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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    To not go for it, UEFA would again have to publicly declare their support for a genocidal state.

    You can't even state what would definitely happen, you're just suggesting, same as I am doing. Except I am doing it to stand against Genocide, you're doing it to ignore it.

    The fact that you state fans have not seen high quality in a long time again confirms you have no idea or interest in Irish football.

    Stop. Before the games against Portugal and Hungary, after the losses against Armenia and Portugal, there was talk that Hallgrimsson could be replaced "before" the end of the qualifying campaign.

    And the games against Portugal and Hungary, but they were not particularly evidence of a new quality of football being produced by the team, but rather were completely unexpected.

    Even Hallgrimsson said himself the football was poor in the playoff.

    You are posting stuff in direct contradiction to the CEO of the FAI, the man probably most and best informed in the entire country on the multitude of reasons why the FAI cannot boycott these games.

    One thing I can say with confidence, it is a long time, a lonnnnnnng time since the the FAI have had anyone in their executive team who demonstrated any sort of insight or capability that would give anyone any sort of confidence in what they might say on what is a very moral topic aside from the finances that obviously do exist for any event. Maybe Courell is or will be that guy, but he hasn't proven that he is yet.

    Who do you think is better motivated in the long term interest of Irish Football? The Dave Courell, or Brian Kerr? Because Kerr thinks the games shouldn't go ahead.

    And stop posting UEFA TV deal figures like the whole thing would be jeopardized because Ireland refused to play the state now occupying part of Lebanon while simultaneously continuing to oppress the Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    It doesn't matter what you think of Dave Courell. He, along with the rest of the FAI board have the responsibility of the FAI, its employees and Irish football in general to consider, Brian Kerr does not. He can go on TV and make all his virtue signalling statements to make himself look good to the general public but he doesn't have to worry about the consequences of the real life decisions the FAI board have to make.

    The FAI board have to make decisions for the good of the game here. That's their number ONE priority.

    Belittling them is a cheap point scoring exercise says everything about you. You dont get your own way so you resort to name calling just because you dont like decisions other people make.

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    Listen Adolf, I never said the FAI boycotting the games would jeopardise the entire TV rights deal. But the FAI would be jeopardise their share should they boycott games. Your grasp of the English language is astonishingly bad.

    And finally, football is a results driven business. Results and performances have improved. Thats what happens. If you were any sort of sports fan you would understand that but again your being found out

    To not go for it, UEFA would again have to publicly declare their support for a genocidal state.

    Nobody is going to go for it (Ireland v celtic) because its not feasible. What part of that can you not understand. And just because UEFA dont go for your dumb idea doesn't mea anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Adolf? Lol. Your true colour's are showing.

    He relied on subservients you know that? Despite the violence and force he ultimately is known for, he needed a widespread practice of not questioning authority, of people taking the narrative that was fed to them and swallowing it unquestionably for him to gain the foothold he needed to enact his hatred.

    The FAI have close to zero credit in the bank to defend them from their historical record influencing how they are still being viewed. Zero.

    Any true sports fan would know that, but yet, here we are, a supposed supporter of Irish football dismissing entirely the view of some of its most well-intentioned people for the sole purpose of defending a murderous regime. Quite the image.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The FAI is not perfect, but they are still the guardians of football in the Republic of Ireland and the people on the board have a difficult task. In the past few years they have done an incredible job to turn things around in incredibly difficult circumstances but you somehow know better with your virtue signalling nonsense from your ivory tower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Virtue signaling blah blah blah, ivory tower yada yada yada.

    It takes an incredible lack of insight or reflection to write the usual spiel of right wing rhetoric while being a fervent defender for Israel. Incredible.

    Ivory tower? Theres no better image for a lad sitting safe in Ireland telling the Palestinians and Lebanonese that these games have to go ahead or Irish football could collapse entirely. As I said, incredible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


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    Except its not me saying it. Its the FAI CEO saying it.

    The welfare of the Palestinians and Lebanese are not the responsibility of the FAI.

    I have not once defended Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not once defended Israel....

    Sure Ted, go with that. If it helps you sleep at night.

    And "every potential of greater ramifications" is just PR waffle to justify taking the morally dignified position.

    Its not a definite, confirmed outcome or posting to evidence to support it, it's just "won't someone think of the children" type nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I sleep very well thanks for asking.

    Everything you have posted has been ripped apart by numerous people on here. You have resorted to character assassination of Dave Courrell and others because they made informed decisions you don't like which speaks volumes of you and your virtue signalling.

    Anyway...

    How's your Celtic game planning going?

    Care to share any of the facts and figures on the revenue it will make?

    Have Celtic agreed to play?

    Have you got it sanctioned by UEFA and the Scottish FA and the FAI?

    Have you sold the TV rights to RTE for €10m as promised?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    The difference between you and me is I'm looking at this from a real world point of view and you are in fantasy land. I can't get you out of this naive fantasy world you're living in. You'll have to do that yourself.

    Could things change between now and when the matches are played? Sure. Celtic replacing Israel? Don't think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Everything you have posted has been ripped apart by numerous people on here.

