Advertisement
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Are fuel prices pushing you towards an EV?

1568101119

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "Could you not position the box against your house, run the cable in under the footpath and plug it in to the car from there?"

    There are some systems for that. Like this one from Weev where a small slit is cut out of the footpath, so you can run your cable across the footpath in that slit, and a cover goes over it to make it flush with the footpath and prevent a trip hazard.

    https://weev.ie/at-home/no-driveway

    Or I think there are other systems where the outlet you plug into is built into the kerb of the driveway with a small cover over it.

    Ultimately though the same issue remains; it's not necessarily about the pedestal or the means of charging, it's the fact you don't own or have rights to build services through or under communal/shared spaces such as footpaths. The Council or Management Company own those areas and you have to get permission and agreement from them first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The government would argue that somebody living in those apartments will have ample secure bicycle parking and a never delayed bus/train/tram running 24/7 outside their front door so don't need a car at all, EV or ICE. We know the reality is very very different

    Under Eamonn Ryan's tenure as minister we saw greenhouse gas emissions increase nationally and the sales of EVs fall. You could argue it wasn't entirely his fault but he was the reason things like the EV and solar grants were cut



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Under Ryan's tenure as minister, the percentage of cars sold which are BEVs went from just under 5% in 2020 to just under 20% in 2025.

    I don't think I'd call that a fall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Exactly - Eamonn Ryan was far from perfect but as I say at least he attempted to progress the green agenda. I can't think of 1 green initiative I've heard of from Darragh O'Brien since he took office. I'd admit to being casual news reader etc rather than hardcore environmentalist but 1 year in I'm asking "What has he done".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Also, Ryan was the reason solar grants were cut? What cut? He expanded the solar grant scheme.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,979 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The “Greens” were too much associated with tax increases and not enough around innovation, developing new green energy businesses etc.

    there’s “popularity” to be made with the public for the right party to show how they’re generating sustainable employment as well as keeping peoples bills down.
    But if every solution is just “more tax” or huge penalties on ICE cars which essentially the Green Party were about, you’re not going to survive long, no matter how admirable your cause is.

    I’d like to see more investment in sustainable energy - if I knew my tax dollars were being used for this then I wouldn’t object to a modest increase. But as we’ve seen with the National children’s hospital, you can’t trust the government to organise a piss up in a brewery- that cost as quadrupled and you can’t blame Covid and the war in Ukraine for all of that increase- incompetence is at the heart of it.

    I expect to see increases in EV motor tax very soon - I think that’s a given- and likely greater increases in ICE cars motor tax too to ensure there’s still incentive to switch.
    But they need to sort out charging for houses without driveways and apartments - I’d say there’s a fair wave of people waiting to buy EV right now who don’t, because of lack of home charging.
    Maybe exploring discounted public charging for those who can’t install their own charger is the way to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    They havent taken them away. I leave nearby and walk the dogs past them every day.

    They are very commonplace and to be honest they all look grand and tidy and theres no trip hazards.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the council didn't try to argue they were a trip hazard. certainly not that i heard in the case in ranelagh. it was a planning issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    I can't understand how that situation arose. Why aren't there parking spaces assigned to the houses? I've seen newly built estates with that same physical setup - a public footpath between the houses and the parking spaces which are still assigned ( x 2) to the adjoining houses. They are pre-wired for the type of pedestal shown in the article.

    They should be able to submit an amending planning application to fix that situation by assigning at least one space to each unit, before the LA takes the estate in charge..

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    June 2023 they were 50% of new cars sold, that was the peak and the sales largely collapsed from there

    Solar panel grants in 2024 were €1800, EV grants were €3,500. In 2020, before he started his cuts, the Solar was over 3k and the EV grant was 10k. He was asked on the radio if he was worried about the slump in EV sales and the resultant increase in our countries greenhouse gas emissions in 2024 and he said basically that people should be on bicycles



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Just everything being designed and constructed to the minimum requirements, as per usual. Easier to group loads of parking spaces together rather than having individual driveways. Easier to have the footpath width designed to the minimum which can affect available space for pedestal chargers. Easier to only wire up EV chargers to the minimum required number of spaces (and usually batched together) rather than spread them out or provide the ducting and provisions for future connections to all spaces.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there was never a 'grant' of 10k. the grant used to be €5k and you could also claim VRT relief up to €5k. the grant has been dropped to €3.5k and the VRT relief is still available.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/vrt/calculating-vrt/electric-vehicles.aspx

    re the solar - the grant was not 'over' 3k. it was a max of 3k.

