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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Very well put by Joe...

    "We get it, we understand it. For us older boys who have experienced so many good times here it does hurt. If it didn't then you shouldn't still be here. We want to make it right.

    "It's just a reaction to the whole year, and that's fair enough. The fans pay their hard-earned money to come and watch us and they're entitled to show their frustration."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,563 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Statements like that are typical, but achieve nothing. We have a bunch of individuals that at any given point will show come passion, some anger. We saw it yesterday with Sobo and MacAlister , lil bursts of fury, random, chaotic, but with no rhyme or reason or tactical motive, just pure frustration coming out as a reaction to the groans of the crowd. Team has no togetherness, it should be fun to be on it for whole game, to not give an inch, not back down, to out run and out work teams, and for the whole team to be at it, to have each others backs.

    We've drifted far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭jones


    I think people saying we shouldn't get Alonso as he's too like Slot are missing the point. I don't think too many would be complaining about Slots style if it was working (as it did for most of last season). The problem is Slot can't get the team to play how he wants to play unless he's completely lost the plot and wants to play the dross we're seeing every week this season.

    Alonso would drive standards and effort which are the real things we're missing right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    People will not care about style, it is about competing and winning at the end of the day. If we compete and play a boring style like Arsenal this season you will get some moaning but it will be in the minority. We are not special where we can only win by playing "the Liverpool way", that is one the reasons United have found themselves in some trouble, it is not just about winning but winning a certain way and that will only lead to trouble in the long term.

    Whoever is the manager, they will need to compete to win the crowd back. If it is someone new like Alonso they will be given time to do that, if it is Slot still he will need to win from the start or the pressure will be unbearable quite quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting we shouldn’t go after Alonso because he’s similar to Slot. He could well be exactly the man we need. I was simply making the point that, stylistically, he isn’t Klopp 2.0, so expectations would need to be tempered.

    I also fully agree that Slot isn’t getting the best out of this group, and I made that exact point in a separate post after the Chelsea game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭DJIMI TRARORE


    A blast from the past boys+girls, Fabio Borini came on for Salford today in l2 playoff, for some reason I thought he'd retired in Italy years ago, still only 35



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    How many up and coming premier league managers doing well with smaller clubs never came or anything when getting a big gig. We had it ourselves with Rogers who was probably the closest to actually getting a major success, Graham potter - an utter failure, Eddie Howe - waste of time going nowhere. To name just a few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,406 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I think your examples are proving the limitations of British managers rather than up and coming managers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Permanent memorial to Jota and his brother to be installed outside the main stand...

    At its centre is a flowing heart sculpture, in acknowledgement of Diogo's iconic goal celebration, while viewed from different angles it also reveals the numbers 20 and 30, which adorned the back of the brothers' playing shirts.

    Untitled Image

    https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/lfc-releases-images-permanent-memorial-honour-diogo-jota-and-andre-silva



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    That's a great design/idea. Kudos to whoever came up with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,303 ✭✭✭54and56


    All established big club managers were formerly up and coming smaller club managers until a "big" club spotted their talent and gave them a shot, with the rare exception of the likes of Pep, Enrique and Zidane.

    If you want to narrow yor search criteria in the summer, assuming Slot does go in the summer, to just established big club managers who are either available or can be got (out of their existing contract) what is your short list?

    Same goes for players BTW. When was the last time Liverpool poached an established top class player from an established "big" club? Liverpool have always backed their scouting and talent analysis and we've ended up with the likes of Robbo, Bobby, Mane and Salah etc neither of whom were comeing from clubs as big or bigger than Liverpool. Yes we've paid world record transfer fees for Alisson, VVD and Isak but none of them came from clubs bigger than Liverpool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,334 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Do any of the journalists ask Slot any difficult questions at all? What’s your philosophy/how do you improve/ why is there always the same glaring deficiencies etc…? Feels like he gets a bit of a free ride in front of the cameras. Granted, some of them are posting more critical pieces about him the last couple weeks but that’s easy do.


    Club is arriving to a bit of a watershed moment with its next course of action whatever it is they decide to do, plenty good players but some now past their peak, how do you start planning for post VVD & Salah, the remnants of Klopp team is almost all gone.


    Alonso seems like the obvious choice, former player, plenty accolades on the pitch and a massively impressive stint at Leverkusen. You would have to factor in him getting a lot out of Wirtz at Leverkusen being a big attraction to bring him in also. Hard to imagine who else might come in? Fascinating few weeks ahead for sure. Keeping Slot is the same as Rodger’s lost season where we famously got hammered by Stoke at the end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,261 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Rodgers was actively trying to be sacked by the time we played Stoke, a line up featuring two defenders and eight midfielders would have been apt for his final game. Rickie Lambert was introduced around the 70th minute and had an immediate impact but we were 5-0 down by that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,337 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The Alonso rumours are getting amped up to 11.
    Folks are now back to tracking private jets and making guesses.
    Apparently, this flight is to setup a meeting between the club and Xabi 🤔

    https://x.com/i/status/2053792732171075858

    Whatever happens?
    And to be clear I hope it's a Slot out, please let the decision be made before the WC kicks off and the squad breaks up for the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Good article diving into some of the stats on injuries, rotations (or lack of), subs use (or lack of) etc

    It's probably not going to tell you much you don't already think, but it's an interesting read

    https://x.com/SimonBrundish/status/2053550311806271687?s=20

    It's a long read, here's an example excerpt...

