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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're right - this is a thread about football - so why are you bringing in Ebola and Korea? And I've no idea why your bringing up social welfare payments? What is that about? You seem to be all over the place.

    But my post makes perfect sense - you just don't like that I'm calling out hypocricy.

    You bought up the fact that Irish kids enjoy footy and they would "suffer" somehow. Palestinian kids who enjoy football have actually suffered (by being killed). Members of the IDF play for the Israeli National Team. The IDF killed those Palestinian kids. Simple. Its not difficult to join the dots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Do you think Ireland refuse to play Israel the sniping automatically stop?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The only thing that's ridiculous is your response - you might just quote the bit of my post where i asked for Irish kids to pay a penalty.

    Perhaps if you take a breath, relax a bit and then read my post again, you'll see I said no such thing. Perhaps its just that you wished I had?

    For all the use of "virtue signalling from ivory towers" for those against Ireland playing Israel, seems there's a lot of it going on amongst those in the alternate camp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Athletes dont serve combat roles, but I assume you know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Again, lets punch down on non-profit sports organisations because they are easy targets.

    In the end of the day, neither the FAI nor the Israeli FA has any role in what's happening in Gaza. If you dont like the Israeli govetnment, protest against them.............but you cant be bothered doing something yourself - would prefer to target sports organisations.

    On SW payments - you are hypocritical if you accept a SW payment from the Irish government as they are supporting hosting the fixture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,744 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Oh resorting to insults and condescension now;) Good man. It's striking that you don't mind off topic posts in support of Israel. Of course It's not fantasy or imagination to conclude that the reason why you are reluctant to answer the questions put to you is because you are an Israeli apologist. I notice you refuse to answer certain questions put to you about Israel in other threads too.

    I don't expect you to have the backbone or decency to admit why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    What on earth are you on about social welfare payments for? And why are you suggesting I might take one?

    Are you just deflecting from my original point about kids playing football (that you brought up) and your ambivalence toward Palestinian kids being sniped playing football? Is it that it made you feel uncomfortable so you wave it away and go down a bizarre rabbit hole concerning social welfare?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Unsurprisingly, it seems you've not done your research.


    "We are tremendously proud not only of our homegrown lacrosse players who have earned Exceptional Athlete Status from the Israel Defense Forces, but also the “Lone Soldiers” who selflessly came to Israel solely to contribute to the development of lacrosse, and have chosen to make extended commitments to the defense of our country and our people."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Two questions you dont seem to be able to answet:

    1. What has the FAI or the Israeli FA got to do with Gaza?

    2. Why wont you protest yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I just don't get the fascination with the accusations of "fantasy". It's frankly weird and a tad disturbing.

    The refusal to answer questions (usually by those supporting Israel) is either rudeness or they have is no answer. Or both.

    Then there's the deflection and bizarre rabbit holes plus off-topic whataboutery.

    Is it that a cogent discussion cannot be had simply because there is no justification for the behaviour of Israel? So laptop's/phones, social welfare and accusations of "fantasy" are a that's left of the rapidly thinning bundle of straws?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Why do think that I don't protest? Strange question when you don't know me from Adam.

    I've already posted how Israeli football and Gaza (via the IDF) are linked. Perhaps you missed them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Unsurprisingly you provide a nonsense link. What are you on about? That link literally refers to the Exceptional Athlete status. Most of that nonsense article is just whining about Israeli's supporting the IDF they were in. I get why you like it but its shìte.

    Yossi Benayoun was a part time fitness instructor and Deni Avdija completed his in America. Athletes dont serve combat roles and often get their service done around their sport training as a priority. Their duty is commuted to representing Israel internationally rather than combat roles in the IDF.

    But you wont dare admit that and want to try and portray the Israeli team as bloodthirsty for your own satisfaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Unsurprising response.

    You must have missed the bit about Israeli athletes being in the IDF - which you denied was the case. Backpedaling won't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Unsurprising issues I see. I said athletes dont serve combat roles. See I'll quote it for you to show I'm not backpedalling I'm just showing you what was actually said vs. what you want to have been said.

    can you please show me where in that post it says they dont serve in the IDF instead?

