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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Did you read the quote at all ? Or let your swift response blindness dim your thought process. That post was entirely about Robotaxi, that was being tested in Austin.

    There isn't a hope of that passing in the EU.

    FSD well what Tesla are calling fsd (it isn't that) is entirely different ball game.

    At least be accurate with my commentary and please understand the details of what I'm saying.

    Both robotaxi and fsd are more dangerous than any other competitor technology. But they are different things.

    And don't misquote me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    It's Full Self Drive Supervised they are approving for Europe, so a different product to the taxi. Nothing misleading about that imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And @listermint had clearly said not a hope that FSD supervised will be approved in Europe. I quoted his post a few pages back as he started to deny he ever said that.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Why, what will happen if I misquote you? Will you try be condescending again or will you come find me and beat me up ? I had a quick look as you are so keen to rewrite history because you are so butthurt that the thing you said wouldn't and couldn't happen happened, now you are saying you said it was unlikely which wasn't the case.

    And it's supervised FSD has been for some time now seeing as you are so pedantic and all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Exactly he said it a number of times and now isn't honest enough to own it, the internet really brings out the worst in people. I don't really understand why this is such a crusade for him anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Listermint this is the post you quoted in your response that I reposted, you owe me an apology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,045 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It's the hill he has chosen to die on for some reason. Such will be his fate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Either you are incapable of going back and reading the post you quoted when you wrote that or you are trolling now.

    What's with the deleted posts say what you think

    And I'm still waiting for that apology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Not sure if it's been pointed out since but I see Tesla's PCP rate has actually increased since 1st April from 0.99% to 1.99.

    The trade in bonus has also reduced from €3,500 to €2000.

    I think this fuel crisis has given them a swelled head. There will likely be more going electric but given the competition plenty won't be buying a Tesla.

    With that said, I'm looking forward to picking up my new long range Tesla. I put a deposit at end of March and was told even if rates increased or trade bonus changed in April I would still get same rates applied in March.

    Hopefully I don't have to fight them on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That trade-in booster reduction was well flagged. There was talk of it going to 0 actually. You won't have to fight anyone, they were also really clear from the get-go that Q1 (order-based) incentives would be retained all the way up to car delivery, regardless of date. This isn't news or a late twist and is in keeping with their annual process for several years now.

    For 3 months it was the best deal in town. In the 4th month it lowered a little, to the level of their competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Well the Tesla sales staff in swords had told me that they is no guarantee either would change but they simply didn't know so could say until April.

    So for me it was flagged that it could change but not a certainty that it would. Perhaps others were privy to more accurate forecasts on the reduced trade in bonus and higher PCP rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Don't need to squabble just own what you said, I wouldn't give a toss either way except you were so unequivocal about it now you are distancing yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'm not distancing myself. I'm just simply not interested in squabbling.

    I spoke specifically about Austin and robotaxi. It all there plain to see.

    You seem to saying FSD is limited to Austin. This is interesting news. When did this occur, is that your assertion? Is that where we are. Twist my words? Or is Austin the epicenter of their robot taxi rollout. Which is it my man ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Not interested in squabbling ? Since when ? Anyway it's plain to see alright let's leave it at that,no point in engaging when you refuse to in good faith.

    As to your last paragraph I really have no idea what you are on about it where you are getting it from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,045 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Serious amount of Teslas down here in Cork. Way more than if see in Dublin, even around their natural home of South County Dublin. Maybe it's because all the ICE cars are at home minding their fuel and they seem more numerous because of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    No il stop you there. Enough of this good faith stuff.

    Ive said FSD is dangerous. I've said it shouldn't get approval.

    I've said robotaxi will never get approval.

    Both rely on video data on vehicle processing via LLM built into the on vehicle hardware.

    So stop with this good faith stuff. You twisted my word as did Unkel.

    Robot taxi is failing in Austin they're juking the stats, it won't pass any muster in Europe. And the fsd won't evolve into anything in Europe without a complete overhaul in hardware and sensors. You know nothing of the technology involved and don't care to know either.

    Equally you won't apologise when Tesla , if they are still around adopt all the necessary hardware required to bring their bullshit fsd to the appropriate next safety levels.

    So no , not bad faith just tired of the bullshit playing around with my words.

    It's **** technology it's years old, it's in vehicle video processing relying on video data capture to drive you and yours around busy streets safely. Youd be an absolute fool to trust it if you had a modicum of understanding of how it operates.

    Hence it's extremely telling Tesla states the driver is fully responsible in their summarised press release. Because they have zero interest in liability.

    Good faith.. no . You're not doing that at all.

    And yes I'm bored of the squabbling, because no matter how much I try to inform you of how **** their video processing is, you don't and won't care. It's dangerous. And the CEO is the spoofers spoofer. King spoofer.

    Serious companies with real management teams at not doing video processing solely for any self driving functionality. That doesn't raise alarm bells with you? Crazy !

    Wait, no musk and Tesla have the secret sauce, no other company has considered cutting cost and doing video alone before.... Oh.. wait they have. And they found it to be ridiculous dangerous and limiting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭lotusm


    Notice there are now 103 used model 3's for sale on donedeal... at the end of March it was in the 130's... it seems the high cost of fuel is definitely having an impact on buyer behaviour...what do folks think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Right let's start again, you know what you said and what you meant , for some bizarre reason you won't own it which speaks volumes but that's done now.

    Secondly I never said I knew anything about the technology or how it worked, nor did I say it was the answer to unsupervised self driving, so why are you arguing against me ? Or expecting that id apologize when / if Tesla make changes to their technology stack, that's bizarre stuff ?

    Thirdly , it has been supervised self driving for a long time, Tesla never took responsibility/ liability (as they can't yet) this isn't news.

    So stop inventing arguments and then trying to win them, all I said was it looked likely that the Dutch would approve the supervised fsd and you were categoric that they wouldn't , I was interested as to why you were so sure. You were wrong and they did , not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but it seems to have you in a serious funk.

    You know a bit about self driving you seem mad keen to let us all know, good for you, I hope whoever you work for figures it out but calm the fook down .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The quotes right there Cyrus right their above . Is it your assertion that FSD is being trialled in Austin ?

    Simple question please respond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Ive said FSD is dangerous. I've said it shouldn't get approval.

    What you said more than once was that FSD will never get approved, which is way beyond "shouldn't".

    A limited form of it is now approved in one country in Europe, and sure to spread, possibly to the whole EU.

    Whether you believe in Tesla's version of FSD isn't the point here, you chose the hill to die on, the approvals are happening.

    Just own it and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I have said it shouldn't get approval and it did .

    I also said robotaxi in Austin will never get approval.

    Ive owned my own language completely and entirely. It's you and yours that a taking words smashing then together and saying things I never said. Frankly it's childish and it's no way to respond to a debate just so you can try get one up.

    Once again. Cyrus refuses to answer my question, maybe you can. Is FSD limited to Austin ?

    Will you answer ? Will anyone who misquotes someone answer ? What's the point in the English language and literally quoting my words back to me then below it inferring things I didn't say

    What is the point ? Black is white ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I have asserted nothing , if you can point to any post of mine that has the word Austin in it you win. Again creating an argument and trying to win it instead of owning your own stuff , it's bizarre.



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