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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Most readers on this thread will be well aware of your views on these matters …which have been well articulated. They are valid "opinions" but just that ..opinions. Repeating them over and over becomes unnecessary and tiresome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Would you direct your comments at Unkel when he refers to people ? Or is it only when someone responds.

    Perhaps is tiresome having people consistently refer to you then make comments and the expect you not to reply, haven't you considered that. Maybe look back over when I've said let's move on a billion times ? Cheers !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    Tesla are ending option to purchase the FSD in Netherlands on 15th May and moving to subscription only. This is the same approach they have used in US since earlier this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


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    @ LM. More fist-waving (again).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    which chinese capabilities have eclipsed them in this space? the last group test i saw still had tesla way head, interested to see any videos you can share.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    In lidar installation design and incorporation into their vehicles. They're are plenty of Google pages out there. Tesla will reintroduce this back into their range it's guaranteed.

    What did you think I meant ?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s not for other posters to try interpret what you actually mean.

    As you very often say, if you have a point, make it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    People interpret what people are saying every single time someone posts. What are you on about ? Every letter is interpreted and then responded to.

    I made a point, he took it up wrong. C'est la vie' .

    I take people up wrong all the time. Id usually be like sorry I thought you meant x or y. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Actually pivoting back to the CT right hand drive question. Why would they make a rhd CT given the slowing sales of LHD . When they don't make the S or X anymore which they stopped as they were uneconomical to make.

    I'm not clear on the reasoning why that would occur leaving aside hurdles with shape and pedestrian safety items. It does seem rather large hill to climb over for such markets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i thought you meant there is some actual proof that their is a chinese car with demonstrably better self driving, i mean what else would you have meant?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That's exactly what LM meant.

    "…they (Tesla) look like absolute fools in the self driving space. Being eclipsed by Chinese capabilities in this space."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Fair, badly worded I guess. But I was refering to the implementation of lidar tech, and I was referring to them revisiting this my post was prefaced to with that prediction so I assumed folks would see the context.

    I'll note to speak more clearly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It's not what I meant no. But I appreciate clipping out the full quote.

    As I said, perhaps I'll have to phrase things more specifically for people.

    It's not even what I believe though If I was making that argument I'd refer to Waymo having a better handle of this. As I have done many pages ago. I don't believe the Chinese have a better grasp overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    with all due respect Listermint i could stick a pair of wings on my back but it wont help me fly, so unless they are demonstrating self driving thats superior to Tesla what relevance does it have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I was saying they're letting the Chinese advance in Lidar integration, something they'll have to do themselves anyway. So id like to see them just start now.

    Actually I've explained at lengths why I think they should return to where they started with LiDAR prior to Elons cost cutting Segway.

    Can any of you articulate why you think 'video only' is better and will solve full self driving ? That would be more appropriate response rather than superlatives. Its well documented his engineers told him it was a ridiculous idea. But his reasons was he was getting ripped off on lidar sensors from third parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    If it is unsafe and shouldn't be allowed, why has it been approved by the Vehicle Regulatory Authority in the Netherlands?

    Surely that's a form of tacit approval, even if under narrow conditions?

    The rollout to the ordinary driver across the US is getting rave reviews. I can't wait for it to land here and to try it out on Irish roads and traffic situations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I don't think I've said video only is better or that it would solve full self driving ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    can you link us to some information where his engineers told him it’s a ridiculous idea ? You’ve been shown on this thread to have a habit of making claims and then backtracking when called out on them for proof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Sorry are you replying to a previous post of mine, it's just you came at me with this random unrelated reply ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    No just I've been targeted and hounded for saying it's worse. So best guess is you all must therefore think it's better? I'd like to know why



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    First random article there. But like Google would have given you many many reports about this

    Elon Musk overruled Tesla engineers on removing high-tech radars – report https://share.google/3hag7N42LiJAvAQvI

    And no I havent. But we've gone over that too much so let's not do that. Let's not agreed ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Not quite random or unrelated - your main premise seems to be that Tesla FSD using video-only is unsafe and shouldn't go any further.

    Yet it is doing well in the US, where it's a big hit, and has recently been approved in principle (albeit under conditions) by a member of the EU and on its way to full approval across the region.

    Are you sure the whole development is a mistake, or at the very least a gross miscalculation by Tesla?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Targeted and hounded ?

    Did you ever think it's maybe not what you say but how you say it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I've never deferred from the fact it's unsafe. It is for all my previous stated reasons.

    But they won't get the advanced approval for a robotaxi style global scale without incorporating lidar again. They'll have to but the bullet on it at some point. Is what it is. So why let the competition gain advancements in that space especially if you want to get out of true retail manufacturing and fully into autonomy. It makes no sense, I feel his eyes are just elsewhere and the board don't want to make any real decisions on their own. Maybe that's why we're not really seeing anything new coming out of the company other than revisions to existing models.

    Kinda feels they're just circling the airport, whilst he's off doing AI and X.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I do yes, and I don't take that lightly tbh. Have a habit of shooting the mouth. Which I try apologise for but don't often get right.

    It's a badly formed habit and difficult one to shake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,826 ✭✭✭✭893bet


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Did you think for a sec that maybe this isn't what they are after, first up out the gate etc? I also don't see the Chinese competition doing anything that we can see or touch, let alone be left in the dust by.

    I find it hard to believe it's all a colossal miscalculation and that members of Boards.ie have sussed the company out.

    FSD for the Joe Soap citizen has been a big hit and successful for Tesla so far, and now with the prospect of a whole new continent opening up to FSD subscriptions - while they work in the background on whatever the next flavour/version is - lidar-powered or whatever else.

    If for example market-penetration was the goal they have been remarkably successful for a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It's not just a member of boards.ie their own engineering team explained to him in detail why it was a ridiculous notion..but the man famously knows everything about everything. And then he practically walks away from the business for years.

    So the notion this is just something that's being discussed on this forum is not just fanciful it's against reality.

    It's even more likely given how Elon goes on that he probably had an argument with their suppliers and that was enough for him to **** out the deals that they had with them. It's historically how he's operated.

    , edit . Actually there's a trial going on right now with lots of interesting mentality coming out from the correspondence with open AI. Doesn't like details, makes decisions off the cuff , gets himself into corners with deals .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Yet what he has done has been remarkably successful.

    Don't like him myself, and I'm sure hes a nightmare to work with or for, but nobody's talking about any other vehicle manufacturer and their FSD offering. Maybe that's all coming down the line 🤷‍♂️

    Maybe Tesla will pivot to Lidar-based self driving but the horse is already running, while the others stand around and discuss service plans and poor radio performance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The others are outselling them across the globe. I'm not sure your aware of what's happening in the auto industry but it's gone pear shaped for anything in the west and the east have pulled a Japan.

    The lols about service plans and radios 🤷‍♂️ my next car will be whatever I fancy at that time . Couldn't care less on defending a brand in fact I find it very fckn weird that people would remotely celebrate paying subscriptions on their cars. Like jayssuuuss..



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