past but they don't tend to last.

    Would you agree that Hezbollah increased hostilities due to the genocide in Gaza?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,942 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel will be brainstorming how to destroy the peace plan.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,816 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I don't believe for a second there will be a deal signed, and if it will be it'll probably violated almost immediately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Probably, but everyone can see who never wanted an agreement and who tried to prevent it at all costs. Keep in mind Trump has not the best record of keeping to any agreement and it is just an agreement to actually start negotiations.

    Also it includes Gaza so it is a total disaster for the Israeli regime especially Netanyahu, if he loses the election he will be off to prison.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,056 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    I think Hezbollah attacks Israel for the same reason any mortal enemy attacks another - it is their desire to do so.

    What was Israel doing to Hezbollah on 7/Oct/23? Are you claiming that Hezbollah was provoked?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,020 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Israeli media are speculating that Netanyahu's bombing of Lebanon today totally backfired on him and the regime. Far from collapsing the Iranian peace deal, it actually speeded things up and made Trump more anxious to sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭combat14


    israel were probably hoping iran would respond with missiles today .. and they would not have held back on iran this time

    iran managed not to fall for the bait this time but its hard to see this "deal" holding there are so many moving parts from uranium, strait of hormuz, hezbollah, sanctions, frozen funds etc. something will give



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Trump needs to completely cut off Israel, otherwise Netanyahu won’t take Trump’s threat credibly on Lebanon (“You will be on your own”).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Trump seems to be owned by Israel. Maybe something in the Epstein files or something else (his children?)

    Israel was in a quagmire, now they can reload and blame Trump and Trump can blame Netanyahu. Then after the mid terms they can resume killing school girls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It took 10 weeks to agree a tentative non binding 14 point plan. Hormuz is set to open on Friday after the signing ceremony, then hundreds of ships will be on the phone to insurance companies to get cover. Once the all clear has been given that there are no mines floating around they can all get in a big line to make it out and head off on the slow journey to their destinations.

    Problem is who is going to risk coming back in to collect oil when at any point it can all kick off again and they could end up locked in for months again ?

    1.2 billion barrels of oil have been drained from global commercial and state oil reserves in 110 days, it's going to take at least a year to get the regions oil back in full operation.

    Trump now has a chance now to avoid a total economic disaster the like of which has never been seen and Netanyahu needs to avoid looking like a total failure to his voters, win his election and keep himself out of prison.

    Meanwhile Iran fully understand this, will get some needed economic relief, can still shut the strait in a morning if needed and will carry on fighting if negotiations collapse.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    No, Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation, no question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The strategic problem for Iran is that they played the big card and it is now on the table. Once a card is on the table, it can be trumped. Keeping the card in your hands maintains a threat.

    Within three years, Emirati and Saudi oil will be piped to the Israeli coast and exported via the Mediterranean. Alternative ports will be ramped up for others. Hormuz will be a minor factor and closing it will affect Iran more than anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'm never sure whether posters are being ironic if they use cards and trumped in same sentence given Trumps propensity to mis-use the phrase , holding all the cards, but I believe the Strait is expected to continue to be strategically important for years despite the planned oil pipelines (because of volume they can handle relative to the Strait), and fertilisers, sulfur, helium and other products.

    https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2026/03/fertilizer-iran-hormuz-food-crisis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Why would Saudi spend billions on a 2500 km pipeline to Israel when 90% of Gulf oil goes to Asia. would be far better off paying an admin fee like Turkey and Denmark charge.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭combat14


    apparently there is strong opposition in israel to the deal across both opposition and coalition members



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,020 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They are still a major player in the region and will continue to be going forward.

    It's Israel which is the one which is under huge pressure and seeing its influence on Middle Eastern countries seriously weakened (which is why the Israeli press and politicians are freaking out and attacking Netanyahu). Already talk that many Gulf countries may choose to pivot towards Iran now and away from Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,816 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Will they also transport all the other stuff going through the Strait ?

    As for the idea that the Saudis and Emirates will relegate the Strait of Hormuz to a 'minor factor': That ignores all historic evidence. It's been tried several times in the past, high costs and instability in the region have always scuppered any real attempts.

    Examples are the the Iraqi Pipeline in Saudi Arabia (IPSA) and the the Trans-Arabian Pipeline (Tapline).

    There's also been plans for years to make a pipeline (by the Saudis) that connects Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar to a port in Oman but that idea has also been seen as potentially unsafe by either Iraqi militias who are anti-Saudi or the US, who see it as a potential way for Iran to circumvent sanctions. Cost-wise it's also been established it may not be cheaper than the current setup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,816 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    The terms of the peace agreement are laughably bad for the US. Full sanctions relief for Iran, full lifting of naval blockade, $300bn to be given to Iran for reconstruction, $24bn in seized assets to be released to Iranian Government, lifting of long established restrictions on Iranian oil industry.

    Then of course there is the big one - acceptance in principle that Iran can have nuclear power for civilian purposes. Oh and the restrictions on the Iranian missile program are missing from the text of the final agreement as is a demand that they cease support for proxy resistance groups.

    The evaporation of US power and prestige happening right before our eyes. All they have essentially got is a return to the status quo before the war - i.e. Hormuz open and Iran ceasing military action against gulf states.

    The terms are so bad I am sceptical that the agreement will hold, you'd wonder if Trump knows what he is signing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It was Iran who attacked the Gulf countries, they are now buying defences against Iran from Ukraine. That is hardly a sign of them pivoting to Iran. More likely that the Gulf countries are now fully on board with regime change in Iran, which is something they were previously lukewarm about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    There will also be larger pipelines to places like Salalah and Duqm in Oman.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    More likely he's just glad to get any deal to get out of it. Id imagine that in hindsight he didn't realise what he was starting when he started the war. I believe he genuinely though Iran would just roll over inside a short time and was totally surprised by their response and the closure of the strait being so steadfast. Someone fed him a load of porkies I reckon.



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