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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Just two comments. Not playing the game would have absolutely no affect on Israel. They would pocket the six points and use it to portray us as violently anti semetic (as they do already).

    Secondly some opposition politicians are a joke - they are upset that their right to protest has been removed. Well they have achieved their primary objective - the game will not be held here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The Primary objective was for the game not to be played at all.

    People are advocating for “Stop the Game” not “Move the Game”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Says he who devised a plan for Ireland to play Celtic instead of Israel.

    You make up plenty. Like earlier when you put an arrow on the FAI statement which funnily enough was very similar to what I said two months ago. You tried to use that to have a go at me but all you did was humiliate yourself.

    If you had any self respect you would apologise.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    A good few of them have been whinging about not being able to protest now its been moved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I’d not discuss an abhorrent comment questioning if Arabs/Muslims were even human either. A purely disgraceful thing to question.

    You were ranting and raving about tweets about Keane and his family a couple of days ago. The official Israel FA send an aggressive message (to the wrong FA) and you couldn’t care less.

    Different standards. I wonder why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Bill Shankly said of Tommy Smith (the anfield iron)

    "Tommy Smith wasn't born, he was quarried"

    Shame the likes of Duncan Ferguson and Vinnie Jones didn't play for Ireland. Roy Keane would give 'em a good game though.

    The aggression in that tweet is symptomatic of many Israeli organisations though - it's very much embedded in the psyche.

    Hopefully the BIG will hammer them "home" and "away".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,101 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    balanced my arse!! Pandering to the Palestinians every second sentence, and whingeing and moaning pretending they don’t want to fulfill this fixture. Play the game and give it a bloody rest pretending we give a fiddlers about Gaza!! FFS, 6 months into a ceasefire and Ireland are still obsessing about this conflict and about playing a silly soccer match against Israel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    "Playing a silly soccer match against a World Pariah and Genocidal Nation"

    I'd imagine, anyone not au fait with football asking "why is that game being played in Hungary?" replying "oh yeh, that makes sense", when told that "it's Israel who are currently committing Genocide and whose football fans trashed Amsterdam and chanted "gas the Arabs""

    That the game has been moved, that the FAI issued a detailed respectful statement and the Israeli FA issued an aggressive statement will copper fasten people's view of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    In fairness you must admit it was a daft proposal - and showed you're not a soccer supporter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Just in case you missed the couple of requests - care to answer the relevance of your assertion?

    "There are a few who very obviously arent Irish either."

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Israel FA Twitter posted a dumb tweet. Big deal. Too many snowflakes in the world these days.

    There was actual death threats made against Robbie Keanes family, targetting his son in particular, from people in Ireland. All this on the back of politicians who used their platform to have a go at him.

    Then we had the Celtic nonsense. The same Celtic fans who cheered former IDF soldiers representing their club who didnt want Robbie Keane because he managed a club in Israel for a year. Total fcuking hypocrisy from the Plastic Paddy's.

    To top it off, we have "tell me how" banging the drum about Ireland playing Celtic instead of Israel. The same Celtic who have no problem signing ex IDF soldiers. Again, total hypocrisy.

    The "solution" to not playing Israel was to play a club who have no problem signing these lads. Yet there is pages of posts about Israeli footballers serving in the IDF so we shouldnt play Israel.

    We have had Holly Cairns banging the drum about how the Ireland v Israel game shouldn't be played, conveniently ignoring the TD in her own party who made 200k from shares in Palantir only 2 years ago. Palantir who provide AI services and tech to the Israel military which is used to identify targets in Gaza.

    Im Never going to feel sorry for people who do this. Or a society that ostracised men in particular for being gay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're throwing around the "hypocrisy" word like confetti.

    "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

    And recall my post about the Ultra-Othodox Jews who "ostracise" women. And if you think Israelis don't ostracise gay men, think again.

    "Orthodox Jews adhere strictly to traditional biblical law which prohibits homosexual acts, often leading to social or community marginalisation of those who are homosexuals"

    Death threats to anyone are condemnable - no question.

