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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    That grid would only get dirtier and more expensive if we had brought in fracked LNG from the US and then entered into a contract that obliged us to buy millions of cubic metres of it per year for a few decades

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Ah yes the famous Irish gas molecule discriminator which sits at the end of the only gas pipeline we have and checks each molecule for Americanness 🇺🇸

    /s

    😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Still trying to rewrite history.

    After all the greens faffing around on LNG and Ryan`s disgraceful behaviour attempting to use his clout to interfere in a planning application by a private LNG company he still had to accept that we needed LNG. Like greens with nuclear we were too ideologically pure to do any of the heavy lifting so in another of their Irish solutions to an Irish problem the terminal will be on a leased LNG ship offshore.

    To add farce on top of farce as I am typing this in the background I hear RTE discussing those electric buses in Dublin still being charged with diesel generators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


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    while our 9GW of wind and solar can’t even generate 10% of that (at the time of this post)

    Look at all that gas that’s currently being burned to keep the lights on (while producing gobs of co2)

    Looks like about 20% of this gas we get comes from via UK from evil LNG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Lol. We literally didn't need it.

    The past has already happened

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    So why is the government now debating buying rather than leasing a LNG vessel and plans for the docking jetty in Co Clare currently being drawn up ?

    The warning by the CRU and Eirgrid was in relation to our future gas security, so how has that now passed when we still have only those same two pipelines from Scotland and what the Corrib gas field can supply is diminishing by the day ?

    Lol indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Because like someone else posted here, all politicians are green....

    Or are they

    The last 'debates' were before the iran war. LNG is even less attractive now as a reserve when its even more expensive and less available than it was 2 months ago.

    4 wasted years debating LNG storage when we should have been ramping up renewables

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The Irish state bans nuclear generation domestically, yet accepts electricity partly produced by nuclear abroad.
    The Greens and their fellow travelers oppose LNG terminals, yet the country relies on gas supply chains that include LNG.
    This country is run by modern day Pharisees projecting purity while still benefiting from what they reject.

    I notice youtube ads, that the ESB has restarted their "is now the right time" campaign discouraging people using electricity at peak time. Weather generated electricity is neither cheap nor reliable, our electricity bills say it all. In fact the recent all time Irish record peak electricity consumption events have coincided with the total disappearance of wind and solar from the grid, in fact wind and solar themselves become grid consumers in these circumstances. Grid balancing and curtailments costs will continue to increase as they add more "ruinable" enegy to the grid. We are paying for electricity that cannot be used.

    Further, Irish strategy has been to run extension leads to the neighbours, Has anyone considered what is happening on the other sides electicity grid? especially Britain. In addition countries domestic populations are getting sick of paying more for for being the electricity generation battery to other countries, this is especially noticeable in Norway and Sweden.

    Somehow the vested interests have made the energy consumption debate all about weather dependent electricity generation , that's only a fraction of the energy we consume. Where do we think the pharma industry here in Ireland gets it's raw materials? Irish Exchequer receipts would not look so good without products derived from hydrocarbons.

    The recent fuel protests have established a ceiling on the price of fuel, from now on politicians pushing carbon tax increases will pay for it at the polling booth. I am surprised that Sinn Fein has not broken ranks with the establishment on carbon tax, their leadership appears to be playing both sides of the issue.

    Aontú Leader Peadar Tóibín TD has accused the Government of “carbon tax gouging” after he found almost a quarter of a billion euro in carbon taxes went back to the Exchequer. source


    Calls to double down on solar and wind generation are simply a deflection from reality. The people who are paying the subsidies through their consumption of"fossil fuels" have said enough, the benefactors can foot the bill for their expansion.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Mayo and Louth


    “The Irish state bans nuclear generation domestically”

    That might be about to change. FF TD to introduce a bill to overturn this ban. Should happen IMO.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2026/0503/1571570-nuclear-energy-laws/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Politicians ain’t stupid they are caught between having to handover 28 billion to eu and hundreds of communities up and down the country freaking out loudly about Eiffel Tower sized turbines or thousands of acres of solar and battery industrial installations going on agriland

    And solving both problems with a single 50 hectare plot in Dublin docks or government owned land somewhere for same amount



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Any nuclear plant would be built a fair distance from Dublin and there would be a lot of gombeenism about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It would only have only been throwing good money after bad.

