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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    No life is too short to be accused of attacking you when I didn't given the nature of your previous posts, anyway not getting into it because it's a waste of time enjoy the sun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,076 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It sure is, I found out within a day 😅

    Only 2 happy days owning a boat. The day you buy it and then the day you sell it 😂 😂 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,076 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And back to Tesla, there are lots of videos online about FSD in the Netherlands. That is because all HW4 cars have already got a free 1 month trial of it if they want it. I'd day there will be thousands of subscribers before the year is out.

    From what I have seen, the FSD cars are better and safer drivers than at least 90% of humans and that is saying something as the average Dutch motorist is a highly competent driver, on a par with Germans. I have no illusion that there will be edge cases that humans can handle better. But there won't be many and the system will keep improving…

    Have a look at some of the crazy traffic vids with gazillions of pedestrians and bikes getting in the way of the car. They can by law not be responsible for accidents even if they do illegal stuff (unless you can prove that what they did was so bizarre that an accident could not be prevented - but this is almost impossible). And a lot of people behave accordingly

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,076 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That's very impressive.

    As a matter, how many HW3 cars with FSD already bought exist in Ireland? Tiny number I'd say. Tesla CPO sales intercepted most of them I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,076 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah likely a tiny number. For Model S / X probably not even 10

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭jlang


    I don't see Tesla actually upgrading any old HW3 cars (and not just because Elon has said they will do it - making it unlikely to happen!). A significant number of rational owners have already been or will eventually be persuadable by a decent discount on a new car that carries the FSD that actually works from the old one onto it. As the numbers left get small and their cars get even older, the discount could get really big and still be worth it to save Tesla the hassle. Of course, some will be too rich (and/or stubborn enough to see it through to the end) or too poor (can't afford or don't want a new Tesla anyway) to go for a trade-in. The company will put it off as long as they can but at some point the class action suit or negotiation will lead to a payoff or outright car replacement to close out the final hold-outs - rather than designing and implementing a hardware upgrade.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I know the usual cohort will say this doesn’t trigger them, but Que the bombardment of posts…..

    Borrowed from FB.

    @ELM327
    If we crowd fund you, will you take on the role of registering one please 😀

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭eagerv


    At least it's aptly parked in a Disabled parking spot..🙂



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Perfect knob parking in not one but two disabled spots.

    I'd love to buy one, but whatever hope I'd have at getting a used one registered it is impossible to purchase and register a new one. As that one has no plates I'm assuming it's never been titled.

    I have a saved search in Autotempest for used cybertrucks and am watching the prices over time. Salvage titles are now in the mid 50's in the US so still ~80k euro here. Too rich for my taste! To make it even somewhat affordable for me they would need to drop probably to the 30's stateside and I could start considering it.

    The F150 lightning is a great example, it was high 30's this time last year and now they are mid 20's, a similar drop for the CT and perhaps next year it becomes more viable. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ireland is one of the best countries in the EU to register it. We don't have an IVA requirement to register.

    (As an aside, it's interesting to see how the other EV pickups are plummeting in price too)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    Rumors from local advocacy groups in Aus suggest Tesla is waiting for a specific production milestone at its Texas plant (best guesses seem to be 250,000 units/year) before introducing the they consider retooling for a RHD.

    Again, going by the rumour mill, its been suggested that Tesla may have already tested a mirrored dashboard software and hardware setup. Mechgancially its not a huge challeng as the steer-by-wire system only requires moving the yoke and pedals without re-engineering the mechanical rack

    Also this year its notable that Tesla has started selling the CT in South Korea & the middle east. While these are LHD markets still, the move is seen as significant because it signals that Tesla has moved past the North America Only phase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I would literally give my left ball to be able to buy the proper (not a stupid fake EU crappy one) cybertruck here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    What's the local advocacy group , and why is there advocacy groups for car manufacturers ?

    Never getting past the meme's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    I follow a few different threads in Aus.

    The most significant "advocate" is actually within Tesla itself. Thom Drew is Teslas Country Director for Tesla Aus & NZ (ridiculously long title) and has been the public face of the campaign to bring the truck to the region.

    Then tehres the Tesla Owners Club of Australia (TOCA) who are obviously pushing the cause.

    The (Australian) Electric Vehicle Council - have been negotiating standards with regulatory bodies for steer-by-wire technology and pedestrian safety. Both seen as crucial design issues facing the CT.

    Australian Electric Vehicle Association (AEVA) has been helping push the need for a work business case for the CT. They have been vocal about the need for an affordable high towing capacity EV to replace diesel Hiluxes and Rangers.

