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Dublin Central By-election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,424 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    What’s all this bulldust about “holding noses” about.

    Chancers is all you have leading the left, MLMC, KERINS, BACIK, and those two clowns RBB and MURPHY

    It would t be one’s noses one would be holding if that lot got their hands on the levers of power,pal.

    It would be the handle of a suitcase out of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,059 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It would be the handle of a suitcase out of the country.

    Oh not again! 😁 suitcase must be permanently in the hall of Chez Brendi. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Absolutely, and the parties that go in know this is likely to happen, which is why they have a big wish list of policies to get over the line for any agreement.

    Greens got a lot of stuff in in the last government and knew nobody would reverse it.

    Again, to reiterate, I'd rather those parties didn't act as a third leg for FF and FG but we are where we are. SF are just not a viable alternative. They're losing support from both the left and the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    'Kerins'.

    Also, this post sounds very angry. You talk about the doom and gloom of 'de left' as if the status quo is going so well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,059 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I agree SF need to have an internal debate to establish where they are going and to communicate it much better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,157 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It's up to the parties of the left to do it. If they can hold their noses and go in with FF FG, surely it cannot be difficult to hold their noses and coalesce with others who are left and lean to the left.

    Issue there is the numbers. If Soc Dems/Labour/Greens hold out against partnering with FFG after the next election likelihood is they will not get an SF-led left coalition instead but an SF-FF one. Would that be better from their perspective and that of their voters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They will be no left government in this country. They could never agree to anything as a unit in the past and they don't get on with each other in opposition so how they could form a government is beyond me. In the last Dail SF wouldn't even engage with the other left parties which they now recognise as a massive political mistake. As a democracy we are fairly conservative but now in fragmented form we are still leaning to the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nah. Ireland had been a centrist country for the guts of the last 60 years and there is no sign of that changing.

    Anyhoo, onto Count No. 8 in GW.

    Thomas leads by 1,830, but its fair to say the upcoming big chunks of transfers will largely favour Kyne.

    Will it be enough to see him overtake his opponent? Gonna be interesting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The SDs ran a slick campaign and picked a good candidate, Ennis seems to be a likeable guy.

    Their problem as a party that obviously wants to grow is they are dead in the water outside urban areas.

    Yeah I know Whitmore and Cairns got elected but they are the exception rather than the rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    My issue would be that son fein aren't really a left party, they are populist and will go whichever way the winds blow. I vote centre left (labour/Soc dem/greens in that order if there was a vote tomorrow) but I transfer to FF and FG before I'd transfer to SF.

    Until SF properly leave the past behind and sort out the perception of the men in back rooms in Belfast I don't see their chances of being more transfer friendly (even from the left) improving...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I noticed Gary Gannon was in a lot of the pictures last night smiling away next to Daniel Ennis. He must really have mixed feelings though. It's going to be very tough for them to hold both those seats at the next election. Worst case scenario for Gannon is that they split his vote and neither of them get in.

    I think the fact that the combined Hutch/Steenson vote increased from the general election means that there could very well be a seat for whichever one of them can come out on top next time. I think the strain of anger at the authorities that their vote represents is only going to grow between now and the next election as yet more inflation kicks in.

    Mary Lou will win a seat is she runs again (but not get a running mate in) but really she's the only one who's a guarantee.

    It could be an almighty scrap between Gannon, Sherlock, Hutch/Steenson and Ennis (and possibly even McAdam and Horner) for the other 3 seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Sinn fein had similar situation when Mark Ward won by election in 2019 in Dublin mid West and they've hung onto 2 seats in next 2 elections. Helps that that is a 5 seater though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,923 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I just heard the FF candidate didn't get his expenses. Bloody hell, that's damaging.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    It's interesting how in the 2 bye-elections 3 of the 4 government candidates did pretty badly and yet Sean Kyne looks like he's going to win a seat. Remarkable showing by him really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    By-elections favour personalities, general elections favour voter's wallets.

    Sean Kyne has a very strong personal vote in Galway and is well liked and respected. It seems to be so also for Daniel Ennis, though I don't know anything about him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,923 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    In every way. It's further embarrassment for FF and Martin. Their reputation in the capital is terrible. Bertie owned this constituency.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭BestWestern


    I can understand the incumbent party not winking the by-election, but for the chief opposition party to be overlooked by the voters tells me that people don't see them running the next government.

    Mary Lous days are coming to an end. About time too, as we need a credible alternative to FF and FG.

    Holly Cairns said today that voters are seeking a more “positive” political offering and I tend to agree. Sinn Fein say no to everything, and are shouty and argumentative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They aren't really exceptional either, when you analyse it.

    Whitmore's base is Bray. That was enough for her in Wicklow. Bray is just a Dublin suburb getting more hipster by the day. Greystones is just a Dublin suburb getting more notions by the day.

    Cairns is pure West Cork money. Organic produce and enormous holiday mansions in cosmopolitan gourmet coastal towns to her core. Its Dublin 4 on holidays.

    Being the provisional wing of Donnybrook Fair as they are, the SDs don't have a massive potential for growth, except in thriving urban and dormitory areas, where competition is fierce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,837 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Shouty and argumentative? Pearse coming in as leader will fix that!

    😄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,059 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They grew their vote share from 0% to 4-5% over two elections in Cavan Monaghan. They need to be in the 12 -15% range to have a crack at an actual seat. They are on the up and wins like Ennis will accelerate growth IMO.
    Taking the soup and entering a FF FG coalition will kill it stone dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭BestWestern


    The electorate prefer donnybrook fair to Northern bank it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Probably, but will they able to resist?

    The lure of power and influence is too strong. Too many parties have refused the call when at their peak, and then the tide goes out on them regardless as their relevance fades.

    So over the next decade or so, the Soc Dems can choose to burn out or to fade away.

    Will be interesting to see what happens vis-a-vis themselves and Labour. Its clear there has been no Bacik Bounce, and Labour is as directionless and indistinct as ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,059 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You have got to observe that the FF FG vote share is inexhorably falling. There will come a tipping point.

    The rather bizarre merger has staved that off for a while, but still the decline goes on. They won't always be the only option for government formation. Soc Dems would be wise to avoid and keep building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The writing is on the wall for Noel Thomas now.

    The transfers from the centrists are killing him and will leave Seán Kyne as last man standing.

    A great day for the party but more particularly for Seán personally. I expect to see him back in the junior ministerial ranks or the chair of an important committee very soon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,059 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There is a Galway West thread @Larbre34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, there isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,151 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058435197/2026-galway-west-by-election#latest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭BestWestern


    No Bacik bounce as Labour keep focusing on topics that have no relevance to our day to day lives. I feel the SDs at least attempt to stay focused.

    Just look at the recent articles on

    https://labour.ie/

    Four of last five articles are on topics that have no relevance to day to day life of the plurality of irish voters. All the topics are nice to have, but only one of them is a must.

    Of note, the last SF policy on their website was from October 2025 - they aren't in a hurry to tell us what they stand for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




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