    I think fantasy has clouded your judgement again as you try to force words into others mouths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A cursory Google search reveals the following:

    Notable Israeli footballers who have completed their mandatory IDF service include:

    • Daniel Peretz: Bayern Munich goalkeeper who finished his compulsory service in Israel.
    • Liel Abada: Charlotte FC forward who served in the IDF while playing for Maccabi Petah Tikva.
    • Manor Solomon: Attacking midfielder/winger who was enlisted in the IDF.
    • Oscar Gloukh: Midfielder who fulfilled his military obligations alongside his early professional career.
    • Dor Peretz: National team midfielder who completed his compulsory service in Israel.

    recall - Israel instructed the IDF soldiers heading off on their hollybops abroad to delete their disgusting tik tok videos of atrocities in Gaza - so they wouldn't get caught and arrested for War Crimes. Not because Israel was disgusted with the videos of course…

    As stated, Israeli footballers have served and do serve in the IDF.

    Join the dots. Ban Israel from international sports (including lacrosse).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No backpedaling now show me where this

    Is me saying the don't serve in the IDF. Cmon now I'd like to see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Dissapointing but unsurprising not the first time fantasy hasn't met reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    There's that weird "fantasy" comment again that you seem to lean on. What on earth do you mean?

    Sure - read the posts - footballers and other athletes serve in the IDF.

    If you have a link detailing that no Israeli athletes serve in "combat" roles, please do share it.

    But before you do, have a look at this:

    • Shahar Zubari: The Olympic windsurfer served in a combat unit within the IDF Navy.
    • Neta Rivkin: The Olympic rhythmic gymnast served as a commander in the IDF Home Front Command.
    • Itay Shanny: The Olympic archer, who competed at the Tokyo and Paris games, served in the IDF as a combat soldier.
    • Omer Shriki: The Maccabi Haifa footballer put his athletic career on hold to serve as an infantry combatant. 


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Theres that weird ignoring the question that you lean on.

    Can you show me where my post said athletes dont serve in the IDF please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,212 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is Ireland Vs Israel going ahead in the Aviva? I thought it was being moved or is that just the Israeli home fixture moved to Europe?

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You posted that they don't serve in combat units - multiple times. I just noticed that you edited your original post. I've quoted it below - a rather selective list of athletes there that of course conveniently confirm your narrative.

    And perhaps you'll retract your accusation? But I don't mind if you don't. But for the record. I'm not "bloodthirsty" at all - just highlighting the truth. A rather inconvenient truth in this case of course

    Yossi Benayoun was a part time fitness instructor and Deni Avdija completed his in America. Athletes dont serve combat roles and often get their service done around their sport training as a priority. Their duty is commuted to representing Israel internationally rather than combat roles in the IDF.

    But you wont dare admit that and want to try and portray the Israeli team as bloodthirsty for your own satisfaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Can you tell me where I said they don't serve in the IDF?

    I'm starting to think the inconvenient truth is that you can't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I can hear those pedals whirring away.

    But to assuage any possible embarrassment, I don't believe you did post that. You did however provide a list of athletes who serve in "admin" type roles within the IDF (as if that somehow absolves them). Perhaps your search terms were a little narrow?

    You posted that they don't serve in combat units. Which they do.

    And on the basis of your disinformation, accused me of being "bloodthirsty".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I thought I read Israel has been playing in Hungary or similar?

    Not heard anything about the location of the Ireland home game. I'd imagine it's being discussed but recent events way well change that discussion and the decided venue.

    I certainly doubt Ireland's away fixture will be in Israel with the various military campaigns being waged in the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I made a mistake. And admitted it.

    Your turn.

    But don't worry PJ, it's no problem if you don't admit to lying/making a mistake. I know it'd kill you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    As it stands

    Ireland home game in aviva

    Israel home game will be in hungary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Combat or no combat, an easy win for Ireland would be for the Dept of Foreign Affairs to refuse visas for those players who served, no matter what capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Allinall


    There's not a chance the home game will be in ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,544 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    If we refuse to host Israel it will call into question our ability to host Euro 2028 games as its quite possible these games could involve Israel.



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