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That Trump thread is a joke (IMHO)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hmmmm, indeed.

    If the shitpost example below is anything to go by as an indicator of the type of "balance" that FAILSAFE wants the thread to go in, then we all should be happy that it isn't going that way, including the mods.

    Another lefty. No suprise here. Its always them.

    The left have a huge problem that needs to be addressed. Even this thread is a mirror showing the acceptance, celebration and justification of political violence that has infected the left.

    It appears to be getting worse. Which of course lefty posters here will say thats due to Trumps actions and thats why he deserves x, y and z.

    Trump will be gone from the White House for good in a few years. I can't fathom how some posters here will rejoin society in a post Trump era. The hatred is so ingrained into their DNA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They are making points similar to yours. Why are trying to gatekeep who can give their opinion on the Trump thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    And now we are at the stage of discussion where instead of engaging in actual discussion and content it becomes just whining about moderation. The exact same pattern that plagues the Trump thread.

    Those with a minority view complaining and whining about having a minority view and complaining that somehow the mods need to "balance" the discussion so that the minority view is somehow equal to the majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Strange take.

    Would you only expect to see suspended members at an AGM to change the club rules?

    In fact sometimes the opposite, members on a long ban would not be permitted to input to that.

    It is an open forum.

    Of course I would welcome more input from the mod team here. We could all be wasting our time as it is unclear what process the posts in this helpdesk thread will feed into. And strictly speaking this is a helpdesk thread not a feedback one.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Erm…this thread is LITERALLY about the Trump thread and you're crying because he's getting discussed in it.

    😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its utter insanity but its part of the ingrained victim complex.

    Like if I went into the Liverpool thread and said Gerrard was shíte, then when inevitably the majority of posters disgree with me - its not a "pile on" or "echo chamber" or "bias" when the majority would disagree with me its just basic common fùcking sense that my niche edgy opinion will not go down well - its also not "moderator bias" if I thus got myself a ban from the Liverpool thread and/or the entire soccer forum - its to be expected for me being a fùckin gobshite for posting it to begin with, I can't blame mods for my own fùcking posts stupidity.

    The amount of babysitting and requirements that Trumpers need in order to be satisfied is utterly unobtainable - and at this stage I genuinely think its by design as if they weren't playing the victim then they would have literally nothing to say. Hence digging up years old threads with the same whines. They just need to be the minority in order to keep playing the victim. No matter what rule changes occur they will ensure they remain this victim minority and keep reposting these type threads. God love the patience of the mods.

    And you could sub Gerrard/Liverpool for Munster/Sexton or any other blatantly edgelord hot take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Exactly. Why not try posting in the Politics thread Trump - The Positives.

    They just want to discuss Trump right?And the CA Trump is "toxic"...

    Nope. They dont want to actually discuss Trump cos they know they cant defend his conduct or "policies".

    It is all just a way of getting criticism of Trump shut down.

    Absolutely nothing stopping them posting in CA if they defend Trump without trolling or bad faith antics.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,703 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Of course I would welcome more input from the mod team here. We could all be wasting our time as it is unclear what process the posts in this helpdesk thread will feed into.

    Early on in the thread I asked what the function of the thread was, as in what was op asking for.

    OP replied that less moderation was wanted.

    It's useless to say there are "vile", "reprehensible", "insert dramatic adjective here" attacks on posters if they're not reported. I've already confirmed that the overall reporting levels in the CA Trump thread are low compared to other CA threads.

    Most anti-Trump posters say the moderation levels are fine, most pro-Trump posters just want to play out previous grievances in a new thread so I'm not sure what the mod team are supposed to do here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Trump is an odious individual especially in relation to women but you need much more clarification than you have given around court decision.

    Trump was sued in a civil court, where on the balance of probability the court found for the Plaintiff.

    Someone convicted in a criminal court has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

    There is a huge difference between the two.

    Most rapists get away with their crime because DPP/Prosecutors don't think they can convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Language around rape matters.

    Language around paedophielia matters.

    What we can say in relation to Trump and McGregor is that it's more likely than not that they committed rape.

    I never see the need to exaggerate with Trump, his corruption is so obvious and in plain sight. His abuse of power, sidelining of Congress etc etc.

    The world needs USA fixed; that starts with

    1. outlawing super PAC system and breaking corporate control of political system

    2. Abolishing the Primary system which amplifies and promotes wingnuts.

    Trump is a symptom of a diseased system. The USA and the world are still in danger after his death/end of presidency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    If me calling a poster a lefty is the worst you can dig up after stalking my posts in a thread packed with vile insults and against myself and others that says a lot to back up my argument.

    Thanks for posting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    At this stage, I would suggest setting a deadline eg thread will be closed in X hours. Make your final contributions. Do not use it to have a go at other posters etc etc

    I have seen this done on similar mod related feedback threads. And I know this is in helpdesk but seems closer to those feedback threads in nature.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    I don't think you have been following the thread.

