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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,944 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I hope he starts a couple of the games at 6, his form has been class and I think we could see him push on from here and estasbish himself as a real option.

    I think it's going to be an interesting summer selection-wise given some of the injuries etc. and off the back of a 6 Nations where we had some more newer faces getting opportunities. Certainly more so than previous seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Leinster has a population of close to three million, Connacht has close to 600k.

    So basically Connacht should have one player for every five from Leinster. We've had Bealham, Murray, Prendergast, Aki and Hansen playing for Ireland. Have Leinster had 25 different players in Ireland squads in recent times?

    I'm not including players like Gavin and Bohan who've been part of larger squads, just those who've actually played.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    By my count, it's 23 - so essentially a full match-day squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Off the top of my head I would say yes they have.

    In the last 2 years alone they’ve had 9 front rows, 2 second rows, 4 back rows,
    4 half backs, 3 centres (I’m counting Osbourne as a centre) and 4 outside backs. That’s 26 I could name and I’ve surely left a few out as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭50HX


    What provencial coach wouldnt want a raft front line players of international quality?

    Thats the flip side of looking at it.

    I dont see how its waffle to state that leinster have a team of internationals when factually thats correct.

    If it were a case that said internationals weren't performing at test level then fair enough there is a case to be made but they have performed & been successful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭DBK1


    But they’re a team of internationals that hardly ever play for Leinster due to their international commitments, return to play protocols etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,944 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    … which hasn't appeared to impact Leinster getting to the knock-out stages of those tournaments when said international players come back into the team.

    Look, I agree with you that there needs to be a better balance of representation in the Ireland team, for many reasons. (Imo, the introduction of the 40% will help this in the long-term).

    But arguing "the other provinces don't know how lucky they have it by….. not having all these international calibre players" just comes across more than a little tone deaf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭50HX


    Thats broadly not true.

    They are available on the most part for all of the pool stages& knockouts of CC & URC.

    Granted the return to play protocols will restrict their league games to a certain degree.

    Thats understandable & reflective of the priority the CC takes.

    I think its only now we are beginning to see the impact the Lions tour is having ( wouldnt change the UBB result imo) & as another poster stated it will show even more on the summer tests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You said all province's need to contribute more. Connacht are contributing at the same level as Leinster given the population of both provinces.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,298 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    do you think provinces should be contributing on a pro rata basis compared to their annual bugets?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The obvious problem here is that of the five Connacht players you named, only one is actually from Connacht. The pool of granny-rule players (Bealham, Hansen) is always limited, project players (Aki) are going to be a serious rarity in the future and the over-supply of Leinster schools' players (Prendergast) won't last forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I made no reference to population, that was yourself.

    If you do want to relate it to population then be realistic about the numbers too. The majority of foreign born or non Irish citizens in the country live in Leinster. The chances of any of them having ambitions of playing rugby for Leinster is as good as zero so eliminate them from your numbers. There are also far more Connacht, Munster and Ulster people who moved to Dublin and the surrounding for work etc. than there is vice versa so that’ll skew your figures too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It's amazing how you bring them up but don't mention JGP and Lowe

    The Leinster schools have nothing to do with Leinster rugby. If we get a player from there it's normally because he isn't wanted by Leinster. We are developing players not deemed good enough for Leinster and turning them into Ireland internationals. We deserve credit for that.

    And don't forget the Ireland captain is a Mayo man.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    There's only two weeks between the URC final (and the Super Rugby final) and the Australia gzme, one week between the Top14 final and their game in NZ. What's irritating or placatory about that ?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,298 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The Leinster schools have nothing to do with Leinster rugby.

    you might want to revisit that statement.

    while its clearly incorrect, you might want to set the parameter's as to what you are referring to, because its very easy write a diatribe as what impact / effect / input Leinster Rugby has in schools rugby in the province.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It's amazing how you bring them up but don't mention JGP and Lowe

    Not sure that helps you - JGP and Lowe prove my point, not yours. They are the outliers, along with Henshaw, as three non-Leinster-developed players in the Ireland set-up.

    Set that against Porter, P McCarthy, Boyle, G McCarthy, Sheehan, Kelleher, Furlong, Clarkson, J McCarthy, Ryan, Baird, Van der Flier, Conan, Doris, Prendergast, Frawley, Osborne, Ringrose, T O'Brien, Keenan, J O'Brien and I'm not sure where you're going with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Fergus Slattery has passed away.

    One of the greats.

