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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    Still shooting from a far.

    Does above post make it any clearer for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Lol, backtracking and doubling down at the same time, I'm almost impressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Unsure of the right thread, but Philip Browne, long term CEO of the IRFU, has died.

    Very sad news, he was hugely successful in the role.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Ye, he was the brains and the driving force of IRFU for so long and always kept FAI/Delaney in check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Sad to read this. His tenure oversaw the total transformation of Irish rugby and that is to his enormous credit.

    66 is no age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Very sad news at just 66. I think it's fair to say he is the foremost reason Irish rugby is where it is today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    Huge loss

    An absolute gentleman when I got the chance to meet him a few times

    Pity the likes of Humphreys and his incompetence is now in the IRFU destroying all his good work



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In a world of John Delaneys and Pat Hickeys and officials in other codes who covered up sexual abuse and financial malfeasance and God knows what else, Philip Browne ran a prudent and responsible organisation, still finding its way in the era of professionalism.

    Was everything the Union did under him perfect? No, but it was at least transparent and underscored by fastidious financial sustainability.

    When you look at the FAI and over at the WRU, we can and should be grateful that the Union under Philip Browne got through the financial crash and Covid and yet was still able to maintain 4 professional teams and invest in stadium redevelopments across all four provinces as well as as being completely debt free for its part in the Aviva Stadium build.

    It is perhaps the best tribute to Browne, that unlike the aforementioned scoundrels and many others unnamed, the general public probably have no idea who he was or what he did, because he never made it about himself.

    RIP Philip, and thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    100%

    A few years ago just after covid I was having a conversation with a client. He was bemoaning the state of football in the country and he wasn't a rugby fan at all.

    I asked him if he asked his wife who the former FAI CEO was, would she know. He said she would. I then asked him if she would be able to name the IRFU CEO from the same era and he said she wouldnt have a clue. If your CEO is widely known from the front pages of the tabloids then that is not good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Lowe gone to Tokyo to replace Cheslin Kolbe according to 42



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    I really think this deserves it own thread.

    The leadership shown by Browne, the structures put in place by him and the IRFU from the late 90s onwards really put down strong foundations for Irish rugby, that today we still benefit from.

    I remember watching Ireland been beaten by Samoa and Italy in the mid 90s, if you told me, that 25-30 years later we would be favourites for the RWC 23 I would have laughed you out the door.

    This turnaround, and improvement really was driven by Philip Browne and the IRFU at the time, he/they deserve enormous respect and thanks from the rugby community of today.

    As said when you compare what happened in the IRFU from 1996 on in comparison to the corrupt joke shop of the FAI/John Delaney, Irish rugby was very lucky to have him. Philip Browne RIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Madness from the IRFU, best of luck to him. Would love to know what Farrell thinks of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Pure abject stupidity. His performances over the past two weekends alone show how he's still clearly at a level where he's capable of being a huge contributor for Ireland and Leinster.

    I can't think of one positive change David Humphreys has made since getting his job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I can't think of one positive change David Humphreys has made since getting his job.

    Governance by who shouts the loudest on twitter. Whaaa central contracts, whaaaa Farrell is biased, etc etc etc. We'll feel the consequences down the line.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I don't think that you can just be so one sided on this when we don't know what he was asking for.

    What would you have given Lowe to make him stay? Would a two year, €400k contract be ok? Or would that be a different type of madness from the IRFU?

    I've no idea on what he was looking for, but I'm always wary of situations where one side gets cast as the bad guy, and one side as the good guy, without any details on what was actually happening.

    I am in no doubt that the IRFU would have liked Lowe to stay, but sometimes that's just not possible. Perhaps the IRFU screwed this up, and there was an easy to do deal on the table, but I doubt it, to be honest. I think Lowe is looking for a payday contract, as is his right, and honestly, considering what players go through, he's 100% right to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah, Lowe is a massive loss and he showed again on Saturday that he can do things that very few other wingers can do.

