Is Irelands neutrality stance in WW2 unfairly criticized? (see Mod note 217)

Wrong. You just believe Irish propaganda re same. If you look in to the facts, you will see

On 21 February 1944, David Gray, with the full backing of US President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, formally delivered what became known as the "American Note" to the Irish government.

Gray incidentally was U.S. minister (in effect, ambassador) to Ireland for over 7 years from 1940 until long after the war was won, in 1947. He would not have lasted so long if he was not trusted. He was not like Kennedy, the US ambassador to Britain, who resigned in disgrace after a much shorter period.

Not all German diplomats during the war were Nazi party members. What is the relevance of anyone being Nazi Party members? Do wake up as to what happened during the war.

Would the Irish people who were segregated from British people and who the Nazis sent to slave labour Concentration camps, have been sent to the camps if they were German Nazi party members - like Hempel - instead of captured neutral people from Ireland?

He told FDR that the Japanese wouldn't attack a few days before Pearl Harbour because he had been told in a seance by the ghost of a dead president.

This is the danger of nepotistic political appointments rather than professional diplomats. He was not informed of Allied intelligence operations and probably wasn't aware what was happening in Ireland. The OSS was. Hempel was considered a professional.

The US had problems with politicians disclosing intelligence in WW2. I think that Sumner Welles disclosed an intercept from the Japanese minister in Berlin to a Soviet ambassador about Hitler getting ready to invade the USSR. The Soviet ambassador then confronted the German ambassador in Washington over it. Luckily the Japanese investigation did not consider that their main diplomatic encryption system had been compromised and thought it was a report sent by a less secure system. Ironically, FDR had Henry Stimson (the idiot who closed down the American Black Chamber operation (a codebreaking operation) in 1929 claiming that gentlemen don't read each other's mail.) as part of his government. The US was very lucky that it wasn't completely defenceless on cryptography and it was already cooperating with Bletchley Park prior to Pearl Harbour. Without US help, BP would have had serious problems scaling the decryption of Enigma traffic. The US supplied the industrial might to build more decryption devices.

Given the security of German encryption systems, it is possible that the Allies were intercepting and reading communications from the German legation to Berlin. The OSS agent in the German Foreign Ministry was able to confirm, the Germans were taking a lot of disinformation seriously. Briefing Gray about such things would have compromised a lot of intelligence operations including some that were of vital importance to the Allied war effort.

It is unlikely that Gray would have been briefed on OSS, G2 and MI5 operations because he would have been a security risk and without the necessary background to understand what was happening. In other words, a bit like you and your various debunked claims on this thread.

Rubbish. First of all you say it was him ( David Gray, the ambassador / minister ) who wanted the the German legation closed in Ireland. If you look in to "the American Note", you will see he had " the full backing of US President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, " , and it was formally delivered to the Irish government. I suppose you will say Roosevelt and Churchill and all their departments relied in seances too.

A lot of Allied lives were being lost in the Atlantic and it was not a matter to be left to be decided on by seances. As noted already, Gray was U.S. minister (in effect, ambassador) to Ireland for over 7 years from 1940 until long after the war was won, in 1947. He would not have lasted so long if he was not trusted. He was not like Kennedy, the US ambassador to Britain, who resigned in disgrace after a much shorter period. The Americans were not slow in removing ambassadors not up to the job.

Putting things in bold font does not cover up the reality that you have a simplistic knowledge of Irish neutrality and WW2 that seems to be derived from Google searches to support your anti-Irish neutrality and anti-de Valera crusade.

There was an intelligence war happening in WW2 and people like you are completely unaware of what happened. Some things, such having that telegram boy Gray deliver that note, are done for the benefit of the public to give the impression that something is being done. They may also be done for political purposes. In a war like WW2, intelligence operations had priority because they effectively shortened the war. You waffled on about the Battle Of The Atlantic without ever realising the part that Enigma played in that battle and why the rate of Allied shipping losses varied.

Ypu seem to have added Joe Kennedy's name in an attempt to troll people in what seems to be a characteristic anti-Irish neutrality effort in your posts. Kennedy was quite an Anglophile. He was not an nepotistic appointment like Gray. In real terms, Gray was a non-entity whereas Kennedy's appointment was highly political. Didn't you claim that you had met tens of thousands of Unionists earlier in the thread?

Our last two Presidents were close enough to being atheist and were or are strongly in favour of neutrality.

I think pinning it to the dominant religion or conservatism is a wrong read tbh.

’National doctrine’ is totally overwrought analysis. Seems designed to enable some condescending preaching.

Could be worse. He might een be a "Political Scientist". :) Seriously though, there are many different sub-fields in History and Politics is one of them.

Even if someone has a degree in history, that can be quite a broad base of knowledge, they may not actually know that much about WW2 and even if they do, they may be quite biased.

I personally am so glad I spoke to some of those who were actually there ( battle of the Atlantic and elsewhere ), rather than relying just on "historians". The men I knew, who have passed on now unfortunately, learnt very quickly not to say too much to almost everyone when they came home.

Already answered for you. Nazi party members who were diplomats were wanted at the end of the war by the Allies.

Our government allowed Hempel stay here, in relative luxury near Dun Laoghaire, while refusing Jewish refugees.

How many times do you need to be told? Only one prime minister—Éamon de Valera of neutral Ireland—officially expressed condolences upon Adolf Hitler's death at the end of World War 2.

And the whole world - having seen ( unlike people in Ireland who were kept ignorant not unlike people in North Korea are now) the horrors of Hitler's Concentration camps, was disgusted and outraged.