    Post edited by ionadnapóca on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It has zero impact on Leinster, Leinster get to the knockout games where the national enforced rest periods don't exist.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ah I thought it was 3 weeks. Didn't realise there is a weeks gap before the final. Though that is itself new so possibly related to the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Nice tributes to Slattery. Sad day for Irish rugby.

    It was not uncommon for him to feature in club games the day after playing for Ireland. He continued playing for ‘Rock’s junior sides into the late 80s, long after his international career was over, and won a Fox Cup/7th Division medal, in a side featuring 19-year-olds. Even after that, he was a regular participant in weekly tag rugby in Stradbrook.

    As a teammate and friend said on Thursday, Slats had time for everybody, whether they played for the firsts or the thirds. He was one of the last from an era when the gods of the game togged out with the mere mortals and shared a beer afterwards. And he was one of the game’s gods.

    While a successful businessman in his own right, Slattery’s passionate belief in the values and spirit of amateur rugby would only have intensified after he retired, and he famously insisted that payment when working for BBC Radio would be made directly to Blackrock College RFC.


    Though he never wanted a position or title within the club, few if any have done more for it. He committed himself to countless club fundraisers and charities, and his utter and entertaining command of auctioneering at lunches and gala dinners were exceptional. He was also loyal and renowned for his kindness, always willing to do favours or help people.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2026/06/04/fergus-slattery-a-colossus-of-irish-and-world-rugby-who-never-forgot-where-it-all-began/

    Untitled Image

    Keane, Duggan, O'Driscoll & Slattery.

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2010/10/05/moss-keane-rip

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2017/08/28/willie-duggan-rip-1950-2017

    IRFU President John O’Driscoll says,

    “Fergus Slattery was a giant of Irish rugby and a player who defined excellence in his era. His leadership, skill and unwavering commitment to the jersey set standards that continue to inspire generations of players. Off the field, he carried himself with humility and integrity, embodying the very best values of our game. On behalf of the IRFU, I extend our deepest sympathies to Fergus’s beloved wife Margo, his daughter Nikki, son Cameron and all his family, friends and former teammates at Blackrock College RFC, Leinster, Ireland, British & Irish Lions and the Barbarians. He was a true friend whom I will miss greatly."

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/news/irfu-statement-passing-fergus-slattery



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,004 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'm a bit more sympathetic to leinster on having their Ireland players available. They have the first team for the CC pool games, but that's generally the first time they play together all season. Then they get flack for lack of cohesion and playing poorly together.

    Having so many of the best players in the country is genuinely a blessing and a curse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    They should be contributing on the basis of the ability of the players they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Personally I'd like to see a breakdown cost benefit analysis of the player management system. Looking at stats the likes of JGP and Doris don't play a lot less than Jalibert and Dupont, but it probably nets out a 4 or 5 games a year. A bigger issue might be the time they spend outside training with their respective clubs which is more difficult to figure out. Anyway, Leinster seem to suffer from many of their front line players not training together for large parts of the season, something that showed up in some of the tries they conceded to Bordeaux. Some of it was just too easy with basic system/individual errors that might be explained by a lack of time training.

    Another issue thats become clear in the whole "Leo and Jacques versus ROC at the press conference" episode is that the chain of command is utterly unclear at Leinster. Nienbar is responsible for parceling out time slots to other coaches to work on their respective areas, but other than defence he is not repsonsible for the overall gameplan and strategy that guides how the respective areas fit together on the field, indicating without saying it that that's Leo's job. But Leo didn't seem to take responsibility for that. Quite amazing that they have a 2xwc winner who has such a limited authority over how he team operates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Fergus Slattery was a true great of Irish rugby. Ultra consistent, I don't remember him ever having a bad game. A friend told me he was suffering with dementia the last few years. 77 is a young age to pass away at these days. RIP Fergus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,471 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    IRFU tweeting some sort of announcement today? A picture with a silhouette of Andy Farrell in the background. Sounds like a contract extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,471 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I'm too young to have seen him play, but his name is synonymous with Irish rugby from the 70s. He was clearly a legend of Ireland and the Lions and one of the absolute greats of Irish rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,090 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Another 4 years for Andy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,367 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Delighted that Farrell has signed on until 2031. World class coach that has demonstrated before that he can usher through new talent to rebuild a team.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,298 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    yes!

    another 4 years of Andy telling the provinces how to pick their team and how to set out their defense !!!!

    😉



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think there could be justifiable concern that it is simply too long in the top job (seems to happen eventually to everyone) but hard to quibble with the overall level of results so happy days.



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