    Under the current plan we will be burning as much, if not more, gas in 2050 as we are now while paying emissions fines and have the most expensive electricity on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Even if the underlying nuclear ban is overturned the usual NIMBYs/BANANAs will keep it stuck in planning hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    No doubt, but you are dealing with one lot of NYMBYS then

    right now almost every rural TD has a constituency that can possibly tip the next election in different direction full of people angry about the amounts of land and visual impact in their area due to renewables and others who are opposing peaker plants and new power lines to burn gas to backup said unreliable renewables

    Galway East alone has half a dozen projects and due to the widely dispersed nature everyone is impacted

    And that’s before the 28 billion we are told only higher up in thread we have to give away to our “colonial EU overlords” (/s of course) best of luck to any government /parties who hand over so much money and commits political suicide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    NIMBYs are all the same. They'll simply oppose whatever happens to be the project in the area, be it green, brown, or glowing green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    That is completely untrue.

    I don't have much faith that the plan will be implemented properly given the biggest output so far has been lip service but under the current plan Ireland will have 100% renewable electricity and almost all domestic energy and most of the economy will have been electrified by 2050

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Building an LNG terminal would only increase the cist of our electricity.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    More wind and solar (and hence gas as backup for the majority of time these generate **** all) has already led to second highest electricity prices in Europe

    Losing our only gas pipeline whether to accident or deliberate sabotage would leave the country without electricity altogether for 6+ months

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2026/03/14/damage-to-irish-subsea-gas-pipelines-could-take-six-months-to-fix-and-lead-to-power-outages/

    Let’s see what our 9GW of renewables are doing this fine morning… oh..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    With the National Children's Hospital farce showing no sign of ending any time soon, would you trust Irish politicians to commission the building of a safe nuclear plant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The plan here was to by 2050 have zero emissions. That was based on 37 GW of installed capacity offshore wind split 50/50 between domestic supply and green hydrogen production fulfilling our projected demand need for 2050 of ~15.5 GW. Wind Energy Ireland`s projections are higher.

    The 37 GW installed capacity was based on up to 30 GW from floating wind farms off the west coast with capacity factors of 55% - 60%. It was a green fantasy that anyone who knew anything about our west coast could have told them it was. Many actually did and were hand waved away. Ryan finally had to admit it was not possible and Scerdie Rocks further proved it with the result that no company will even dream of building fixed turbines let alone floating off the west coast.

    Best you can hope for now is fixed bottom wind farms around the rest of the coast with the U.K. average of a 42% capacity factor. But even that is doubtful. Of the three recently awarded contracts in the Irish Sea The average capacity factor for U.K. fixed turbines in the Irish Sea is ~36%. But lets be optimistic and say that the average will be the same as the U.K. at 42%.

    50% of 37 GW is 18.5 GW, At a capacity factor of 42% that would generate 7.77GW. Our present installed capacity of wind, solar and hydro will supply ~ 1.8 GW. That leaves you with generation of 9.57GW. 6 GW short of the lowest projection of our 2050 requirements.

    So where are you going to get that 6 GW from ?

    Btw even Denmark has said that a 100% renewables grid isn`t possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The government now contemplating whether to lease an LNG vessel for €60 million + a year or buy one for €600 million +



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Generating a quarter of our electricity

    Not so bad given that we've not built any offshore wind turbines yet.

    In a few years we'll have the Celtic interconnector and between the interconnectors and todays wind and solar, and the 5GW of extra solar due to come onboard by 2030

    almost all of our power stations would be idle most of the time.

    Pair this with the eventual construction of offshore wind and increases in grid scale storage as replacement for 'peaker plants' and frequency regulation, and oil and gas plants will be required less and less

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Solar may have it`s place, but it`s not as a utilities grid supplier.

    During winter when our demand is highest that 5 GW installed would be lucky to provide 0.25GW. And for two of the three daily peak demand times during winter would be supplying nothing as it would still be asleep in the dark.

    Discussing renewables with greens is like playing dominoes with them. Soon as one of their dominoes falls over not being fit for purpose they are off chasing the next shiny domino.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ireland has lots of wind in winter with grid scale storage in winter value in the solar farms will be using colocated batteries for grid services.

