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Fuel protest about prices

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,825 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Well that is clearly a figment of your imagination. So good for you.

    The reality is, there is nothing the guards or the army can do about it. If they could, it would be done already.

    We have seen this from multiple other protests around Europe.

    So we can all sit here and scream shoot them with fire.

    Or the Government can come back from holidays and deal with the crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 388 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    No, the suggestion is to cap the tax. So that if the fuel price goes up the tax doesn't rise with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,825 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Farmers and truckers are in negotiations with the government through their representative associations

    And if there reps don't secure what they want, what do you think will happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Poland and Spain reduced the vat temporarily for 6 months from 23% to 8%>



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭rayman10


    Motorists have already had a nice customs duty and vat cut.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭rayman10


    Pretty much everybody I know has had enough of the inconvenience and is blaming the small numbers scattered at a small number of strategic locations around parts of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,825 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Pretty much everybody I know

    That could be one person or less though.

    Just saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭ISOP


    Is it time for anti protests to start? be some criac then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    IMG_0446.jpeg

    imagine being one of these protestors:

    > “I’m proud to be blocking pregnant women, cancer patients and nurses from getting to hospitals!! 🇮🇪 #patriot”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,424 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Are you referring to my post ? I am not driving myself my husband is driving me there ? I never said I was at the wheel ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    The effective tax cut on petrol/diesel is between 15% & 22% respectively.

    The effective tax cut for the hospitality sector is 33%.

    As I said , it's all about choices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭BettyS


    The protestors just want to make society shi*e for everybody. Miserable in their own lives, they want to inflict pain on everybody around them. I cannot abide patients missing healthcare because the eternal malcontents have found something new to rail about. I am pissed off because my friend is struggling to visit his elderly parent in hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,563 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The protests end 1 of 4 ways

    1. They fizzle out quickly - seems unlikely

    2. Government caves. Government produces an excise and vat cut to bring fuel under €2 per litre. This is i think is about 20% probability, as it sets the precedent that blackmailing the government will win political achievements

    3. Government waits out the protesters. Government sits on its hands and lets a crisis materialise. Some ambulances do not run, people suffer and die unnecessarily because they couldn't get timely medical care. Water supplies break down. Widespread boil notices and a possible public health emergency. Public order problems sees protestor machines damaged. Protestors back down. Government offers no concessions. Unlikely, but its the status quo solution which requires no action.

    4. Law enforcement break up protests at strategic locations and pursue other troublemakers through a long legal process. Owners of machinery will find themselves fined and some will see their businesses ruined. This is the Dublin riots response and is the most likely. This will, if its going to happen, happen by lunchtime tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,653 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Just saying, in the same way you were just saying earlier today there was nobody involved of note with racist or far right affiliations.

    Your track record of just saying or just asking hasn't been great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭rayman10


    You said tax cuts for restaurants "or" motorists.

    Now you agree we can have both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Preventing key emergency services from operating is terrorism in my world. If my family member died, due to a delay, in the context of a time-sensitive illness, I would hold those protesters directly responsible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    I said choices. Who do the government wish to look after?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭rayman10


    Better off sticking to ports and rural motorways if that's the plan.

    No point dealing with O'Connell street its not that strategic and will only draw in the loons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭rayman10


    They've already looked after motorists and are still going to look after hospitality AFAIK.

    No need for choices.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    This government is so incompetent that it can't run the country when we're drowning in surplus. Imagine what they'd be like in a recession.

    Oh hang on, I remember now... They'd look after the Banks and screw ordinary people over.

    Then idiots would vote them in again.

    They must have some laugh at the simpletons who vote for them.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I would seize any vehicles used in the blockage, as they are a weapon to terrorise society and impound them asap. This is not a peaceful protest when innocent patients are suffering as a consequence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭BestWestern


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    Today's New Yorker magazine cartoon.

    It's just the Irish struggling with fuel prices. I kinda wish our American cousins would block their highway networks, as the only long term solution to this is Trump's actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,653 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    The Americans are having hissy fits about it as they've traditionally had stupidly relatively low prices, their cartoon is apt for us too alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,791 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Today was the second time I've seen a tractor deliberately swerve towards a car trying to get around a blockade, pure reckless behaviour.

    On the M3 on Tuesday a car tried to go up the hard shoulder and a tractor swerved into it, tonight on the M7 inbound, a car went up a white line area where an on ramp merged near rathcoole and same thing again. Tonight's was immediately followed by a truck then moving into that space to stop anybody trying the same.

    I am absolutely apalled that this behaviour is not being absolutely hammered down on.

    Also these people in the pic below all getting the beeps from the convoy on the M3. So what's this all about again?

    I can see this turning nasty very soon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Watching traffic movement on the M50 looks like they might be trying to block northbound red cow towards junction 7.

    The lack of action being taken against them really is shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,563 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I expect that if the guards move to break up the protests, heavy machinery will be seized as evidence. As I've mentioned, these machines are almost all on credit and they need to be worked in order to meet the enormous repayments. Seizure of machines will be ruinous for the individuals businesses.

    The State has many levers at its disposal to bend the individual to its will. It plays the long game too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭purifol0


    It's almost like people aren't happy with the government on more than one issue.

    If that means you have to close the thread and move to the CA one than so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Its at times like these i ask myself what happened to the gangs of youths that like setting fire to stuff?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,474 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    While I'm sympathetic to the cost of living and the impact of the cost of fuel, holding your fellow citizens hostage is not a behavior that should be rewarded. What is the expectation with blocking commuter traffic? Seems like a good approach to garner animosity and resentment. A reasonable cause paired with an idiotic strategy.



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