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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,514 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I think Konate is actually quite underrated by a portion of our fans. In an exposed team he can make mistakes, but when he's on it he's as good as anyone out there and much better than most. Gutted to be losing him tbh, and I don't think whoever comes in will be up to his level. I think maybe we've been spoiled by Virg's years of imperious play, when actually most CBs do have a mistake in them every now and again. Over his four years with us, all in all, Konate has been excellent imo, and I'd much rather have kept him for another 4.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    The only fear I have with AI is how he handles the big personalities/ ego's in the dressing room, this will be the biggest challenge for him, he'll adapt to the 3 games a week and European football no bother.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Salah seems to be getting an easy time of it for his general attitude this season. His statements have basically got slot sacked, in addition to his poor attitude on the field.Total me me me stuff. Imagine the reaction if fernandes at United acted like this.

    As great as player salah is ,he doesn't seem a very likeable individual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Ibra at RCB and Trent at RB for Real next year ... Can we flog them Kostas as well ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    I reckon you couldn't meet a nicer individual,seems very family orientated,the man is driven to succeed. Look at his professionalism since he joined the club,hardly ever injured due to his addiction to fitness.

    Maybe he did overstep the line this season with his outbursts,but history will be kind to him after everything he has done for this club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,337 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    There's been some studies into Islamophobia and how Salah has been directly responsible for a significant reduction in Islamophobia in the Merseyside region and a halving of anti-Muslim tweets, which has also had an effect elsewhere

    That's the important thing really, clearly very likable but also making a difference in the community

    His performances this season are easy to excuse, he won us the league the season before, broke countless records and he was far from the only underperformer this season.

    Have no interest in comparing him to inferior players at other clubs, good for Bruno I guess but who cares really?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Slot got himself sacked. Salah is a club legend, he has left the club now, so not much anyone can do about it now anyway. Time to move on and look forward to a new era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Salah is a greedy,self-centered ba6tard,no doubt about that - he's had to be to get to the top of the game. His spats with Sadio originated by 2 similar characters,smooth on the outside but spiky on the inside,and driven to success. The difference was that Klopp was a big enough personality to manage the strops...it was clear long before Mo spoke out that something was irking him but it wasn't managed until it blew up completely. Mo bears some responsibility,but the public outbursts were very out of character and the whole thing should have been managed no in-house, and that's not all on Mo.

    Either way,they're both gone from the club now, let's move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    So what formation do people reckon Iraola will go with to fit Wirtz into the team. I wouldn’t mind seeing the 442 diamond we played when Coutinho was here with Bobby, Salah and Mane.
    Go with Wirtz, Isak, Diomande and Rayan just need a serious DM for that to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    I'm not saying hes not a good person. Unreal player and good family man. I just think the way hes behaved this season he's let himself and the club down .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Meh, Phil Babb looked world class in a green shirt when he played next to Paul McGrath.
    So good that a near record fee for a defender was spunked out for him
    Didn't look so great when he was next to Neil Ruddock or Mark Wright though.

    VDV over the course of his Liverpool career has been so good that Djimi Traore would look world class next to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I'd expect Iraola will continue with 4-2-3-1.

    Wirtz will probably find himself on the left of the front 3 in my opinion. He plays there for Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Couple of home friendlies announced before the season starts, Monaco and Como...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    David Ornstein reporting that Iraola will sign a two contract..


    Not much faith there either from him or the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    We are not Chelsea,How long would you like his contract to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,514 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    That's how his deals with Bournemouth were too… some people just like to work that way. Bielsa always works with a rolling 1 year contract for instance. Probably get to command top dollar for those years, in exchange for neither party feeling trapped.

    Wouldn't necessarily equate it to a lack of faith.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭brevity


    ilya zabarnyi linked. Not happy at PSG according to rumours.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,517 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    2 years is a good number. Year 1 is essentially a long job interview.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,553 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Quansah is always there with the buy back option. Better off where he is at the moment though, not the answer just yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,766 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    If you were going with a 4-2-3-1 you could have something like

    Ali

    Frimpong, Jaquet, VVD, Kerkez

    Grav, Jones

    Szobozlai, Wirtz, Rio

    Isak

    Obviously a few new players in would change that a bit with a new RB, DM, RW and LW.

    Didn't Szobozlai play as one of two 10s at Leipzig? Could actually do very well in the RM/RW position under Iraola as he'd be in a good position to trigger a press.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,553 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Side needs come local blood in it, is there any Liverpool players coming through .

