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The small amount of new houses being built.... houses on top of houses, no space anywhere.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Ironically, I was in citywest the other day and thought it looks like the outer suburbs of some European cities I've been to.

    Gardens are a personal preference (I myself would be happy with just a modest size yard for a small table and shed) but the lack of common green areas and trees in new developments is a bit depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Of course but not a large garden a patio some grass a few flower beds a garden shed and that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You're not going to get a very large garden in new builds these days, especially in Dublin, so your post is essentially irrelevant.

    Majority would want what you've just described which, in my opinion, should be required for all new builds.

    If you don't provide private outdoor space then far larger outdoor public spaces are required for any new estate and facilities such as playgrounds need to be included.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    We are saying the same thing did you read my post? I said small garden, not no garden.

    I have been in 3 houses in my lifetime so far, and when viewing houses to buy, it was striking how many back gradens were just a patio, grass, and a shed, no flowers, no shrubs, no trees, bare walls. I would estimate 2 out of 10 had worked on back gardens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Yes, your initial post never mentioned anything about a small garden, you said 2 people don't want a big garden as if it's a fact, which is not true.

    We'd love a garden twice or even three times the size that ours currently is but that was never realistic for where we were buying. Every couple I know, would prefer to have a larger garden than they currently have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭xpletiv


    I dont agree with a lot of what people have posted.

    Simple reality is that the generations above us (ie Boomers) had it all, size, space, affordability. Now they pulled that ladder up and expect us all to rent. My own father goes to me 'how are you going to raise 3 kids in your small house, you need a bigger house'. No kidding; where am I going to get a bigger house though, theyre all boxes, or multi millions. He lives with his partner in a 5 bedroom house. No sign of him downsizing same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Just offer him a direct swap, he'll soon change his tune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭littlefeet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    The worst back garden horrors were those that had a patio and paved over the rest of the garden, and worse still, that wasn't uncommon, my pet peeve with new estates is no grass verge after the path, so no trees, it's straight out from the drive to the road.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭tarvis


    no families or smaller families now equals no taxpayers or fewer taxpayers to bleed dry in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭xpletiv


    They arent called the selfish generation for nothing…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,894 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,584 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Calls people selfish but looking for a few gaff..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,584 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In 10yrs we'll be back complaining about the concrete jungles we've created and no social or living spaces or green spaces. We keep ignoring the past. All the flats we built, the problems they caused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭engineerws


    We moved out to Wicklow 3 years ago and it's crazy to see how many extremely unattractive developments have been springing up in that timeframe. Craftsmanship seems to be a thing of the past....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,186 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Here there is a huge green. Kids and families play sports, exercise, play with dogs, hang out. A loved community green space. When this was starting I commented …” in XX years there’ll probably be apartments on that green .” I was reacted to like I was talking pure BS. I recounted again a few months back, the more resigned reply now..” well, probably, it’s heading that way…” A sad indictment of the new mindset and direction this country is headed.

    What next ?..You don’t need green spaces ? / You don’t need parks ? / You don’t need sports clubs ? / you don’t need community centre’s ?…you can ‘exist’ without ? to exist is not living.

    Already building homes in the Phoenix Park and a local tennis club here tried to sell up for the same purpose but they couldn’t attain planning..but that was only due to access to the site, it’s up a narrow lane between houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    You can't tell Greystones or Delgany apart. New houses everywhere. Carrickmines and Kiltiernan was green fields five years ago, now its all covered in terraces of townhouses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,092 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Already building homes in the Phoenix Park

    What’s this now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    What is the end game of houses to be built? We have record homeless but it’s evident thats by design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Kilternan is being swamped in apartment blocks and the new road will open more areas to development of more prefabricated apartment blocks.

    There's people making money off it I guess. Sustainability seems to be a thing of the past. Sad situation when the working poor can't afford a house and too prudent to have kids without a home.

    Community center's seem to be a thing of the past. Our government is appalling.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    How exactly is this evident?

    The end game of houses being built is that people get to live in them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    we can’t house the world and its mother and father.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    We're not trying to. We don't appear to be doing a very good job of housing the people here today.

    Cause we need more housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Flats aren't the issue.

    Good well built commie style flats are actually amazing when built right.

    Heat & energy efficient, fits loads of people, saves space and building up and not out.

    The issue is when the area around the flats have no amenities (parks, playgrounds etc).

    As long as there is green space around the building, we are fine.

    No car spaces is not a problem as proper public transport should be provided eliminating the need..

    As for space, not everyone needs a big house. If you don't need the space - don't get it.

    A small style bungalo is fine as long as its functional, style be damned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,584 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The point is in the past we build flats and apartments with none of those things. We are doing it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭secman


    There's a huge amount of flats being built now, these days they are called apartments. The old style Dublin corporation flats complex usually had a unit in the complex, sometimes in the pram sheds where they had a man who looked after the day to day cleaning the common areas, the clothesline yard, stairwells etc. Now a days the new complex require a management company to be in place and levy the owners to fund the upkeep and more importantly the insurance on the overall buildings. These scenarios generally run into problems down the road, with some owners going into arrears and another core of owners keeping the funding going. I've had experience of both, grew up in a Dublin corporation complex, in latter years , wirking in accountancy practices , working on management companies accounts for apartment complex 's . It turned me off ever buying an apartment. On the topics of gardens, as a young couple with young kids, the gardens where a chore that you dreaded. Letting grass go 2 weeks without a cut and being more of a chore. These days we really "get" gardening and enjoy it, tipping away daily it's now no longer a chore but a chill out time, a little every day is now the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    We are actually. We’re being colonised, there are a lot of sick people with oikophobia who need help. Youre logic on keep building houses is nonsensical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    We’re being colonised

    Calm down there Jim Ratcliffe, Ireland is not being colonised.



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