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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Provided proof, but still you double down and after calling it "false information" originally, you proceed to call them a liar after said proof was supplied.

    You are one bad faith actor, shame on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    "shame on you for promoting their content on this site", surely one of the most arrogant, condescending posts on this thread (in a fairly crowded field)

    Don't "promote" content from someone I don't like but biased sh1t from RTE and the Irish Times, the Mark Malone's of this world etc (the correct type of bias that is) is totally fine

    FFS get over yourself. It's just more of "let's see if I can come up with a reason not to have to acknowledge and process stuff that goes against my blinkered world view"

    Post edited by Fanny Wank on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Schools are full, crèche places full, doctors full, Dublin third most congested city in the world. It's the naive idiots fault blaming immigration isn't it Lister mint?!

    Who are the clueless ones again?

    Source: The Journal https://share.google/VTWVgLGyrUSmz7OxC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,859 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Excellent video from Eddie Hobbs.

    The Cover-Up Is The Story

    A democracy depends on trust, but trust depends on transparency. This monologue challenges Ireland’s political, media and institutional establishment, arguing that citizens are increasingly asked to accept assurances on immigration, crime and public policy without access to the underlying data. It asks a simple but powerful question: if the evidence supports the official narrative, why not publish it and let the public decide for themselves?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Eddie Hobbs

    'nuff said!

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,859 ✭✭✭✭sligeach




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Realistically these other children/parents may simply have applied before your friend did. Schools, GPs and creches all over the country are oversubscribed and often have waiting lists to get in.

    The issue is that the rate of immigration and rate of service providers for an increased population have not kept pace. I suspect that the large influx of Ukranians in the last few years, many of whom were women and children, has exposed a lot of the gaps that were present.

    Our government do not do joined up thinking in most instances IMHO. I wish we had a grown up government that would actually look at issues facing our country and try to fix it long term, rather than the sticking plaster/it'll do approach successive governments have had.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Completely ignore salient points because I am unable to reasonably address them so I will try to piss on the source of these points instead.

    'nuff said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Latest figs published - 257 total

    I thought the Somalis were resourceful when I detailed the journey they make to bypass all other safe countries before, but seriously, the Vietnamese are something else - To push your raft out into the Hay Long Bay (near Hanoi) and and sail to Ireland is a magnificent achievement and should be admired

    Figs 11-06-26.jpg

    This is piss taking on an industrial level

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You could never register for a school the year before going back to the 80s when there was zero immigration. You had to plan well in advance. We couldn't get into local secondary back then as they operated policies of you have to have an elder sister or brother there so anyone else was told to jog on this was Irish and Irish.

    Yes there's are huge levels of naivety here in this post , you're clueless to what it involves to get schools placements and it's been thus for decades . Underfunding, reliance on Catholic church provisions .

    This is all very very stupid stuff to hang your hat on.

    And calling me an Irish person racist of other Irish people. The "Pièce de résistance" . Hilarious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Same attitude as the government, the natives are "naive idiots" to borrow a phrase.

    This attitude from the government, the NGOs, media and left/liberal/progressive types needs to be called out and hard pushback against them needs to happen.

    Enough is enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Stop referring to me as a native. I'm Irish. When did this stupid terminology start being used. What nonsense

    When did we start calling Irish people talking about other Irish peoples naivety racist ? Have we reached new levels of absolute thickness ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Just to clarify, is the argument here that IPAs should only ever end up in the absolute nearest safe country they can get to? If this were the case, would it not just be a relatively small number of countries shouldering the burden and then they would have no issue turning a blind eye to IPAs simply transiting through on their way to somewhere else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭creedp


    Isn’t this the case atm in the EU. Potential IPAs can either claim asylum in the first ‘safe’ EU country they land in or opt to transit through to their ‘preferred safe’ EU State. In Irelands case this can even be a non EU country via the CTA. This decision making process has nothing to do with fleeing for the potential IPAs safety and more to do with maximising the potential economic benefits realisable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Examples of new levels of absolute thickness is calling native Irish people naive idiots as clearly demonstrated by you:

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    Pretty clear from that post who you're sticking the boot into. It's clear disdain and borderline hatred for 'Dubs' who are native Irish people.