    Homegrown rules need meeting, a 25 man squad needs 8, what will we do, fill it with kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,553 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Kieran Morrison next Salah, Salah has guided him a lot apparently.Can see it in the his play, almost an impressionist

    19, 20 before end of year, if you're not doing it now, when.. never usually. Would like to see come new players coming into team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,337 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Homegrown rules don't need meeting, there's no minimum you can name 0

    Most clubs don't have 25 players named

    Kids u21 don't need registering in the PL. In Europe they do initially if you buy them in and you're right there's 4 spots specifically for club trained players but we have been buying young players lately that will eventually take up those spots

    We've regularly named random players with no chance of playing (Tom Hill for example) just because we have the space



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,359 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Possibly some context re the 2 year contract

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,253 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Of course no team plays "3 games a week" for an entire season, that was a straw man argument. The domestic season began August 15 and finished May 24, 282 days, just over 40 weeks. 40 times 3 is 120 and no team has ever played 120 games a season.

    Arsenal reached the Champions League Final and played 63 games over the course of the season; Man City reached the two domestic cup finals and played 60; Liverpool and Chelsea both played 59; Aston Villa played 56.

    In good faith, I demonstrated that last season Liverpool played 6 games in a 17 day period. You chose to dismiss that. Whether you think it's significant or not, it doesn't change the fact that we played 10% of our season's games in that period.

    We're hiring a manager who hasn't had to deal with such game scheduling previously. Bournemouth played 40 games which is the minimum possible for a Premier League team and had an 8 match slump in the middle of it. The previous season they advanced further in the cup and suffered an 11 match slump during their 43 games.

    Klopp had to dial back his heavy metal football to avoid burning out the team before the business end of the season. On the evidence of his time in the Premier League, Iraola will need to do the same unless there's an influx of quality players to provide rotation options.

    The fans are also going to have to be patient and temper their expectations, missing out on Champions League qualification is a strong possibility if there is a significant mid season slump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    I think there'll be huge changes at Liverpool over the next few transfer windows, and it raises questions about what their long-term plan was with last summer's recruitment.

    Iraola's game is massively intensive, with his front four doing almost non-stop running. If you listen to any of his former players, they'll tell you that one of his main demands is to run yourself into the ground for 60 minutes and then assess things from there. The intensity and work rate are non-negotiable.

    That's why I'm struggling to see how some of the names there fit perfectly with that approach. I don't think Liverpool's plan was to spend £250 million or so on Wirtz and Isak only for them to spend large periods of games functioning primarily as workhorses. Wirtz is still young enough that you could see him developing aspects of his game to suit the role, but does anyone really think Isak is going to consistently put in the sort of off-the-ball work Evanilson does week in, week out?

    It's not even a criticism of Isak. Part of what makes him such a special player is that you want him arriving in dangerous areas fresh and ready to make the difference. Asking him to repeatedly lead an ultra-aggressive press and cover huge distances every game could end up diminishing some of the qualities you're paying a premium for in the first place.

    There's also the durability question. Isak has had injury issues throughout his career, so you'd have to wonder whether this kind of workload is sustainable over a full season, especially with the added demands of European football and international tournaments.

    Maybe Liverpool see a way of evolving the system around elite attacking talent rather than asking those players to completely adapt to the system. If not, it does make you wonder whether they're hoping Isak has a huge World Cup and that, if things don't quite fit, they could eventually recoup a significant portion of their outlay. It's an interesting balancing act between buying the best players available and buying players who are tailor-made for the manager's demands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,253 ✭✭✭Talisman


    In that line up Szoboszlai would be more likely to take the place of Jones. Iraola doesn't like his midfielders to dwell on the ball which is an issue with Jones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    I think there'll be huge changes at Liverpool over the next few transfer windows, and it raises questions about what their long-term plan was with last summer's recruitment.

    Iraola's game is massively intensive, with his front four doing almost non-stop running. If you listen to any of his former players, they'll tell you that one of his main demands is to run yourself into the ground for 60 minutes and then assess things from there. The intensity and work rate are non-negotiable.

    That's why I'm struggling to see how some of the names being linked fit perfectly with that approach. I don't think Liverpool's plan was to spend £250 million or so on Wirtz and Isak only for them to spend large periods of games functioning primarily as workhorses. Wirtz is still young enough that you could see him developing aspects of his game to suit the role, but does anyone really think Isak is going to consistently put in the sort of off-the-ball work Evanilson does week in, week out?

    It's not even a criticism of Isak. Part of what makes him such a special player is that you want him arriving in dangerous areas fresh and ready to make the difference. Asking him to repeatedly lead an ultra-aggressive press and cover huge distances every game could end up diminishing some of the qualities you're paying a premium for in the first place.

    There's also the durability question. Isak has had injury issues throughout his career, so you'd have to wonder whether this kind of workload is sustainable over a full season, especially with the added demands of European football and international tournaments.

    Maybe Liverpool see a way of evolving the system around elite attacking talent rather than asking those players to completely adapt to the system. If not, it does make you wonder whether they're hoping Isak has a huge World Cup and that, if things don't quite fit, they could eventually recoup a significant portion of their outlay. It's an interesting balancing act between buying the best players available and buying players who are tailor-made for the manager's demands.



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