    The discourse about Israeli footballers serving in IDF combat units was by way of explaining why many wanted the Ireland v Israel games boycotted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    Check out the Celtic suggesters - no way this would come from anyone with even a passing knowledge of sport in Ireland. I'd imagine its someone asking a bad A.I. programme for suggestions/info.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Nope, you're not answering the question.

    You clearly stated "obviously aren't Irish" - calling out their nationality.

    What is the relevance of someone's nationality to this thread - and in particularly, anyone who isn't an Irish Citizen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not at all.

    The premise of the question was, what could be done to overcome the game day revenue from the loss of two games.

    And the relationship between Ireland and Celtic needs no explanation, neither does their view on the Palestinian conflict and international teams playing friendlies with clubs has happened a number of times, even recently.

    So, it was never likely, but it most definitely wasn't daft.

    And all that aside, it was suggested for no other reason than to get one poster off the fence because they refused to acknowledge that money from losing 2 games wasn't a critical factor in the viability of the FAI.

    (They did move on from that point of course, we saw that, particularly when defending Robbie and his getting a 1/2 million for zilch)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Ah Paddy, you’re sounding like a snowflake with your faux outrage.

    You don’t care about Israel/Palestine anyway, remember?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,738 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    While I am a strong critic of Israel, I would also say that Judaism is not as hung up about personal lives as Christianity. Its true that Orthodox Judaism is more conservative. Judaism in the US is mostly not Orthodox, unlike in Canada and the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The discourse about Israeli footballers serving in IDF combat units was by way of explaining why many wanted the Ireland v Israel games boycotted

    So the" solution" from one poster here was to play two friendlies with a club quite partial to an IDF Soldier. Thats one hell of a moral stance. Not.

    And the narrative around robbie Keane was total hypocrisy. Surely if the celtic fans were being consistent then they would cheer for Robbie Keane the same way they cheered for the ex IDF soldiers?

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    And recall my post about the Ultra-Othodox Jews who "ostracise" women. And if you think Israelis don't ostracise gay men, think again.

    "Orthodox Jews adhere strictly to traditional biblical law which prohibits homosexual acts, often leading to social or community marginalisation of those who are homosexuals"

    Hence I dont support Israel or Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hence I don't support Israel or Palestine.

    You're cutting Israel an awful lot of slack for someone who doesn't support them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    Its a thread about International soccer!!! LOL!!! Of course nationality is important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Nope, still not there.

    Explain, why is someone's nationality important to this thread, especially those who are not Irish.

    Is it because you think non-Irish contributors have no right to discuss the issue at hand - which has nothing to do with nationality - just whether Ireland should play Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The idea was 100% complete and utter rubbish. It was totally ripped apart by numerous people on here. It had absolutely nothing remotely based in reality going for it.

    Only the "ethical sporting body" nonsense being spouted here this week was worse. Just.

    The FAI literally announced today that the future viability of the FAI was a major consideration In the decision to fulfil the fixtures. They even asked for consideration to be given to players and staff.

    The first paragraph below is ome of the significant items at stake if they forego significant TV money. Safeguarding programmes are essential given the volume of kids playing the games across the country

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    There is no relationship between Ireland and celtic. You are conflating the celtic fanbase and the celtic board. The celtic board couldn't give a sh1t about Ireland. They are all about the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    And you arrived at that conclusion Because I support the FAI decision? Thats a leap and a half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    What if those posters are from or supprt Israel or Palestine or support one of the other teams were competing against or will likely face later?

    No.problem with them posting, but if they have a xested interest they should probably say so.

    There's also an unwritten rule in sports forums that you dont troll rival teams threads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Jesus is this real? F*ckin morons.

    Not like Israel to hit the wrong target ; )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    @csirl - I answer all your ridiculous questions. Can you do the same above pls?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    No.problem with them posting, but if they have a xested interest they should probably say so.

    Ahem....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    That's very easy.

    Playing the game will not save any lives. I've been consistent in my view in this regard.

    However, boycotting/stopping the game - especially if there's anger involved only serves to escalate it a little more by creating mote bad feeling. Nothing is ever achieved by adding more anger or hatred.

    The best approach is to advocate for peace and reconcilliation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




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