    You have difficulty discussing with 'Greens' because you cannot get past extremely simplistic all or nothing arguments

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Which would cost hundreds of billions of euro which someone (Irish consumer) would have to pay

    If you went to a car dealership and they tell you here is an electric car which costs multiples of this diesel car over here

    Oh and btw it can only reach normal speeds 10% of time (solar) or 30% of time (wind) but it’s ok you can take expensive uber (gas) to work in that case on them random days the car can’t get out of driveway or go faster than walking speed

    You would rightly laugh at the scammers

    Yet that’s that’s exactly the 💩 on a stick we were sold in this country and now paying for with expensive electricity which to add insult to injury is emitting 6-20x more co2 than France



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I have difficulty discussing with greens because both reality and finance to them are two planets in a far distant galaxy where they either run away or attempt to deflect any time either is raised.

    We have intermittent unreliable wind that drops off the scale for extended periods, especially in winter where our demand is greatest when solar would have a capacity factor of 5% or less.

    Battery storage is another of the latest shiny attractions for them. Have you even bothered to calculate what battery storage would cost to supply just a n average 3.6 GW grid for 24 hours before they are flat ?

    If you haven`t then I can give it too you based on the ESB battery storage costs. It is beyond laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is a myth that solar and wind generation are cheap, that's myth is pushed using levelised cost of electricity (LCOE) metrics, when you take into account the total system cost of electricity, the real story is told in our electricity bills. When the country most needs electricity (frostly evenings), wind and solar generation totally disappear from the grid, batteries are only used for short term balancing, they are needed along with synchronous condensers due to the problems caused by unpredictable non-synchronous generation sources. Therefore we need a combination of gas, oil and inter-connectors to keep the lights on

    Even a new coal plant takes 10 years to deliver a project, nuclear would take 10-12 years to deliver in Ireland. You have to start somewhere and the first step is terminating the 1999 legislation and pass legislation to stymie the eco-mentalists. 2 x Korean APR-1400s would be approx $8.7 billion per unit and take 8-10 years to deliver from start of project, financing etc. to completion. When eco-mentalists are not controlled they would add at least $2 billion to the cost of the project. They are a significant factor in infrastructure bottlenecks experienced today in Ireland. If the EU gets involved especially on financing the state would be forced to take EPR reactors (EDF, France) that would nearly double the cost per unit. Finland (similar population to Ireland) last reactor (EPR) construction estimated total cost $11 billion. Irish consumers pay 1.6x to 2x as much as Finnish consumers for electricity.

    Just to meet the projected demand increase for electricity in the next 5 years, Eirgrid are telling us we need another 400MW generation capacity. There are external problems most of the gas we use comes from the North sea. The hostile attitude of various combinations of Labour/Lid Dems/Tory governments since the early 2000s in favour of net zero has meant that production from the British side has fallen substantially, the industry has been starved of investment. That has serious implications for energy security here in Ireland, not just gas but diesel and other chemicals they supply as well.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    This article is typical of the zeitgeist, for instance he says "Recent research from Oxford University showed that a country fully powered by renewable energy would save households a huge amount".

    He does not say which study, most likely it is this one from 2022 which on the surface looks like computer modelling based on assumptions. Here is an unavoidable fact, nowhere in the world is there a countrys grid that runs on wind, solar and batteries, there is not even a city that can do this, not even a island that can demonstrate this as a successful proof of concept (there have been attempts, but in the end all need fossil fuel backup systems)

    As usual these articles ignore costs (Grid expansion, Storage (batteries, peakers), Backup capacity (gas or oil), Curtailment losses (wasted wind/solar) and System balancing costs.) Once you start hitting high penetration (70–90%) of intermittent generation, system costs rise non-linearly.

    Then he goes on to say the solution is "already here" and "cheaper" but cites no costs for us to evaluate that claim. Does he know Ireland anymore since he landed the gig in Brussels? Planning/permitting delays (years), Grid connection queues, offshore wind build timelines (5–10+ years) and the usual labour and supply chain constraints and economic costs. He provides no realistic timeline.

    As usual with these articles physics constraints are largely ignored. Wind and solar are non-dispatchable sources, to run a modern grid 24x7 supply must match demand in real time. Wind & Solar require large physical footprint, He promotes an offshore wind scheme off Waterford, he fails to mention it is capital intensive to deliver and maintain such diffuse power generation at sea.

    Typical of these articles there is no engineering analysis if the proposed solution is viable, and there is no costed transition plan.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    After reading his comments I had to double check which party he represents as it was straight out of the green playbook.

    All hopium and not a figure to be found.



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