    Can you enlighten us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's an example of your posting adding absolutely nothing to the thread. A thread that upsets you so much because the guy you're in favour of isn't lauded in the terms you see fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Frankly, that doesn't surprise me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭growleaves


    If the responses to you were intemperate personalised insults, if the majority told you that you're obviously a "Everton supporter" despite your protestations that you aren't one, and posters were generally exploding with anger at any kind of contra-Liverpool opinion and the thread was 10% football analysis and 90% emotional outbursts, with even hints of violence, then you would eventually end by exiting the thread.

    The funny thing is that attempting to circumvent politics to focus completely on tabloid-style Trump-is-bad narratives is a failed political strategy. It was meant to stop Trump from becoming President in 2016 and again in 2024 but didn't.

    Why double-down, triple-down, and then quadruple-down on a political strategy that hasn't worked?

    Because it's emotionally satisfying. It allows lonely, bored, trapped people (internet screen addicts) to feel something, to feel moral especially - though they often are far from good as people themselves, to vent all day letting out intense negative emotions including 'hate' which they say is bad but they feel it very strongly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    Its quite hilarious to be accused of gatekeeping when I can only do a few posts and then I am banned from PA for up to 3 months at a time. Multiple times at this point I might add.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    "Multiple times" yet you insist moderation and other posters are the problem?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    You have to notice the absurdity of what you are saying.

    Absolutely nothing stopping them posting in CA if they defend Trump without trolling or bad faith antics.

    Everyone that holds a different opinion is being silenced with lengthly bans.

    This is why the thread has turned so toxic. Mods selectively striking down anyone that doesn't agree with the hate mob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    We like our echo chamber and how dare anyone question it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    Yes.

    Its one sided moderation to appease the hate mob.

    Cry babies on the Trump thread report my posts to oblivion until a mod deals with me so I can no longer upset their buddies



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Evidence presented that "mods are selectively striking down anyone that doesnt agree with the hate mob".

    None.

    Nobody has provided credible evidence of any post that brought a ban that was not justified.

    The thread has turned "toxic" according to you who describes posters on the thread as "cry babies" and a "hate mob".

    You also used the phrase on the thread: "There are posters on the thread foaming at the mouth..."

    I dont think we have any need of your hypothesis when there seem like far more obvious explanations as to why mods were drawn to your posts.

    Why dont you try posting in Politics, Trump the Positives thread?

    Or have you done so?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    Well its difficult to have free speech when your voice is censored for up to 3 months at a time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its an echo chamber because Trumpers refuse to post in it- outside of whining about it being an echo chamber they can't post in its one of the funniest parts of the victim complex. If they tried posting something other than whines about an echo chamber it might change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So rather than examining your own posting you decide its a conspiracy responsible?

    I don't think theres any moderation change that fixes this problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,680 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I cannot believe that someone who can construct a literate sentence can be so dense about what they are being told. The total lack of critical thinking and the inability to respond without resorting to hyperbole suggests to me that you are just entertaining yourself, aka trolling.

    You have been stopped from trolling in another forum so you have brought it here. Well, get on with it, I'm out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭mountain


    a huge problem in the Trump thread you say…


    the huge problem is Trump and posters who will defend him regardless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Critical thinking, Dear Lord.

    2 years ago most of the individuals on the US politics threads were adamant there was nothing wrong with Biden and he would run for a second term.

    When rumours of him being stood down first came out they were dismissed as far right conspiracy theories, and anyone who questioned Bidens cognitive decline was castigated.

    A few months later the same threads were roaring that Harris was some kind of trailblazer and was storming to victory, we know now that the campaign knew they were never in the race.

    Anyone who argued that Trump might win and the reasoning why was treated like a leper, mocked and bullied.

    Yet these same "critical thinking" posters accuse others of ignorance and hatred when they themselves are the worst informed individuals you are ever likely to come across.

    Unbelievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This trope again.

    I don't remeber anyone saying Biden wasn't in decline or that Harris was a trailblazer - I remember this being claimed repeatedly at the time and when asked to provide a single post showing either absolute crickets

    Most were just pointing out that Biden in decline was not that different to prime Trump and that Kamala didn't have the laundry list of issues Trump had. And due to the American system all 3 options (Biden or Harris) were shìte, America just surprised everyone by going for the worst of the trio.

    But as we've seen here Trumpers have a knack for hyperbole so it became the trope you claim that Biden and Harris were ideal. Yet naturally such examples couldn't be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    All these threads just boil down to people incapable of discussing points lashing out at everyone else for their own issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “America just surprised everyone by going for the worst of the trio.”

    There were a number of posters, continually shot down and indeed banned, who weren’t in the slightest surprised that Trump won the election - and had the posters who shot us down continually throughout the election, had listened and engaged, instead of mocking us, there might have been even more people less “surprised” .

    As for the current Trump thread, I appreciate that Trump news is a constant so it’s not easy to take a birds-eye view and look at the wider implications of his daily pronouncements and actions- so instead it’s react react react - and I’ve done that myself a few times on the thread- but it doesn’t make for good discussion.



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