    ….But shure, keep up the quips about memes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    Yeah would differently be interesting. Thats why Ive been following whats going on in Aus. There is definite demand in their market it and there are no tariff barriers. But the biggest hurdle they always face is volume to make the business case, hence why it needs support from other regional RHD markets like Japan and India



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That's not a quip. Your talking about a country sales director ginning up locals to push for more sales.

    That's hilarious,.if it was VW doing this and calling it advocacy you'd laugh yourself.

    Scratch that, if it was apple or Samsung you'd laugh. And you should laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    The 'meme' phase was 2023. In 2026 the Aus market looks very different. The HiLux EV is finally hitting showrooms and the diesel dual-cab is under massive pressure from emissions standards. But the EV HiLux is a very low spec performer and is primarily designed to meet the on site fleet needs of mining companies that dont do high mileages.

    People are "advocating" because Aus has a $20 billion hole where EV work pickups should be. Whether it's the CT, a Rivian, or a BYD, the goal is getting high-towing EVs into the hands of tradies who are tired of high diesel prices.

    The CT just happens to be the one currently forcing the conversation on heavy-duty EV standards in the RHD market.

    Tesla Aus boss is on the record for making the business case. As Ive posted before, this is significant if the CT is to ever be sold in UK/EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    First to force the conversation?

    MG

    LDV

    Toyota

    KGM

    And various other phevs already operate in the market there. There no force changing the conversation. And your playing fast and loose with the term heavy duty pickup here with highly questionable off road capabilities.

    The point is he's forcing nothing other than trying to get sales in there. And your calling it advocacy. Which it isnt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    take a day off listermint will you, you dont have to try to disprove everything people say in here, advocating is the act of publicly supporting, motivation is irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Precisely. It gets fierce tiresome when you drift off into Father Stone mode LM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    You're spot on that Thom Drew wants sales - hes a Tesla director, not a monk.

    In Aus, the standard towing for a pickup is 3.5 tonnes. So when I say heavy duty pickup (or ute as the Aussies call them), I mean the ability to tow & carry 4.5+ tonnes.

    No one said "offroad" (or "first" for that matter) so you can stop with your hyperbole.

    The only "regular" sized factory pickup in Aus that can do this is the Ford Ranger Super Duty (only released this month and a truly sweet bit of kit). Or else you have to go to a full size to a Dodge Ram 1500 or Chevy Silveraddo 1500. But these are all ICE pickups.

    Toyota and MG aren't pushing the Aus gov to legalise steer-by-wire or 48V systems because their current EV offering in Aus doesnt use this tech.

    Tesla is 'forcing the conversation' because they cant sell the CT there without a regulatory overhaul. If they succeed, it paves the way for every other high-tech EV pickup. Whether you like the CT or not, someone has to do the boring legwork of updated safety and tech certification with the Dept. of Infrastructure to sell these cars in Aus. As I said before, Ive been following this over the last couple of years.

    Ssanyong had to rename to KGM to help boost sales. Making good progress but are minor players, even more so in the EV space.

    LDV - seriously? Pure budget crap.

    Anyhow, once again responding to your agenda-ridden nonsense, as opposed to having a robust discussion, is derailing the thread and clearly boring everyone else. Respond as you might but I wont discussing further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There's no robust discussion here. Your copying and pasting stuff from twitter. Like advocacy groups are doing X and y when it's a sales director.

    Your claiming Australia doesn't have right hand drive pick up EVs. Which they do.

    Your claiming there's a lack of conversation around this space and somehow Australia is going the lead the charge here so this vehicle will therefore come to ireland

    And then you claim there's no robust discussion with me yet the first call to action from the poster above you and then you is to call me names and vilify .

    Robust discussion involves rebuttal of the points I made. Not attacking the poster.

    Ridiculous stuff. If you want to act the Mick then act the Mick but don't claim that I'm not making points. Then call me names like it's secondary school.

    This remains a discussion forum even though various posters seem to forget that or dislike it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    He's not public he's staff.

    Your point is irrelevant and mute.

    And you wouldn't tolerate describing this as such in any other brand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    how does publicly supporting make him the public, you are conflating two different things completely

    i wish something was mute alright!

    I wouldnt tolerate it with any other brand? Tolerate what, trying to get their product available in a market????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Oh Wow.

    Easy to see now how you misunderstood your own words when previously called out and quoted by several other people. Blind spots. Makes sense now.

    I'll come back when this nonsense fizzles out. Setting the Alarm for October.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    How does publically what ?

    He's not acting in the public interest, which doesn't classify him as an advocacy group.

    He's sales marketing as per his private role as a sales director for the company. This isn't really that complicated.

    How two people can claim a Tesla country sales director is a public advocate is beyond me . Do you read your own words ?

    He's not acting in any position of public advocacy at all. Perplexing !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Be specific , if youre going to make a point make it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Look up the definition of advocating on your way down off your high horse . This really isn't complicated.



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