    in 2023 they zero-rated the VAT on solar installs, from 13.5%, so for most people, that'd have made up most of the difference. a €6k install would have incurred over €800 in VAT before then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,678 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That assumes that there is at least one space per house. Urban development often has less than one per property



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Would an increase in electricity negate the savings made by getting an ev. Husband is thinking of getting one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    That's absolutely crazy and so typical of planning in this country. Realistically, bar you live in the city centre most families will need one car minimum. Why not assign a parking space, with a charging point, as well as solar panels on the roof to provide electricity back to the grid or reduce the electricity bill in the house in general. You'd have thought running an EV cable from the house wouldn't exactly cost that much.

    I have no issue with only 1 parking space being provided per house, and then communal parking elsewhere if somebody wants/needs two. But provide 1 FFS!

    We completely lack any form of joined up thinking in how we plan. Its so poor and backward.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    My (fairly economical, petrol) Octavia was costing me probably 11c per km in fuel. My electric Kona costs me less than 1.5c per km (based on charging at under 9c per unit) at home at night. So if electricity jumped by 50%, it'd still be a significant saving for me.

    For your husband - depends on his driving patterns. Would be be able to charge it at home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,678 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    At the moment, electricity would have to be over 87c/kWh for it to be more expensive than diesel.

    Even diesel at €1.50/l needs electricity to be over 60c/kWh to beat it on price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Thanks for the reply It’s good to hear you’d still make a saving. No dont have a charger but have the space for one so lucky in thst sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    Maybe some percentage should be offered to people to "buy" exclusive access to, particularly the ones directly outside people's houses.

    The bit in that article about the guy who parked at one of these "public" chargers outside another person's house getting vandalised, shows how crazy the situation is.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Again good to hear.. Its great to have an alternative now. I know the charger would take a few weeks I’ve heard after ordering to be fitted but would get over that part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A certain percentage of a new-build house's typical energy needs has to be provided by renewable energy. Some houses go with gas boilers and solar panels (for the renewable energy), some just go with heat pumps (which can meet the renewable energy requirement on its own). It's rare to have heat pumps and solar panels because that would exceed the minimum, and as I said, everything these days is designed and built to the minimum because it's cheaper.

    I mostly agree with what you're saying, but at the same time, your suggestion would increase the cost of building (even though that money would be saved in the long term by the occupant) which drives house prices even further up, and providing individual parking spaces or driveways also reduces density of houses on a site meaning fewer units are built (eg. an apartment block of 100 apartments, the space required for 100 parking spaces would be huge, even when provided in car park basements).

    Unfortunately the priority for this, previous and likely successive governments, will be on providing as much affordable housing as possible. Those minimum requirements in terms of renewable energy, EV charging spaces etc may increase somewhat (as Ireland still has to meet EU directives and global energy targets), but more of a focus is being directed towards encouraging and helping people to improve the BER and renewables in our existing building stock by way of grants and credits rather than significantly raising the minimum standards in new builds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    Mad, that's almost exactly our 2024 trip. We went to Savonlinna in Finland, so bit further north, and then via Brno, Salzburg, Innsbruck and back. We also did a day trip to Italy from Innsbruk over the nice passes near there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    I get exactly what you mean and yes the reasons you give are exactly why. And yes it would push the price up a bit but over the lifetime of the house its being penny wise and pound foolish.

    Even if the government had to pay a subsidy for the solar panels its still a lifetime investment in cheap renewable energy. Its a glorious opportunity being missed here unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,630 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It is predicted that this year EV's will out sell ICE cars.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Predicted by who? EV's only accounted for 20% of new car registrations in Q1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Are you including PHEVs as ICE or EV ?

    1 sale in 5 is an BEV

    1 sale in 3 can be plugged in

    4 sales in 5 have an engine

    2 sales in 3 cant be plugged in

    Max figure I can see BEV hitting by year end is 30% and I imagine thats wildly optimistic. Possibly more like 25%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I'd be happy with one in four this year and would hope that next year enough new buyers would have been influenced by the current price/insecurity for one in three to buy BEV. If we got to 50% by 2030 it would be positive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,583 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think the numbers and reporting is fudged by lumping everything that has battery together mild hybrid etc.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Why do you think we need so much gas?

    Hint it’s needed a backup for wind and solar

    Here is what 9GW of unreliable Irish wind and solar doing right now and today from Eirgrid on a day with 5GW peak demand coming up about now

    IMG_6790.jpeg


Advertisement
Advertisement