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General Race Thread 2026 **spoilers**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Prioritising speed over durability I'd suspect? I've never really heard why*, presumably weight, that the pro teams use smallest amount of sealant to mount the tyres rather than what we'd use to seal punctures. Doesn't seem to be many of them using inserts either, which can be ride flat. Notwithstanding the sh!tshow over the pedals, MvDP with inserts could've at least carried on riding to the end of the trench!

    *I wouldn't dismiss it's not the mechanics just deciding they don't like either!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


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    That's mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Even if they went back to tried and tested tubs, you could ride one to the end of segment til you could get help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm wondering if the increase in speed is because of one or two men, namely Pog and MvdP?

    They both ride very hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    The big teams are now keeping the pace fairly high from the get-go. More relevantly, attacks (particularly Pogi's) happen from much further out so the racing is full-on for the last 2-3 hours rather than the last 90 minutes. Plus riders are now able to fuel these attacks with hourly carb intake rates that are probably one and a half times what could be achieved even five years ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I reckon Sagan could have kept up and probably the likes of Boonen and Fabu but we will never know because they never had to.

    Riders not in the main contender group last week we're calling the cobbles "getting a rest" because there is no let up on the flat now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Some insane numbers there, and Sagan wasn't hanging around in 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't remember any specific race but I generally remember nothing happening on the early flat or even the first cobbles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Was it GVA's win that was the "slow" one?

    Like you, they are all running into each other for me now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Sagan and that era feels like 20 years ago now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    I think the 1964 record speed was only broken in 2022? Since Hayden and Dillier, I think all teams are going insane from the start to get in the break. Life in Peloton had Durbridge on for a short free one this week - just said it was impossible to get a gap with the pace.

    The race is also opening earlier I'd say - in my head at least Arenberg really kicked things off, where as it's earlier sectors now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,287 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Kelly says this about most races now. There used to be a slow ramping up but not its full gas from the off. I’ve seen others mention that changes in TV coverage have contributed (ie the first few hours of a race weren’t broadcast so there was no point in the peleton doing anything but now they’re live from the flag drop)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    He is just 4 to 5 years older than MVP and Van Aert. It's an awful pity peak Sagan didn't extend into his 30's. Covid killing 2020 calendar and the disease itself seems to have killed him as athlete in 2021 & 2022.

    MVP & VA are both 31 now and probably have a couple of decent peak seasons left in them. Boonen, GVA, Cancellara were still at their peak well into their 30's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think the confusion is I still think the current guys are kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Not to mention that WVA is now moonlighting in "The Pitt"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I loved Sagan. He was in a class of his own at the time really - would have been perfectly suited to the modern peloton. I can remember he was more or less the only guy trying to race the way a lot of the power dogs do now and the rest of the peloton used just try everything to mark/ neutralise him. I'm no master race strategist, but since Pog and Wout and MVdP have come on the scene it seems the rest of the peloton has adapted and its the standard thing now to see teams driving it from way out for their all-round diesel leader. Sagan was just never given enough freedom and didn't have the power/ belief to take on the whole peloton. Never really had a team built around him the way the modern teams are.

    Often fantasise about how he'd have raced the likes of Pog, Wout and MVdP - he may not have had the beating of them but he loved having a go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    You're right. But he seemed worn down by the sport after Tinkoff and had lost that spark he had in his Cannondale and Tinkoff years. The racing was so much different back then it's insane. Even the GTs.

    He kind of paved the way for MVdP in so far as he also enjoyed the gnarly stuff, but the sport/ teams were much more traditional back then compared to the flexibility now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Sagan is the same age as Sam Bennett, more or less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭retalivity




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Sagan was my favourite cyclist for most of his career. He was a class apart in many ways and a tough guy as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Well this would be my view too - he'd probably still be racing if he had the freedom/ schedule of MVdP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It's a funny coincidence of timelines - kind of a distortion of perception… cycling really has gone through some quite noticable shifts since the relatively recent days of Nibali, Bertie, Sagan, Boonen, Spartacus and even our own Nico and Dan Martin. The Covid years kind of warped my sense of the passage of time, but when you look at someone like Bernal and think he's yesterday's man you get a sense of how quickly things shifted. Some, like Wout and MVdP just about arrived at the right time and others like Sagan just peaked a few years too early. I think he'd still be racing hard if he was in the same graduation class of say MVdP. Just the wrong side of the sliding doors moments around that time.

    Edit: it probably speaks to just how tough a sport cycling is that you're either on it 100% or you're out the back door. Little room for coasting along, especially now with the new breed snapping at your heels to get into the big races.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    O'Brien, Mangan & Rafferty in the womens Brabantse Pjil which has about 40k left.

    Sam is in the men's, but probably a UAE vs Gregoire/Schmid finale there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    And just to tie that into the "HOW old / long ago?" theme - currently third on the road in the women's edition is Servais Knaven's daughter Britt. His PR win was a quarter of a century ago.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Thanks everyone, I just realised how much older I am than I thought, you are all truly wonderful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Good bit of talk again on the web from other riders, not necessarily complaining or giving out per se, but pointing out that the crowd of motos around and in front of Pog and the bigger names is contributing to a not-insignificant extent to their speed and progress and catching back on groups etc. Paris-Roubaix and Milan San Remo specifically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What about Seixas? Is he a legit challenger to the big 2?

    He's pretty close in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There is no big 2.

    It's the big 1 and Seixas I doubt is near him yet. Ide rather see him try win a Giro, Vuelta or both this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well when I say big 2 I mean its either one or the other, there's no doubt who 1 and 2 are. Pog won two tours then Vingo won two and Pog won the last two. And in the last five they've been the top two.

    If either of them compete in another tour they'll win it barring injury.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭JMcL


    On that theme, I remember first coming across MvdP and wondering "Is that Adri's young lad?"
    Re Sagan, he did have heart surgery before the olympics, so that may have been something brewing which impacted his performance in the years leading up to it. Covid afters? Who knows, but it's a shame he couldn't have eked a few more years out as he was a massive talent and probably the most entertaining rider in the peloton in the Sly Train snoozefest years.



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