    Van Dijk has played 5,592 season minutes, including 4,408 for Liverpool, with 50 full 90s. A Career high at 34 years of age

    Szoboszlai has played 5,405 season minutes, 4,189 for Liverpool, with 46 full 90s. A second career high in a row, 40% higher than his previous career max.

    Gravenberch has played 4,586 season minutes, 3,649 for Liverpool, with 36 full 90s. Career high.

    Konaté has played 4,531 season minutes, 3,911 for Liverpool, with 33 full 90s. Career high.

    Mac Allister is at 4,168 season minutes. Career high.

    Wirtz is at 4,152. Career high.

    Salah is at 4,129.

    Gakpo is at 3,998.

    Kerkez is at 3,955. Career high.

    Ekitike is at 3,357. Career high



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    Could be anyone on those flights really.

    Someone on Sky who apparently knows a bit about Chelsea reckons Alonso might decide to take a year out. If that's true it sounds like he could wait for us. I fear we're about to throw away another season though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    There have been a few reports over the last week or two that Chelsea have also been in contact with Alonso.

    For all anyone knows, those London flights could be Chelsea representatives…..or absolutely nothing football related at all, which is probably the most likely outcome.

    If Alonso is to take another year out, then surly thats a non runner for Liverpool. Slot will be gone by October regardless, I can't seen them waiting until next June for a replacemnt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭jones


    Seems to be a big increase in the number of connected reporters saying Slot is no longer the man to take liverpool forward. A notable change in the last few weeks so there must be something going on behind the scenes in the last week or so. Slot deserves respect for what he did last season but he must go at the end of this season and it looks like sense will prevail.

    Was there talk of Alonso taking next year off too? I thought it was just to see out this season on a gardening leave type thing from Real Madrid and re-assess over the summer. Iraola could also be worth a punt but i'm always nervous of managers who's done well with "smaller" clubs making the step up - as i heard the other day very few cares if you lose 3 games in a row at Bournemouth but at a bigger club its entering crisis point.

    Nagelsmann is another name i've heard mentioned for after the world cup which could also be interesting.

    If there was ever a team that needed to start afresh its this liverpool team the world cup over the summer only complicates it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    I very much doubt he really wants to take a year out, but may be willing to wait for Liverpool rather than go to Chelsea. If the Liverpool job becomes available and he's still a free agent there's no way he'd turn it down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,303 ✭✭✭54and56


    Why would Slot be "gone by October regardless" if FSG decide to stick with their plan and allow him at least one more season to transition from the aging (but still PL winning) Klopp team he inherited to a new set of young players chosen to fit the style of play Slot wants to implement?

    FSG may well lose faith that Slot can execute a successful transition to a new PL challenging team and replace him in the summer but if they decide to stick with him and Slot is back for pre-season training then it'll be Xmas at the earliest before they'd make a decision to fire him and that would only be becuase things had not improved at all. Far more likely in my opinion that having given him the green light for the 2026/27 season they'd give him the season and review towards the end i.e. circa 12 months from now and if he's not making the right progress they would then seek to appoint a new manager in summer 2027.

    FSG make very calm considered decisions and once made they stick to them unless there is an exceptional or very compelling reason not to.



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    You keep repeating this notion that FSGs plan was a 3 year transition. Are you just assuming this based on him having a 3 year deal?

    The plan would have been a new contract for Slot this summer based on the progress we'd have shown in his first 2 seasons, since absolutely no club wants their manager to go into the final year of their deal.

    Do you think the club can give him one right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    You can have as many long term plans as you want in football, but it's rare that many of them are actually seen through. It's the nature of the game, you have to be respond to what's actually happening, not what you believed would be the case two years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Surely we get some sort of official announcement on the Konate deal soon too. Officially, the situation currently is that he is leaving after 2 more games. They can't have a scenario where his future is up in the air before the last game of the season as they will want to do a fairwell etc if he is leaving. All players get them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    Because there’s absolutely no evidence that Arne Slot is successfully transitioning this side, and I don’t see that changing. He constantly tells reporters after games that this style of play is not his intention, that he doesn’t want pedestrian sideways passing (no manager does, TBF), and that his players are constantly losing their duels and taking up the wrong positions.

    If he’s saying all these things, and they’re in fact true, then quite simply the players are not listening to his instructions. And In the 60 years or more that I’ve been watching and going to football, I’ve yet to see a manager win players back once he’s lost them, and I don’t see that changing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,638 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    "Barcola wants Liverpool" came up on my Google news.

    It's a bit late for April Fools!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    If he's still in charge next season and there's no sign of progress in the first 2 months then it's more likely he's gone in October than be left till this time next year, there would be riots if Slot was left until this time next year and no improvement. You can have any plan you want, but, if it's clearly not working you have to bite the bullet and make the change. The sensible thing is to let him go over the summer and start next season with a new manager and clean slate!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    You'd have to question Alonso's judgement if he is considering joining Chelsea.

    For Iraola, it would be a step up but I doubt he'd last 12 months. A couple of poor results and the Chelsea fans would be asking "why did we appoint someone from Bournemouth".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭DRedSky


    Yeah Alonso got sacked by a club who sack managers for fun. So if his next move after that experience is to join another club with a fondness for sacking managers repeatedly then really you’d have to question his judgment, as said above.



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