    You and others sticking to the same narrative you've head since this thread started is ripping nothing apart im afraid.

    All all of you have done is said you disagree. Which we all knew woukd be the case anyway.

    Character Assassination on David Courell

    Give over would you for the love of God. This is embarrassing.

    Anyway...

    How's your Celtic game planning going?

    Care to share any of the facts and figures on the revenue it will make?

    Have Celtic agreed to play?

    Have you got it sanctioned by UEFA and the Scottish FA and the FAI?

    Have you sold the TV rights to RTE for €10m as promised?

    And now we're at the "let's see if Greta comes up with a workable solution WITH EVIDENCE, then maybe I'll listen to her", line of defense. Comical stuff, well it would be if the reality of the situation wasn't so depressing.

    Since i posted here an hour ago, I've seen a report from Lebanon about a woman who lost all 5 of her children to an Israeli bomb. Think about that. You should be embarrassed to be posting as you are not supporting any call to show Israel most of the world is appalled by them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The only absolute reality is Israel's actions, and the extent that people, on here and elsewhere, are going to to allow them continue doing as they have been doing.

    Everything else is just noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So you have nothing to back up your Ireland v celtic fantasy so?

    Funny enough you claimed the FAI wont suffer financial loss, yet you have boasted about coming up with an idea to offset the financial loss (which you now claimed eont actually happen if they boycotted the games) . So which side of your mouth are you talking out of, you hypocrite.

    So you have no answers?

    I never said i was not supporting any call to show israel the rest of the world is appalled by them.

    Thats not the discussion.

    You are just making stuff up now because you don't like other people ripping your bullsh1t nonsense to shreds.

    I just happen to support the FAI decision deciding to fulfil the games v Israel. I dont see what a boycott will do. If the world's political leaders cannot do anything then the FAI cannot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Then feck off to Israel and tell them how bold they are and you are appalled at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    For the love of God, I said I had an idea that could replace the lost income. And I outlined that idea.

    If you need me to show real world evidence of that idea actually being processed with engagement from relevant parties, or else you think you can claim it can be discounted, then it's clear you see the feasibility in it but are resorting to this now so you can still try to discredit it.

    If this was something I could actively process myself, do you think I'd be wasting time talking to you about it on here?

    Its posted out repeatedly the role i a boycott could play, stop pretending you haven't seen those posts repeatedly. You disagree, fine. So what, but stop claiming no one has outlined the premise, the justification, the similar cases etc, just because you're welded to Israel not being boycotted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Your idea is nonsense. Not one other person on this thread has replied saying it was a good idea. Not one. That speaks volumes.

    There is a monumental amount of reasons why it is bullsh1t. Not just from me, but numerous other people have pointed out the many flaws which make it 100% unfeasible and now your just proving you are a hypocrite by trying to wrangle out of it.

    If the FAI wont suffer financial loss of they boycott, why do you need an idea to replace that lost income which you now accept is inevitable if the FAI do boycott the games.

    You wont provide real world evidence on your idea. But you demand real world evidence on Other peoples opinions on why the games have to be fulfilled, such as the CEO of the FAI whose character you have cast negative assertions on, all because he was part of a decision you dont like because it doesn't stack up with your virtue signalling nonsense.

    Now your trying to claim, because you cannot back it up, that I somehow agree with you. You are one warped individual.

    Your idea was nonsense. Time to put on your big boy pants, be a fcuking man and admit you got it wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    The absolute reality is there is nothing Ireland, the Irish people or the FAI can do to prevent Israel's actions. Nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You mean Israel arent terrified by the mighty virtue signalling lads on boards.ie ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well why did you bring Celtic into it? I have no problem with Ireland playing Crltic unless they committed murders. Israel has done plenty of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Paddy joined in 2025 shortly after another Israel fan departed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So have USA, who are Israels biggest ally and Dublin has hosted games of America football full of America pageantry including American military personnel.

    Did you protest against those games taking place too ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    When did the US commit Genocide and were they cited ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    YOu said murders. Not genocide. Read the post i quoted again.

    USA are Israels biggest ally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So you are accusing the US of genocide because they supported and supplied Israel with weapons ? Is that it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Does that Make them complicit then if that's the case that the support and supply Israel?

    Like if people want the GAA to drop Allianz surely the same logic applies to the USA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Does it make the government complicit if a soldier shoots a child in the Curragh? I don't think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Why, for a fraction of a microsecond, would any right thinking person go to Israel, nobody would do so unless they were supporters of their actions?

    Its been explained repeatedly. No one is saying Ireland/FAI can be directly reaponsibke for immediate action. But they can be a step on the path to action.

    IIf You still cant understand that, i dont know what to tell you.

    Again with virtue signalling term like it's a slur to think of advocating for anyone. How bitter one must be to think only of their own interests.

    And Israel most definitely cares about their football team if it were banned from international competitions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    It's been explained to you multiple times how Ireland refusing to play will only hurt Irish football and will change nothing. That the idea of replacing the games with matches against Celtic are a non-runner and a stupid idea. I don't have the patience or the crayons to dumb it down any further for you. I give up. You win. I'll leave you in your fantasy world.



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