    But he's 34 next month and rapidly decreasing contract value for aging players, even current test players, has always been a feature of IRFU negotiations. This didn't start with Lowe and it didn't start with the new central contract arrangements; I remember Gordon D'Arcy talking about this happening while he was still undisputed first-choice for Leinster and Ireland.

    Whether he stays or goes, this is realistically his last contract so he has to maximise his payday. IRFU have to count the beans. Obviously there was a gap there. It's a shame but it is what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Kolbe was earning over $1 million per year in Japan. I'm sure Lowe will get $750k +.

    It's the right move for him from a financial perspective at the end of his career. and the IRFU are not matching it.

    There's nobody to blame for this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    I agree it looks like a mistake

    However we dont know what he was looking for & if a big final pay day was the aim then irfu can't compete with abroad. How is it being portraited as Humphries fault when we dont know the details.

    I thought he should have started the CC final ...he's a big game player with still something to offer.

    From a Leinster perspective the financial risk on forking out for him is probably too high...his club appearances have been fairly limited & coming into a WC year it would be further restricted therefore they view it as budget money better spent elsewhere...thats business unfortunately.

    Sad to see him go all the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It's widely reported he was previously getting a PONI-top up onto his deal from the IRFU, and they pulled that funding, so any new deal had to come fully from Leinster's budget, at a time when the IRFU decisions around CC changes are further squeezing Leinster's budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    There's no way he's going to make that kind of money - that would have him on similar money to Malcolm Marx, Beauden Barrett & Pieter-Steph du Toit.

    I'm sure he's on very good money, but it is going to be a long way back from the level you're talking about here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭antfin


    By all reports the IRFU wasn't willing to topup Lowe's salary at all for a renewal. It would be madness for Leinster to pay big money for a player who is on international duty for vast amounts of the year, particularly the second year when they would be lucky to get 8 or 9 games out of him in a RWC year. During the last World Cup year in 2023 he played 23 games, of which only 9 games were for Leinster.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    There is a somewhat interesting comparison here, which is how the IRFU treated Cian Healy (or Connor Murray, etc) at the end of his career.

    Plenty on here said that they weren't at their best, that the victory lap that they gave them was embarrassing and unnecessary, and that we should have moved them on earlier so that the next crowd should have more opportunities. The IRFU should have been more ruthless, in other words.

    I guess this is the IRFU being more ruthless. So do people like this? I'm unsure myself, but again, I can see the reasoning behind this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Think there's a fairly heady mix of sentimentiality, concern at the quality of rugby Leinster are currently playing and a lovely convenient scapegoat (the comically evil, moustache-twiddling pantomime villian that is David Humpreys).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    The IRFU have pretty much been pretty ruthless with players coming onto their last contract or so for a long time.

    They leverage the fact that guys in their mid thirties likely are very well settled, possibly have kids in school etc, and won't necessarily want to go uprooting themselves at that point in their lives. That's probably less of a factor for someone like James Lowe who already doesn't have family living near him here etc.

    Equally, I suspect, they've figured his desire to play in the RWC was worth a discount on the offer, and he's pushed back on that.

    There is something in the fact though that quite a few players now (Conor Murray, Peter O'Mahony, James Lowe) all seemed to finish up on very bad terms with the IRFU, after giving many years of great service. It is surely something that resonates with the wider squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    What a laugh. Many of the same people shouting on social media that it’s a travesty are the very ones that were moaning about so much funding going into aging talent well past their best and only selected on the fumes of their former glory and an inability by coaches to move on to give fresh talent a better chance. Can’t have it both ways and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Lowe going to Japan is a smart move for him and his family, and it creates space for our next star which can only be helpful in the medium term



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Yeah I made a point similar to this when the news first broke. This seems indicative of a new forward looking IRFU negotiation strategy - an attempt to ensure that unlike the likes of Murray, Henderson, Earls, Furlong, etc, players aren't on big money deals long after their prime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    The 42 reports seem to indicate that the top up was still there - just not nearly as high as previous deals.



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