    You haven't addressed any of my points raised:

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    Much easier to deflect and distract in an effort to disown your own inbuilt prejudices against Irish people but through the other side of your mouth call everyone else racist, etc…

    Take a hike with those hypocritic double-standards, it's making you look as coming across very badly indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Conspiracy drivel and AI slop. I'll pass, thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Incredulous levels of guff calling Irish people natives. We're Irish.

    It's fairly clear sign of imported verbage.

    I stand by what I said. There's a stupidity in this level set of trying to manipulate conversation. And also referring to me as racist to my fellow Irish people.

    I've no doubt in my mind you're fully aware of how ridiculous you're being. But you'll plough on regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The recent Ukraine mass exodus was primarily to EU nations, and per capita, Ireland shouldered one of the highest amounts into the bargain.

    Are you arguing that Nigeria, Sudan, Vietnam and other such nations should have took in massive numbers of Ukrainian people too?

    Should we be calling out other such nations as racists because they haven't lifted a finger to help the plight of Ukranian people?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You would. You're calling me racist which is insane levels of dissonance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    You've clearly demonstrated your disdain for Irish people by calling them naïve fools, I've saved you the bother of wondering when by screenshotting your tirade to make it easy for you. Not my fault you don't like that being highlighted. Call it what you want, it's what you've said, best just own it and acknowledge the deep seethed prejudices you are holding against Irish people. Also noted, you've nothing to say about the points I made either. I won't be engaging on this any further, it's clear you are trying to distract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Incredulous levels of guff calling Irish people natives. We're Irish.

    I suggest purchasing a dictionary. You could even look the meaning of words up online.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Your being deliberate here. I called specific people on the thread fools and someone who rocks up to school thinking it will be hunky dory anytime and not have capacity issues is silly since the 80s.

    You're calling us natives . You can ditch that crap with me horse.

    I'm an Irish person I won't have you calling me some fabricated imported term of laughable frustration thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Ye are being found out. That's the problem for you.

    No self respecting Irish person calls themselves native .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Juran


    I travel a lot with work, mainly through Dublin airport. When scanners were first implemented pre covid time, my Irish passport and husbands EU passport was always scanned. In the past 2 years, I notice quiet a lot of staff just look at our passports and hand them back. Not every officer, but I would say I get scanned 20% of the time arriving in Dublin. Same as my husband's EU passport, not scanned all the time. Last year I used Shannon twice, my passport was not scanned either time.

    So if a non EU person has a fake EU passport, there is a high probability of them getting passport Dublin passport control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Not at all.

    They 100 percent put extra due diligence on specific flights and passport categories. The notion there's a free for all at Dublin or other airports is just fanciful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    My wife and eldest son are flying into Dublin tonight (both Irish passports) and they always go to the desks with the staff as they do not like the e gates. I will ask them when they are through if the passport was scanned or just looked at. I cannot remember for sure what they did last time I went through but I think they just looked at me and the picture on the passport and gave it back to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well I don't think it's just that to be honest. You have to remember that there are two sides to this - the decisions of individual asylum seekers and the policy of states. The latter has much more say than the former.

    The fact that IPAs can transit through safe countries to other safe countries isn't simply because they want to (for economic or any other benefit), it's also because they are allowed to. And they are allowed to because if (say) Italy didn't allow them to then Italy would be the one dealing entirely alone with the large numbers who seek to enter Europe at that entry point. So there is absolutely no real incentive on Italy's part to do its neighbours in Europe any particular favour, but there is plenty of incentive to see those IPAs head off somewhere else to be someone else's problem. There is likewise no huge incentive for any other EU country to actively assist us with preventing IPAs getting to Ireland, because it's a situation where we would get all the benefit and they would get all the burden.

    You then have the complex issue of Europe being the most unique landmass on the planet in terms of having dozens of small highly developed countries jammed into one relatively small continental peninsula where there are vested socioeconomic interests on the part of almost every citizen in having relatively free-flowing borders between them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




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